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[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote Zach

Fate is right. Also antihero is not probably town. I remember that parama busses often.

[Guderian]

Ok sera, I will indulge you. This looks like a half baked attempt to try and change the topic of conversation, one you dont like.

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Actual Content

Well, you may some serious declatory statements regarding both players being town with no backing whatsoever. The logic follows(God knows if this is "real" logic, but this is my thought process):

Premise A: Town, in order to hunt scum, must read the game.
Premise B: Scum do not need to read the game to find the scum.
Conclusion A: Due to Premises A and B, Town have more of a reason to read the game and ensure they understand it.
Conclusion B: Inversely, scum have less reason to read the game.
Premise C: Scum are more likely to mischaracterize actions in order to achieve mislynches.
Conclusion C: People who mess up their facts, intentionally or not, are more likely to be scum.

Is there a question here? Half of day one was meta arguments. I asked for clarification. You declare me scum for not already knowing this.

Because it should be supremely obvious to anyone reading the game that:
A. Fate was an RVS wagon with no real substance behind it and was creating for the sole purpose of moving the game forward and
B. Parama has yet to seriously call Fate scum.

Fate's wagon was not real. It was a tool, nothing more, nothing less.

ok.

I wouldn't mind it so much if it wasn't the only thing you did. Calls for activity without any actual content to generate discussion are just as useless as the lurkers those posts seek to call out.

And now you're throwing meta into a situation. Don't act like it's a towntell. Let the mod deal with lurkers, we the players will deal with active players with much lynching. If worst comes to worst, we can lynch them. My point is that you're not scumhunting. You're pretending to scumhunt which is always a scumtell.

Looks like an opinion based argument.

How is Chesskid scummy then? Because all I see is a VI acting like a VI, not a VI acting like scum

He posts little, vote hops, and isnt contributing. Sounds scummy to me.

No one is disagreeing with you. But there's no other content to your posts.

ok.

Initially, I thought your name was a failed attempt to spell "guardian", but a quick google search revealed that your name is in fact the name of a German general during World War II.

ok.


Your whole post had about one question. Im unsure why you wanted me to look at that, if not for the reason to try and distract me. If you say i'm not scumhunting your wrong, I've caught you.

And you could hardly say im sheeping if I VOTED and wanted to LYNCH you day one. It looks like you are way to quick to throw out buzzwords instead of a defense.

[bouncy.bouncy]

7 to lynch

Zachrulez (3) Fate Llamarble vezokpiraka
Guderian (2) Seraphim chesskid3
Seraphim (2) Guderian Reckamonic
SnakePlissken (1) Zachrulez

Not voting (4) Antihero evilpacman18 MehPlusRawr SnakePlissken

[Seraphim]

Seraphim, you have made your case and left. hum

We need more votes on this guy.

Your intellect astounds me. The quoted was his initial reason for voting me, after I had made a case on him. He "refuted" the points, I made a counter-rebuttal which he proceeded to ignore quite haughtily.

chesskid,

I have replied to every point against me.

Sera: Voting for almost laughable reasons.

Seems to avoid my response posts altogether. Selective reading?

Oh, the hypocrisy. I love a good strong cup of it in the morning.

Until today, he had no good reason to vote me besides what seems to be a gut reaction

Now for his "case":

Point 1: you ask if I'm concerned when you put down a vote on me based on bullshit.
Guderian: Seraphim, you have made your case and left. hum *votes me* We need more votes on this guy.
Me: lol that's hilarious. You're voting me because I have a life and, you know, need to sleep. It hasn't been 24 hours yet. Why are you voting me?

I was genuinely wondering why the hell you were voting me because in your post in which you voted for me, you gave no reasons besides the fact that I hadn't responded to you yet because I had gone to bed. So, I declare point 1 bullshit.

Point 2:

In my experience with the BaM ruleset and other similar rulesets with quick deadlines, sometimes you are scrambling for a lynch. When we basically get a free lynch, no lynch is not an option. I was not looking for cred on the Parama lynch, I was merely stating that I was willing to vote for him if deadline swung around.

I was not looking for cred. I was looking for a lynch because no lynch on Day 1 is not an option even if you don't believe that the player getting lynched is scum.

Point 3: Buddying is not a scumtell. Prove to me buddying is a scumtell or that scum are more likely to buddy. I have already refuted this.

Ok sera, I will indulge you. This looks like a half baked attempt to try and change the topic of conversation, one you dont like.

This statement is the pinnacle of ignorance, arrogance, and idiocy. My points are you STILL STOOD with no answer to them and you were acting like they weren't even there, like I hadn't made them, and that you were in some sort of right.

You aren't scumhunting. You still aren't scumhunting. You're pretending to, though. You ask questions and forget about them. You vote me and present a steaming pile of bullshit as your reasoning. And then you act like you're some big scum hunter on campus when it's clear you haven't done anything at all.

You are right that you aren't sheeping Fate. Right now you're just riding his wave.

Your hypocrisy ends here. Let's lynch this guy.

[Seraphim]

I seemed to have scared everyone away.

