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boberz Mafia Scum
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Lateralus22 Mafia Scum
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Dekes Mafia Scum
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LordChronos Mafia Scum
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In order of posts read:
@ Antius Maximus (Ant to the max) re: post 85, quoted here:
I wasn't calling for his lynch, I was calling for more votes. There is a difference to me. When I say the guy needs rope, I want him dead. If I say I want pressure, I want him at L-2 or somewhere in the vicinity. Gets people talking, imo, and I wanted him talking. Plus Moos was ok with posting content-less posts and being sarcastic when we all had a pile of valid reasons building on him. I am and was hoping this would cause Moos to actually post something decent. It has not, andAnt_to_the_max wrote:
That is not what I meant. I mean I hate the "dude, lynch this guy now" phases.Substrike22 wrote: What don't you like about me calling for an information gathering pressure wagon?
Now, onto Moose.
After I looked at his past games, I don't think he is scum. Look at his past games and you will see this is just who he is.
Note: in post #75 I am quoted for something I didn't say. Mr Wright's name should be there.now I'm calling for Moos to be lynched.Bolded so there isn't confusion this time. (not sarcastic, promise) Also I agree with whoever (Hiraki or Boberz) said that Meta is a bad way to go. People can manipulate their playstyles knowing their meta will be looked at. He said he was scum. He needs to die. If they're going to come out and claim scum, that's extremely anti-town and unhelpful in any way. Moos needs rope.
@ Hiraki, in post 89, when you're citing AntB's stuff at the bottom, how did you generate those post numbers? I tried reading the game with both with him in Iso and with everyone viewable and the post numbers weren't lining up. Just trying to follow your argument.
@ Lateralus, I don't generally share anything other than my scum reads anymore, for a variety of reasons. If I had to summarize my standpoints at this point in a few sentences, I want Moos dead and I'm currently watching a few other players. Lord Chronos is striking me as scummy as well, at this point. He's posted 4 times and if anyone Iso's those 4 posts it looks dangerously like active lurking. I have one player who I fully believe is town, and another one that I believe is beginning to be called on scummy traits, but I'll keep those to myself for now. Mariyta is temporarly absconded from this wrath because I believe he/she has just fallen inactive... i.e. there aren't a few scattered posts here and there making it seem like Mariyta is attempting to avoid a prod. Also, I find myself agreeing with your sentiment on Beefster, given his posts thus far.
@ LordChronos, given the above statement, I'd like to see more reads and posts out of you. Don't do town reads, for the reasons boberz' pointed out with the "shopping list". Just your top 2-3 scum reads and concrete reasons other than "I agree" would be nice. Thank you Same goes with Mariyta when he/she gets on.
For the record: I disagree with everyone saying Hiraki needs to share his town reads. I think he does need to throw his top 2-3 scum reads up, past Moos, and reasons for them.
p-edit: Thank you, LordChronos. A little more would be helpful though, if you can manage something.-
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Beefster Mafia Scum
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Yeah... One game. Not really a valid argument. (not to mention it was a newbie game, and stuff could've changed since then)boberz wrote:
How so? is overattacking a scumtell for me now. In fact you have seen my meta so you know it is not.Beefster wrote:
Fail defense. You make a decent point, yet you kinda missed my point and ended up digging yourself into a hole.boberz wrote:Beefster surely if anything I was overattacking? How can I be overdefensive in attacking someone?
Fail accusation.
You were overdefensive in claiming that you were overattacking rather than overdefending. In that sense you dug your hole deeper. I'm also not liking the way you've reacted to the votes on you. You have something to lose, don't you?
I'm working on getting focus. I'm in theme and bastard games right now, so I'm trying to get back into the serious mafia mood. It's also a bit nervewracking when 2+ pages appear overnight- as an argument between 3 players. (Although I've seen much worse...)boberz wrote:Anyhting else to add beefster, your points have been a little shallow so far. (It neednt have to be about me I just mean in general.)On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
Get to know a meat boy-
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LordChronos Mafia Scum
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Sub: No reason not to list town reads. The idea that they give scum a shopping list of people to night kill is silly. First, your town reads tend to be fairly obvious from your play. Second, the scum are trying to remove town's power roles as well.
Also, I felt that moose was fairly clearly being sarcastic when he made the "I am scum" comment. What gave you the impression that he wasn't?
