Mini 1080 -- txtMafia -- Game OVER

[The Fonz]

Tasky, Vi/AV requires the scum to have a GF and the town to have only two power roles. That seems unbalanced to me.

[Tasky]

2 goon, GF
vs.
cop, JK, 7 VT

doesn't seem that unbalanced.
with few town PR's, JK > Doc, as he can prevent kills in 2 ways.
consider scum got lucky N1.

[chamber]

That setup is horribly balanced in scum favor, pretty sure AV is town at this point, but I wasn't going to say anything if it kept me alive threw the day.

[Tasky]

with no GF and vig, we have:

3 goons vs. cop, JK, vig, 6 VT
town too strong

and if exactly 1 of {TF, AV, Vi} is scum, then it's very likely TF

[chamber]

They have an RB at least given AV's claim of being blocked.

[AurorusVox]

Yeah Tasky, you're assuming that scum have no PRs of their own. They're not exactly going to reveal their roles.

[AurorusVox]

Tasky, why TF over Vi?

[The Fonz]

JK is not better than doc when there's a cop, you're changing facts to fit your opinion rather than the other way round.

[Tasky]

because Vi <=> AV scum
so if only one of {Vi, AV, TF} are scum, then likely it is TF.
this is why I think Vi/AV is a likelier scenario.

[Tasky]

I don't agree: the doc is only better if the cop is outed. until that point a JK reduces scum's NK's with double efficiency, cause he can protect or block scum.

[Tasky]

the only reason why a doc is stronger is because of "follow the cop". but a cop has no reason to out himself, if he doesn't know whether there is a doc.

[The Fonz]

No, because a JK who unwittingly protects a cop still blocks him. Also, with a JK-prevented kill, you don't know if the target was the scum who tried to kill, or the town target.

[Tasky]

therefore a doc is much stronger than a JK in an open setup, or when there are a lot of town-PR's. in a closed setup with just one other PR, a JK is stronger.

[Tasky]

the small chance he unwittingly blocks the cop is more than made up by the double protecting probability
and don't forget the higher versatility of the JK

[RayFrost]

Tasky, you are still assuming that town has

two

PRs vs a minimum (from what I can tell) of a RB and a hypo-GF

[RayFrost]

A hypo-GF decreases the use of the cop, and a JK has less information value through his targets - a doc protect without a vig is superior, information wise.

[RayFrost]

Although you are correct in tat the JK increases his probability to block scum, the JK also increases his probability to have a negative impact

[RayFrost]

via the chance of blocking a town PR and decreases the probability of finding scum via his targets

[RayFrost]

The increased chance of preventing a kill is less than the information garnered from a straight kill blocking role.

[RayFrost]

Because of this, the likelihood of AV being scum is low.

[Herodotus]

TF's hypothesis that RF is a m-RB is appealing, and I'm regretting my D2 townread on RF. But I want to reread before deciding.

[Herodotus]

@mod: I'll be busy for most of this week through Saturday.

... apologies to anyone who wanted to wrap up D3 soon.

[RayFrost]

So... "RF wasn't lynched after he got into gear because he's really a RB being protected! The evidence is in the wagons! [wagon from one day shows vote switch]"

[RayFrost]

Yup, nothing to do with how I stepped it up and tried to be useful.

[RayFrost]

I find the argument basis that the AH wagon was based on BS as a means to show that I'm scum to be poor.