Newbie 1027: Trick or Treat! [Game Over]

[KittyMo]

Vote Count

[L-2] parknourie - (Neruz, chkflip)

[L-3] ooBAZZoo - (Thor665)
[L-3] chkflip - (parknourie)
[L-3] Thor665 - (ooBAZZoo)

[2]

Not Voting

- (andrew94, Maniamax)

With

7

alive, it's

4

to lynch!

Deadline is at Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 12:00:00 Noon (San Jose time).

Prods & Replacements

Searching for Mania replacement.

I'm back! Thanks Nikanor. =)

[Nikanor]

ciao.

[KittyMo]

Packbat replaces Maniamax.

[Packbat]

Greetings, all! I've taken the liberty of beginning my catchup read early, but I'm still back around Page 7 - I'll be posting in earnest when I've caught up, but if anyone has any questions, fire away.

(For those of you who like meta, I have a link to my previous game on my Wiki page - it's not complete, but I've been NKed out already.)

[chkflip]

- The BAZZ case seems a bit of a stretch at best, Thor. I'm assuming you made your case on p18, as that's where your seemingly random vote starts and your mentions of it are after. BAZZ did call your case poor, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't expect more from you now as (like you said yourself) a D2 case will always be more solid than a D1 case. Everything after that is simply speculation and back-and-forth questions. Nothing scummy about that, imo.

[andrew94]

how about my day 1 bazz case?

[Neruz]

What you mean the case where you said that Bazz was Gude's scumbuddy? That seems like a reasonable and well-thought out case against Bazz.

[andrew94]

no, where bazz started a 3rd wagon on day 1.

i hope your being sarcastic

[Neruz]

Yes. Yes i was.

[chkflip]

- LOL'd. Neruz beat me to it. Chummy schmuck!

[andrew94]

chkflip

your a retard (just like gud)
make a better explanation other than 'i did it, its not scummy, so what?

[chkflip]

What are you even talking about?

[andrew94]

sigh

READ MY ISO
LOOK AT MY POINTS
ANSWER THEM
DONT SAY 'YEA ITS NOT SCUMMY'

of course, if your scum, you wouldnt do that , just to annoy the heck out of me

[Thor665]

@chkflip and Neruz - you guys say BAZZ is town and park is scummy.
I say park is town and BAZZ is scummy.

Clearly at least one of us in this equation is wrong
You guys also seem to have issues with andrew that i think are off.
What are your guys opinions of Maniamax? I'm currently town on everyone but him and BAZZ, how would you two feel about a Maniamax/Packbat lynch? (this should also help light a fire under him to finish catching up )

[chkflip]

- I don't have any issues with andrew, I just think he acts much younger than his age states. I know it can sometimes take boys longer than girls, but for goodness sake...

- I can't really say that I have an opinion of maniamax... he's just kind of

existed

all game.

- andrew, I feel like

not

doing it just to watch you caps lock some more. And the soft "tell" at the end? Not clever.
-- My next post will have your answers.

[Neruz]

Well Thor, considering you're probably my no.1 choice for Park's scumbuddy, you can guess who i think is the wrong one in the equation

The only issue i have with andrew is his complete inability to type a coherant sentance. Considering he is engaging in social communication via a textual medium, this is somewhat of an important issue.

I've got nothing on Maniamax, i actually had to check the player list to confirm he was even in this game. If something occurs in the future to change my opinion on Park, either him flipping town or something to change my mind, i might turn my attention to Mania, but at the moment he doesn't enter into my equation so unless he does something ovbious i'm comfortable with putting a town label on him for the moment.

[chkflip]

to all of us? does that include park? if gud was at L1 would you hammer? i think the answer is yes, becos i was gonna jump on you/ bazz.
dont use the 'he is more scummy' excuse.i thought gud was more scummy than you day 1 and what happened?

- This is the only part I can imagine I missed. And if it is, seriously? Your life is a joke.

[Thor665]

at the moment he doesn't enter into my equation so unless he does something ovbious i'm comfortable with putting a town label on him for the moment.

Dude, if you are town - that is *terrible* please fix the problem immediately.

I think the park wagon is trying to move forward on a case of 'poor play' not a case of scummy play.

Tell you what, if you can name a partner for park that isn't me (because I'm not likely to support that case) I'm willing to take another look at him.
If I do - I demand that in payment you look at Mania and don't just blindly write him off (as TOWN!) because you don't have an opinion of him. Deal?

[andrew94]

^ he said i might be park's partner i think.

@chkflip, day1 day1 day1 day1 day1.

[Neruz]

at the moment he doesn't enter into my equation so unless he does something ovbious i'm comfortable with putting a town label on him for the moment.

Dude, if you are town - that is *terrible* please fix the problem immediately.

I think the park wagon is trying to move forward on a case of 'poor play' not a case of scummy play.

Tell you what, if you can name a partner for park that isn't me (because I'm not likely to support that case) I'm willing to take another look at him.
If I do - I demand that in payment you look at Mania and don't just blindly write him off (as TOWN!) because you don't have an opinion of him. Deal?

I'm not blindly writing him off as town, i'm just putting a town sticky on him unless i see a good reason to change it. I saw nothing from Mania when i did my first read-through that suggested he was scum, and i havn't seen anything since to suggest it either. If you want to point to some posts and put up a case on him i'll gladly read through it and see if i revise my opinion, but unless i get some evidence that my current view of the game is incorrect i'm fine with leaving a town sticky on Mania for now.

My other serious candidate for park's scumbuddy is andrew; logically my mind says that he's just, well,

andrew

, but my gut keeps saying scum.