Beefster:
Saying someone is overdefensive when they clearly are not is not a case. What didn't you like about his reaction to votes on him?I'm a talking computer.-
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Lateralus22 Mafia Scum
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@Sub: No, Hiraki is sharing his past reads. There is absolutely no reason not to because that waspage 1, any "danger" that could possibly arise would be mute because his reasoning is probably outdated. It seems to be a trend now, can we not post empty statements of having reads and not explaining them? Or ya know, you could explain them too if you feel the need to post part of them.
Oh my.Beefster wrote:You were overdefensive in claiming that you were overattacking rather than overdefending. In that sense you dug your hole deeper. I'm also not liking the way you've reacted to the votes on you. You have something to lose, don't you?
Let's look at this example.
Person A: You are scum because your user name is in bold!
Person B: What, my username is in italics, there's nothing wrong with that!
Person A: Die Bold demon from the netherlands!
Now how isboberzpossiblyscumfor beingoverdefensivewhen he wasn't? Your logic has failed, what you're accusing of boberz of doing is not only false and your justification for him being over defensive isn't really so.
More votes on Beefster-scum please.
Preview Edit: Chronos is right, Town reads are tech. Though I'd say keep majority to yourself/not post empty claims of having them unless it's good to put them out.-
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moose200x Mafia Scum
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boberz Mafia Scum
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Is a valid argument anyway. And if you remember correctly I wasnt a newbie in that game. But I am not trying to make a massive meta defence, just accusation is utter bollocks defece.Not really a valid argument. (not to mention it was a newbie game, and stuff could've changed since then)
He was, but why would town (however idiotic) ever make that joke. especially when he is feeling so victimised and such already. That was rather my point. (I know you werent talking to me but I am replying anyway.Also, I felt that moose was fairly clearly being sarcastic when he made the "I am scum" comment.
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@Beefster, why is information "nervewracking"? Seems a strange word to pick.
No town reads for more reasons than the shopping list that is just one. We are looking for scum not town. We influence other people's town reads undermining town working together by majority rather than power. And the shopping list is relevant because PRs will not want to look too town which is a stupid situation town should not be creating. (any more on this take it to MD. But do not post town reads here)
I genuinely dont understand this. I have the game to lose, but so does everyone of every allignment. I am confused. The way I reacted to votes was a dismissive but angry. As always. The thicker the accusation the more I kick off. Hence my fuse getting ever shorter with your senselessness.beefster wrote:You have something to lose, don't you?
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Substrike, why are you calling for moose to be lynched now when you werent earlier. I am fairly certain you have said it but I missed it.
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Is anyone buying this bollocks. How can he have accused me of being over defensive to an attack he made when he attacked me for overdefensiveness before I (alledgedly) overdefended myself to his attack? (I should be on Yes Minister)You were overdefensive in claiming that you were overattacking rather than overdefending.
On a serious note the site needs to lose this 'over-defensiveness' stuff. There is no such thing.-
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moose200x Mafia Scum
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Lateralus22 Mafia Scum
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Yuck.Mod wrote:Mariyta is not due for a prod (even by request) until tomorrow morning.
Btw. this confirms Lateralus scum or Substrike scum. /animepunLateralus22 wrote:What??? If you believe in that why would you vote for some random person instead? Why would you vote in all when in our last game you were so adamant against doing so early on?
First off, I explained it quite clearly in the post. Call it it an FoS if you want. I was not ready to vote either of the two suspects, therefore, I voted randomly.
First off, thank you for proving my point about Meta, since I was too lazy to care about it.Lateralus22 wrote:Stupid theory is stupid. YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER. Oddly enough here's a game where moose cracked as scum under pressure. Not the greatest reactions by town, but you know what I mean. Late vote feels weird though. Why exactly now instead of earlier, was it just the spur of the moment. Did you feel boberz pressure you into this?
Second off, I just posted my opinions. I don't like pressure. Not my fault. I didn't start the fire. Of course, if I wanted to get rid of it I could, but then I'd be scummy, no? (lolonlyscumcareaboutbeinscummy)
Third, no. It was mostly the last quote that drove me into voting Moose.
Only on Tuesdays!Lateralus22 wrote:Post #51: Yeah, qft. Hiraki should explain his early town reads.
So this confirms Lateralus22scum and Substrike-town. /animepunpt2Lateralus22 wrote:Post #89 (Hiraki): Wha???? No. Tell us what town reads you got from the early pages or die.
