Mini 1072 - Battle of Alcatraz

[Nikanor]

Spy, since you're online already, I have a couple of questions for you.

Ohh, I love when liars lie for no reason.

a) Since when are you a supporter of Lynch All Liars?
b) Why did you not promote setup discussion?

[Copper]

CoolDog, what about the other point? About knowing Exe's alignment? You seem to be turning a blind eye to it.

Nikanor, I think that seems like the most reasonable suggestion yet.

[CooLDoG]

@spy, *sigh* read the goddamn mod posts...
@Copper, I never bought the case on Exe and he acted town to me, I was not for his lynch simply because I had a town read on him. TBM said the same thing too (ask him the same thing).
@Nkanor, I agree with what you posted and it seems to be in-line with what the mod posted (for those of us that actually read his posts).

[SpyreX]

a) Since when are you a supporter of Lynch All Liars?
b) Why did you not promote setup discussion?

1.) I lynch liars

if there's no reason for the lie

. Because, normally, no reason or a poor reason is for killin.
2.) Because, while the discussion isn't bad, there's not really a whole lot to discuss?

Which leads me to:

@spy, *sigh* read the goddamn mod posts...

Ya know, I did just that.

And, since it spells out that at the start everyone is jail kept going OHH SNAP CULT and then going BUT THE MOD SAIDDDDD when he absolutely didn't, well.

And, I was GOING to see if you'd reference the fact YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF THERE WAS A CULT AND WAS IN FACT TOLD NO BUT ALAS.

Unvote, Vote: Cooldog

[TheButtonmen]

@PeopleontheCoolwagon:

Explain to me the differences between his actions and Nik's.

Vote: McGriddle

My issues with him from D1 are furthered by the flip.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP:

Err I realised I should probably be more clear in what I mean as you people don't all think like TheButtonmen (my condolences).

Cool speculated on cult.

Nik speculated on cult.

Niks was better laid out and thought through, this however does not change the fact that the root action was the same.

Also I'd like everyone to go back and read McGriddles #264 as it really really bothers me.

[SpyreX]

CoolDog asked if there was a cult D1. The mod said, pretty clearly, no.

Then, came out today with OMG cult and when asked about it told me to check the mod's posts.

[TheButtonmen]

I just went back and checked.

That did not happen.

Clearly we are reading something diffrently, quote the relevant exchange?

[SpyreX]

@ Fate, do the "unlocked" prisoners become scum?

Freed prisoners do not change alignment. However once all the prisoners are freed they no longer count as being "alive" per the win conditions of this game.

[CooLDoG]

But what do the un-locked prisoners do? Do they just sit there? Do the help scum? Because if they in some way help the scum I consider that to be a cult game. Sorry guys but your points don't add up.... Give me a case and I will answer to it.

[SpyreX]

You can't be this obtuse.

1.) The mafia in this game are attempting to break out of prison. The rumors going around are that they will do this by breaking out enough prisoners to start a riot. Prisoners will be told when they are freed but not by whom. When all the prisoners are freed the riot will start and the Battle of Alcatraz will begin and the jail will fall.

2.) All Prisoners start off the game in the "imprisoned" status. This is a special status that works the same as being jail-kept in other mafia games, such that the player can not be targeted by any abilities. Players may only be freed while in this state.

So, with that its pretty clear there couldn't be a kill N1 because everyone was jailed. AND YOU ASKED IF IT WAS A CULT GAME AND WAS TOLD NO.

So, what does being unlocked do? It frees the jailing. Maybe Billy the Shiv done gets unlocked and can go around and try to stab people now for freedom. Maybe poor Mr Roper gets unlocked and has to just play tiddlywinks until either the scum get lynched or everyone is broken out or the scum decide to kill his face because now he's freedom'd and can be killed.

The one thing it says, over and over and over, is that being unlocked doesn't HELP THE SCUM and the simple fact you were told this and jumped back to OHH SNAP CULT versus anything else makes me :headdesk: all over zombietown.

[TheButtonmen]

@SpyreX:

He's that special kind of bullheaded straight forward kinda obtuse that makes me lean town on him. Also may I direct you at this D1 post from NoPoint

@Cooldog: You are persistently saying Exe's wagon is bad, but you aren't lobbying for any another wagon. This is definitely scum motivated behavior to earn town cred from a mislynch.

[SpyreX]

?

I could get behind that sentiment, unless I'm missing something?

[Nikanor]

I believe the issue TheManWhoButtons has with that statement is that nopoint referred to Exe's lynch as a mislynch.

Hinduragi should get in here and post so that it's easier to lynch him.

[SpyreX]

OHHHHHH

Snap.

Unvote, vote: nop

[Katsuki]

Checking in, will comment tomorrow.

[nopointinactingup]

I believed Exe was a mislynch you dimwits!

[CooLDoG]

@spy, if they don't help scum then why do they un-lock them? The scum would never entertain an action that would gain them nothing or hurt them. Also why the quick vote change? I still think that this game has a recruitment system (lets face it un-locking is the same as recruiting or allowing night actions to be done on them...). That is all I'm trying to say. And am I correct in saying that your whole case hinges on me saying that this is a cult game?

@NOP, I've been trying to tell these people all of d-1 that it was but they wouldn't listen, I still think most of the town thinks he flipped scum...

[SpyreX]

@spy, if they don't help scum then why do they un-lock them? The scum would never entertain an action that would gain them nothing or hurt them. Also why the quick vote change? I still think that this game has a recruitment system (lets face it un-locking is the same as recruiting or allowing night actions to be done on them...). That is all I'm trying to say. And am I correct in saying that your whole case hinges on me saying that this is a cult game?