[Seraphim]

Hey, Guderian, I see you on the site. Checking in with your buddies in the quicktopic? Too scared to fight back on your own like a real man or do you need your buddy to make a rebuttal for you?

[Guderian]

Your arguments make little sense, and you seem to think mine do too. The only way to settle this is to lynch you.

[Seraphim]

What arguments? All I see are disconnected buzzwords and a bitter streak towards my vote on you.

[Seraphim]

You should be able to at least answer why you pretended to ignore my counter-rebuttal and act like it doesn't exist regardless of how "little sense" I make.

[Guderian]

What you want me to do is get bogged down in an endless argument of semantics, and derail the town long enough to get a lynch off you and on to someone else. I made my case on you and rebutted all your 'major' points.

How does the town benefit by having clashing wall of text posts? It doesn't.

do you need your buddy to make a rebuttal for you?

who are you talking about?

[Seraphim]

How the fuck was/is your denial of reality "semantics"?

[evilpacman18]

I'm gonna agree with Sera about the Fate sheeping. It's happening quite a bit. Anti, Seraphim, and Fate are obvtown.

vote: Llamarble

wishy-washy voter. Obviously doesn't believe his own cases with how quickly he drops them to get on someone else.

[Llamarble]

@EPM:
I don't see how Sera is obvtown at all.
Fate I'm pretty sure is town, but Anti could have been distancing early on and then trapped into sticking onto the Parama wagon after it gained steam, so while he still gets town points, I don't consider him cleared to the degree Fate is.

It's true I've dropped several of my cases because I never got a strong enough scumread on someone D1 to really push their lynch.
I was pretty convinced EPM was scum, but I found his rebuttal reasonable.
I ended up voting Parama because Fate's "insufficiently indignant" reasoning seemed strong to me and we were fairly close to the deadline.

[bouncy.bouncy]

7 to lynch

Zachrulez (3) Fate Llamarble vezokpiraka
Guderian (2) Seraphim chesskid3
Seraphim (2) Guderian Reckamonic
SnakePlissken (1) Zachrulez
Llamarble (1) evilpacman18

Not voting (3) Antihero MehPlusRawr SnakePlissken

[Guderian]

Llama what do you think of sera?

[Seraphim]

Llama what do you think of sera?

STOP IGNORING THE FUCKING QUESTION AND ANSWER IT.

HOW.
IS.
YOUR.
DENIAL.
OF.
REALITY.
SEMANTICS.

How much bigger does it need to before you answer it? STOP DODGING AND PRAYING TO YOUR BUDDY AND ANSWER IT!

[Antihero]

I will be getting a full post up later, but I think Zach is the busmaster here.

VOTE: Zachrulez

[Guderian]

Seraphim, I reread your counter rebuttal, there is no question there. And your caps rage contains your opinion stated as a fact, not a legitimate point.

1. I ask you again, does clashing wall of text posts that is half opinion based help the town? No. You want them to distract the town.
2. Who is my 'buddy' who you have referred to twice?
3. You scared other people will look into your case and find it faulty?

[Seraphim]

I don't think you fucking understand. There is no question there, I'm asking why you pretended that my counter-rebuttal did not exist.

read the first part of this post. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2641170

You ignored reality. This is a FACT. You ignored the fact that I posted a counter-rebuttal and proceeded to pretend like I hadn't posted anything. WHY?! Stop being a fucking idiot and answer the fucking question.

MORE VOTES ON THIS GUY PLEASE. WATCH HIM DODGE AROUND THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.

Mod: Prod MehPlusRawr please

Prodded

[Guderian]

If your counter rebuttal had no question, what is there to respond to? Ok here you go, I see your counter rebuttal. It is well formatted, and states your opinion. *clap*

By the way, If i post 1+1=2, do I expect anybody to respond to that? Your logic...

I've since built a quite substantial case on you, which I'm sure you are aware of. And the fact you're getting so angry smacks of desperation.

in the vein of ignoring questions:

1. I ask you again, does clashing wall of text posts that is half opinion based help the town? No. You want them to distract the town.
2. Who is my 'buddy' who you have referred to twice?
3. You scared other people will look into your case and find it faulty?

[Antihero]

Oh, wait a second. I forgot about this gem:

two competing wagons are looking like two town going at it.

as for scum vibes number 1

chesskid, would you mind getting in here and posting something useful. All I see is lurking and fluff from you so far.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guderian

[Antihero]

New Rule:

No softclaiming

[chesskid3]

All aboard the Guderian wagon

[Guderian]

Oh, wait a second. I forgot about this gem:

two competing wagons are looking like two town going at it.

as for scum vibes number 1

chesskid, would you mind getting in here and posting something useful. All I see is lurking and fluff from you so far.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guderian

So I was wrong, and that makes me scum? You do realize that the beginning of this game was entirely based off of paramas scum meta? What was that, page two?

I stand by my statement there. I was trying to prevent what looked to be a mislynch. It wasn't, and town benefited. Unless fate also flips scum, in which case that statement will look bad, I see no problem with it.

[chesskid3]

in which case that statement will look bad.

Die scum