You have to change your tactics someday that you realize they don't work as efficiently anymore. Besides, surprise is the ultimate weapon.Lateralus22 wrote:Post #89 (Hiraki): Really confused why Hiraki has a RVS fetish. This never occurred last game when I literally ripped RVS's throat out early on. You even told me then you then you didn't like moving your vote around and considered it anti town! Why is that behavior not present here?
...Yes you did.MrWright wrote:I did not confirm Moose200x as town. I also didn't use meta to form my townread on him. I merely stated that the 'change' post should not be interpreted as a scumtell coming from someone like Moose200x.
Same quote with the bold.MrWright wrote:Actually, I'm pretty sure he's town from the way he's been posting.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Where did I do this?boberz wrote:I was called on a contradiction, there was no contradiction I never said the bit in bold, that was hiraki adding stuff into my quote in bold. Why he did this I dont know.
LeDekes wrote:Picked up prod, just got home, 3 a.m., got snowed in, post tomorrow. Good night everyone.
Soupir
Way to BW. Not like it's bad, but y'know.LordChronos wrote:I think probably the two scummiest players are moose and Beefster. moose mainly for his "excuse the fact that I am scummy" confirm post, Beefster for his response to boberz answer to Beefster's vote.
Sigh.
Those are his posts numbers for Moose's ISO. It's in order and stuff. >___>Substrike22 wrote:@ Hiraki, in post 89, when you're citing AntB's stuff at the bottom, how did you generate those post numbers? I tried reading the game with both with him in Iso and with everyone viewable and the post numbers weren't lining up. Just trying to follow your argument.
Oh. Hmm. Well, AntB I've already covered. I'm not too convinced on the Beefster case, but I'll have to read it up more, it doesn't look that convincing, to be quite honest. Fuck it. I'll do this in a different post, I'm just getting these off the top of my head now.Substrike22 wrote:For the record: I disagree with everyone saying Hiraki needs to share his town reads. I think he does need to throw his top 2-3 scum reads up, past Moos, and reasons for them.
FFS. FINE. TUESDAY ISN'T HERE YET. BUT IT'S GONEEEEEE WITH THE WINNDDDDDDD TO THURSDAY.Lateralus22 wrote:@Sub: No, Hiraki is sharing his past reads. There is absolutely no reason not to because that was page 1, any "danger" that could possibly arise would be mute because his reasoning is probably outdated. It seems to be a trend now, can we not post empty statements of having reads and not explaining them? Or ya know, you could explain them too if you feel the need to post part of them.
Note that these reads are old, and became outdated after my analysis on AntB.AntB wrote:VOTE: Mr Wright
Just what are you insinuating?
MrWright, at this point, just voted him. Ireallycan't see Scum making such an odd move. So he gets Town Points.
Scum don't do this either. That would create a BW on Page 1. The only one at this point that I haven't got a read on, due to only posting an RVS Vote is Mr. Wright.Ant_to_the_max wrote:VOTE: AntB
http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4571132
You have the wrong one Mr. Wright! He is clearly impersonating me!
(and sadly, with that, I must be off to work :/ be back in 9ish hours)
Yes, I'm aware these are weak Town reads, however, back then they were better than nothing.
So take that peeps that thought I would actually lie about Town Reads. You lose all cookies.
Boberz's post is interesting. I'll need to read it a bit more, per se.
P.E.
Lateralus: He already said it. (b")b-
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boberz Mafia Scum
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Nobody can hide, and if you think I tunnelled you are so mistaken. Have you actually read the thread?moose200x wrote:Boberz- I am not mad your tunneling me becuase i feel like a victim. I am mad because you are allowing scum to bandwagon and hide on an easy mislynch. Scum will just say "lol he acted scummy lol" and that's that. You are letting scum off easy by tunneling me.
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moose200x Mafia Scum
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boberz wrote:
Nobody can hide, and if you think I tunnelled you are so mistaken. Have you actually read the thread?moose200x wrote:Boberz- I am not mad your tunneling me becuase i feel like a victim. I am mad because you are allowing scum to bandwagon and hide on an easy mislynch. Scum will just say "lol he acted scummy lol" and that's that. You are letting scum off easy by tunneling me.
In other news... why are you still talking about yourself?