I also remain open to the possibility that chkflip might be the scum partner, although i doubt it, he

is

aligning eerily precisely with my views on the game and while i currently believe that he is a townie who happens to see things in a similar light, the possibility that he is park's scumbuddy and is trying to drum up support with me and distance himself from park

does

exist.

[Neruz]

@chkflip, day1 day1 day1 day1 day1.

For the love of god stop being rediculously obtuse and just link the damn post, or quote it, or do something fucking

useful

for once in your pathetic existance you call a life.

[Thor665]

I'm not blindly writing him off as town, i'm just putting a town sticky on him unless i see a good reason to change it.

Are we perhaps being mixed up on semantics? If you called it a 'null' sticky I wouldn't be worried. A town sticky to my mind suggests you have seen actions from him that make you go 'town!' not that you have seen a lack of scum actions. Yes/no? In either case - you don't want a null read going into Day 3 with you or you don't want to have a town read on somebody unless you can point at reasons they are town.

My other serious candidate for park's scumbuddy is andrew; logically my mind says that he's just, well,

andrew

, but my gut keeps saying scum.

You are familiar with andrew's playstyle? If your gut keeps saying "andrew" then why do you have a potential scum read on him? If you can't answer this then he really isn't a valid fallback.

the possibility that [chkflip] is park's scumbuddy and is trying to drum up support with me and distance himself from park

does

exist.

I suppose - but let's be honest that his initial action of Day 1 was leaping on Park too. If he's scum he's not scum with park.

I also don't have a particular case on Mania to show you - my case is one of PoE (process of elimination) I remove possible suspects from various pools and look at what I have left. Not every play makes scumslips, but if enough players make actions that show they are town then the remainder has to be scum. I still would rather prefer a BAZZ lynch today, but with two of you so strongly opposed it's not likely to happen. Meanwhile I am pretty strong against the park lycnh, so what I'm doing is trying to find a player I think is scummy enough to lynch and who can also have multiple players agree upon.

[Thor665]

Something for people to consider moving forward

Guderian - (andrew94, chkflip, Thor665, Huntman800, parknourie)
[L-3] chkflip - (Maniamax, Guderian)
[L-4] parknourie - (Charlie)
[L-4] ooBAZZoo - (Thor665) <---should be reversed

Hmmm, also, going back and looking at this - if I'm serious about my chkflip=town feeling then I really need to reassess andrew and park. There's no way there was zero scum on that Gud lynch methinks. Andrew as the primary pusher of the wagon tends to get a few more town points - which means I really should re-read park and consider my town read there.

[Neruz]

Are we perhaps being mixed up on semantics? If you called it a 'null' sticky I wouldn't be worried. A town sticky to my mind suggests you have seen actions from him that make you go 'town!' not that you have seen a lack of scum actions. Yes/no? In either case - you don't want a null read going into Day 3 with you or you don't want to have a town read on somebody unless you can point at reasons they are town.

Oh, i see what's happened: I tend to put town stickys on null tells because if i don't think someone is scum then logically that means i think they are town, assuming no third parties of course. No, i don't have a town read on Mania, i don't really have any read on Mania or, rather; Mania has done nothing to draw my attention.

Given that Mania has been replaced by Packbat, i remain open to revising my opinion based on what Packbat does next.

You are familiar with andrew's playstyle? If your gut keeps saying "andrew" then why do you have a potential scum read on him? If you can't answer this then he really isn't a valid fallback.

I'm familiar with idiots. andrew's play

seems

to be more idiot driven than scum driven. I'm not sure what you mean by the potential scum read comment though, i'm torn on andrew, which is fairly normal for people who play like he does.

I suppose - but let's be honest that his initial action of Day 1 was leaping on Park too. If he's scum he's not scum with park.

Nah, it's still possible. Unlikely, but possible, i've seen crazier gambits.

I also don't have a particular case on Mania to show you - my case is one of PoE (process of elimination) I remove possible suspects from various pools and look at what I have left. Not every play makes scumslips, but if enough players make actions that show they are town then the remainder has to be scum. I still would rather prefer a BAZZ lynch today, but with two of you so strongly opposed it's not likely to happen. Meanwhile I am pretty strong against the park lycnh, so what I'm doing is trying to find a player I think is scummy enough to lynch and who can also have multiple players agree upon.

This seems like a really bad way to conduct a scumhunt, especially considering there isn't exactly a dearth of tells from most players in the game. I can't precisely put my finger on why this seems like a bad way to scumhunt, so i could be wrong, but something about it just doesn't seem right.

Hmmm, also, going back and looking at this - if I'm serious about my chkflip=town feeling then I really need to reassess andrew and park. There's no way there was zero scum on that Gud lynch methinks. Andrew as the primary pusher of the wagon tends to get a few more town points - which means I really should re-read park and consider my town read there.

I'd say there's a

reasonable

chance that both scum were on the Gude lynch.

[Thor665]

This seems like a really bad way to conduct a scumhunt, especially considering there isn't exactly a dearth of tells from most players in the game. I can't precisely put my finger on why this seems like a bad way to scumhunt, so i could be wrong, but something about it just doesn't seem right.

I really disagree with you about PoE being a bad scumhunting method. Looking for town tells is just the mirror inverse of looking for scumtells. If you figure out your issue feel free to voice it and we can discuss.

I'd say there's a

reasonable

chance that both scum were on the Gude lynch.

Statistically it's more likely that there's only one. Let's focus on finding one before we begin to debate if there's two.