I swear.

Scum win when

all the prisoners are freed.

However, the act of freeing said prisoners doesn't DO anything to the prisoners.

And, its not that you said its a cult game.

Its that you asked, were told no, and then did the same old song and dance.

AND I SWEAR IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT VOTE CHANGED FFF

[CooLDoG]

And that makes it (in my humble opinion) a cult game, thanks for understanding my point spyrex.

[CooLDoG]

So, just a randomn question, whats the case on me?

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, I have a few minutes to get on, but I'm still V/LA.

Warning:

Seriously condensed thoughts below.

No one killed, hmm... Cult game anyone?

I thought the same thing. I remember the mod being ambiguously unspecific about it.

I'm kind of suspicious about Nikanor. He says he forgot he replaced into this game, but how do we know he wasn't lurking until the hammer so he would not fuck up?

For now,

Vote:Nikanor

This post

is

shifty... but...

Scumdog dies today.

Vote:Cooldog

@McGriddle: Trying to press suspicion on someone who has not even posted? I'm not sure if you are even trying to sound townish. Seriously, just give up and tell us who your buddy(s) are.

...BUT. Mr. One-Two Punch over here pulls a nice one.

0. Ignores flip (????)
1. Player A is scum, k guiz?

Vote: Player A

2. Player B is scum (btw

tell us who ur buds r

kthx)
3. ROPE TIME! (doesn't matter which... iuno lol??)
4. ?????
5. PROFIT!

Second post could have been sarcastic, but "Seriously" != "SRSLY", sooo.. ???

Yeah.

Vote: nopoint

Why think of Cult when there could be conventional roles such as doctors, roleblocker, bulletproof vest? Not to mention why you would even consider NK speculation at this point.

Um.. flavor? And because it makes sense? Plus, how could we roleblock/doc/etc somebody when we're locked in cells?

Cooldog's speculation is valid. Yours however is full of holes.

a whole sh*tload of stuff

Nik's #298 rocks, but my Spidey sense is tingling because it makes so much sense.

Yo yo cooldog

Why did you jump to cult considering you've read the posts versus other far, far more likely outcomes?

What more likely outcomes?

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TBM's #305 about McG's #264, + nopoint's highly erroneous #289, points to a nopoint+McG scumteam. /not-so-tinfoil

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All of SpyreX's #310 can be answered by rule #1, which SpyreX even quoted. Relevant part bolded and underlined.

1.) The mafia in this game are attempting to break out of prison. The rumors going around are that they will do this by breaking out enough prisoners to start a riot. Prisoners will be told when they are freed but not by whom. When

all the prisoners are freed the riot will start

and the Battle of Alcatraz will begin and the jail will fall.

**"Later" edit:

Further SpyreX discombobulation in #318 will be answered by my question to the mod at the end of this post.

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#311-#314 - Excellent. *rubs hands*

And #316 uberfails as a rebuttal.

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Hmmm, skimming is over. Now it's Thoughts Time™...

Thought #1:

I get an elusive and nagging feeling that

'unlocked' != 'scum/cult'

is a scum/cult ploy to get me to not believe it somehow...

Thought #2:

Not seeing the case on cooldog, except for the "aiming for town cred via Exe's flip" angle. Honestly, kind of meh tho; he coulda had a town read.

Thought #3:

Looking back, SpyreX's #278 smacks suspiciously of some kinda post restriction/hammer obligation. Being mentioned in mod flavor = ???

Thought #4:

I am mildly ashamed/embarrassed that I didn't sheep SpyreX & Co. onto nopoint yesterday, esp. now that Exe has flipped townie.

Thought #5:

(still thinking about Thought #1, lol): This game doesn't make sense AT ALL, flavorwise, without there being SOME form of culting mechanic.

Semi- Conclusion:

I am very (90+%) suspicious that this 'unlocking' mechanic, coupled with the lack of kill last night, ON TOP of the mod flavor, means that this

is

some bastard kind of a cult game.

@mod: If this is NOT a cult game, what is the flavor explanation for 'unlocked' prisoners STILL wanting to try to hunt down the Crimson Angels? but ONLY until enough people are unlocked to start a riot, THEN they decide they want to work with the Crimson Angels?

k, not so condensed. But still.

[Fate]

"WHO'S BACK TALKING THE WARDEN'S PLAUSIBLE REALITY? ARE YOU SAYING I DON'T EXIST?"

[/i]

All there is is grey. You either get used to it or hate it. You either survive or you don’t.
Prisoner
Welcome to prison. Alcatraz prison. No one’s ever gotten out and

no one’s ever really wanted to try.

Rumors have been going around about a gang organizing a widescale riot on C-block.

You don’t want any part of it.

Try and root them out during the day when you’re not in lock down.

You win when all threats to your prison life are eliminated and at least one Prisoner survives.

[Fate]

"I CAN RIDE MY BIKE WITH NO HANDLE BARS.

I miss riding my bike with my son, I'm always at this damn prison."

Vote Count

nopointinactingup (2): SpyreX, Reaper
CoolDoG (2): nopointinactingup, Hinduragi
SpyreX (0):
McGriddle (1): TheButtonMen
Hinduragi (1): Nikanor
Katsuki (1): CooLDoG
Muffin (0):
ReaperCharlie (0):
Nikanor (1): McGriddle
Copper (0):
TheButtonmen (0):

Not voting: Muffin, Copper, Katsuki

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline: Sunday November 7th

[SpyreX]

:headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk:

SERIOUSLY GUYS.

Stop looking deeper. No kills because everyone who they'd want to kill was jailed last night. Easy peasy.