Narcissist complex. I will re-read the thread here in a bit, but so far Nothing! Has caught my eye realy. Like I said I don't really make anything of the hirka case cept for pressure and substrike seems scummy to me and boberz seems to be trying to look pro-town instead of being protown. Those might just be hidden OMGUS thoughts tho.-
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Elaborate. Is this a serious point? I can't tell.Hiraki wrote:Btw. this confirms Lateralus scum or Substrike scum. /animepun
Voting for a random person instead of someone you have suspicions on = More effective play?Hiraki wrote:You have to change your tactics someday that you realize they don't work as efficiently anymore. Besides, surprise is the ultimate weapon.
Prove what? That scum don't crack under pressure? Cuz yeah know… the link…Hiraki wrote:First off, thank you for proving my point about Meta, since I was too lazy to care about it.
Why are you getting so sarcastic and nasty with your replies to me? This didn't happen before, does your personality change on a game-to-game basis?Hiraki wrote:Second off, I just posted my opinions. I don't like pressure. Not my fault. I didn't start the fire. Of course, if I wanted to get rid of it I could, but then I'd be scummy, no? (lolonlyscumcareaboutbeinscummy)-
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Hiraki's still scum, too tired to explain.
Your iso post 3 and 4.hiraki(if only it had been like this wrote:where did I do this bolding stuff inside boberz' quote ocmpletely confusing people so they wrongly think boberz is contradicting himself..
You are also clearly no reading as I said this earlier
---boberz wrote:Hiraki, please dont bold in my quotes, it is impossible to answer them in kind.
Work with this for a sec. Explain why trying to look protown is scummy.boberz seems to be trying to look pro-town instead of being protown.
The fact you dont understand how trying to look protown is necessary for protown players explains why you always get wagonned.-
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AntB Mafia Scum
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[quote="AntB"A simple "this is how I play" would have been adequate, instead he takes an over-defensive stance using all caps and using offensive language, this shows further crumbling under pressure IMO and shows me either this player is scum or a liability which could potentially work in the scums favour; either that or we have a clever Jester.
He has made no attempt to scumhunt and as others have said, seems to be focused on self-preservation. A defence would be nice instead of what I can only call random BS.[/quote]
the ISO read after that was to reinforce the BS claim if anything.
@Hiraki
Actually MrWright voted for Ant_to_the_Max...Hiraki wrote:MrWright, at this point, just voted him. I really can't see Scum making such an odd move. So he gets Town Points.-
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@MrWright
the ISO read after that was to reinforce the BS claim if anything.AntB wrote:A simple "this is how I play" would have been adequate, instead he takes an over-defensive stance using all caps and using offensive language, this shows further crumbling under pressure IMO and shows me either this player is scum or a liability which could potentially work in the scums favour; either that or we have a clever Jester.
He has made no attempt to scumhunt and as others have said, seems to be focused on self-preservation. A defence would be nice instead of what I can only call random BS.
@Hiraki
Actually MrWright voted for Ant_to_the_Max...[/quote]Hiraki wrote:MrWright, at this point, just voted him. I really can't see Scum making such an odd move. So he gets Town Points.-
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FFS. I put /animepun for a reason. You have a Ryuk Avatar, he has L.Lateralus wrote:Elaborate. Is this a serious point? I can't tell.
LAUGH DAMNIT.
More effective RVS.Lateralus wrote:Voting for a random person instead of someone you have suspicions on = More effective play?
I don't believe I was that nasty. I did increase the sarcasm in that post though a little, I won't lie.Lateralus wrote:Why are you getting so sarcastic and nasty with your replies to me? This didn't happen before, does your personality change on a game-to-game basis?
Boberz, I have absolutely no clue what you're saying. I might be getting a bit tired, but honestly, what I just saw you write makes no sense to me.
@AntB: Touche. I did not even realize that. You and your Ant usernames screwin' up my town reads.-
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boberz Mafia Scum
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reread it, it say what it was meant to say I missed one close bracket admittedly, and forgot to accredit the final quote to moose but apart from that the stuff at you is still at you.Boberz, I have absolutely no clue what you're saying.
Ie you caused massive confusion by bolding your own words in my posts. I asked you not to do it. You then claim no knowledge of having done it, and apparently have no knowledge of my response to it. So I concluded that you had not been reading.-
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I can completely believe you do normally bold inside quotes, but I am suggesting you should never do it. Because it causes confusion such like it did in this game, even after you had stopped doing it. But tbh I dont really care any more, it is not in any way scummy. I am nearly done my essay then I can go to bed. I cant wait.-
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I understand what you mean. Let's just call this a moot issue due to semantics. I just felt like saying those phrasesSubstrike22 wrote: I wasn't calling for his lynch, I was calling for more votes. There is a difference to me. When I say the guy needs rope, I want him dead. If I say I want pressure, I want him at L-2 or somewhere in the vicinity. Gets people talking, imo, and I wanted him talking. Plus Moos was ok with posting content-less posts and being sarcastic when we all had a pile of valid reasons building on him. I am and was hoping this would cause Moos to actually post something decent. It has not, andnow I'm calling for Moos to be lynched.Bolded so there isn't confusion this time. (not sarcastic, promise) Also I agree with whoever (Hiraki or Boberz) said that Meta is a bad way to go. People can manipulate their playstyles knowing their meta will be looked at. He said he was scum. He needs to die. If they're going to come out and claim scum, that's extremely anti-town and unhelpful in any way. Moos needs rope.irritateme.
So the town doesn't tunnel from the get go, or things don't get stale. And as other's mentioned, METAreasoning is not the most solid, but for me, it is enough to let him live now, but keep him were I can see him.Mr Wright wrote: Boberz, can you explain why we would need a 'distraction'? What's wrong with discussing Moose200x's behaviour? I agree his play is terrible, but we're getting a lot of nice responses from the other players about it. Like your own post 78. Why do you suddenly make a 180 turn? Do you consider sarcastic claims a scumtell?
ANNNNDD yes, the joke claim makes me squirm in my seat too. I'm unsure how to treat that. (AClockworkMelon, if you are reading this, I want you to know you have really messed with my mind...hats off to you >_> *claps*)
Ooorrrrrr we could flush them out by watching your wagon.....just saying....moose200x wrote:Boberz- I am not mad your tunneling me becuase i feel like a victim. I am mad because you are allowing scum to bandwagon and hide on an easy mislynch. Scum will just say "lol he acted scummy lol" and that's that. You are letting scum off easy by tunneling me.
be mad after the game, not during.
And thank you Hiraki. I just wanted to know your thought process behind things.
Overall thoughts right now; Beefster is looking bad. Moose is in a "handle with care" area. Everyone else I am still working out, but thankfully some are leaning towards town.Apologies for falling off the face of the earth.
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I disagree with this. I used to be a fan of the shopping lists, but I've seen what damage they can do in a few of my games, and I also view them as a bit of a scum tell depending on how they're presented. Agree to disagree? I'd be willing to concede to the Ryuk and ask Hiraki to share some of his reasoning for the D1 declaration of town reads, mainly due to the fact that I'd imagine that Hiraki's reads have shifted in some way by now.LordChronos wrote:Sub: No reason not to list town reads. The idea that they give scum a shopping list of people to night kill is silly. First, your town reads tend to be fairly obvious from your play. Second, the scum are trying to remove town's power roles as well.
Also, I felt that moose was fairly clearly being sarcastic when he made the "I am scum" comment. What gave you the impression that he wasn't?...
Can you elaborate on "Town reads are tech"? Rest of post quoted as reasoning for agreeing with the push for Hiraki's information.Lateralus22 wrote:@Sub: No, Hiraki is sharing his past reads. There is absolutely no reason not to because that waspage 1, any "danger" that could possibly arise would be mute because his reasoning is probably outdated. It seems to be a trend now, can we not post empty statements of having reads and not explaining them? Or ya know, you could explain them too if you feel the need to post part of them.
Preview Edit: Chronos is right, Town reads are tech. Though I'd say keep majority to yourself/not post empty claims of having them unless it's good to put them out.
Both. If I had to choose, severely anti-town. But, your OMGUS accusations aimed at Boberz and I are scummy at worst, a bad idea at best.moose200x wrote:So substrike- Just to clarify right now. Do you think I am scum or do you think I am just anti-town?
@ Boberz's, re post 109: (couldn't quote your block correctly for some reason):
1. I agree with your sentiment about the moose claiming scum thing
2. I'm calling for his lynch now, because before I just wanted pressure. Now he's in lynch territory. In terms of what turned me, I wasn't 100% sure with that first /confirm post. He's assumed an extremely poor position since then and it's time to get some rope.
@ Hiraki, I lol'd at the Death Note reference. I think this is made even funnier by the fact that we both have 22 at the end of our names, thus making my usual method of scanning for posts aimed at me rather confusing.
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