Mini 1068: Prozacs Basic Theme 2: OVER

[q21]

I'm V/LA until Jan 3.

Sorry to disappear at such a crucial time in the game. If the player/mod feel I need to be replaced, so be it but I would like to play this game out.

[xRECKONERx]

Don't worry q, we aren't lynching you anyway as far as I'm concerned. Plus, with the way this game is going, it'll be a year till the next night anyway.

Bub is my #1 pick for SK right now. Unsure if we have another scum or not.

[xRECKONERx]

To elaborate: something has bothered me about Bub's play this game so far, and it's the fact that he seemed very...non-commital. I can't recall him taking a very strong stance on anything this game. He'd be my #1 pick for SK. Q21 is the only person I'm 100% sure is town, other than myself.

[xRECKONERx]

3:1:1... hmm...

Lynch SK, mafia hits townie, 2:1 endgame.
Lynch scum, SK hits townie, 2:1 endgame.

Lynch townie, one townie + SK/mafia die overnight, game over tomorrow (1:1).
Lynch townie, SK/mafia crosskill, town wins.
Lynch townie, two townies die overnight, weird draw endgame between SK/mafia.

No lynch, one townie + SK/mafia die overnight, 2:1 endgame.
No lynch, two townies die overnight, prisoner's dilemma (right?),
No lynch, mafia/SK crosskill, town wins.



If this is just 4:1...

Lynch SK, game over.

Lynch townie, SK kills townie, 2:1 endgame.

No lynch, SK kills townie, 3:1 the next day, MYLO.


Hmm. If this was 2:1:9, we proceed normally. If this was 3:1:8, we should seriously consider no lynching since that way has the least amount of options where we get fucked in endgame.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Fucking hell, there's a SK. I hope to GOD Flameaxe was the last scum.

Why is there an SK?

[Jahudo]

Psychologist / Psychiatrist is the common name for a role that can turn a SK into a VT by targeting them at night. I don't see any signs that Rhinox had cleared someone as not-SK.

Bub might be SK, but he isn't mafia. I'm not sure anyone is actually, except maybe Berry.

[Jahudo]

Oh, and I wouldn't mind massclaiming today even though it doesn't look like lylo.

[Blackberry]

A) We are not no lynching. See point C.

B)

"Usurper - While still aligned with the mafia, his additional goal is to get the Godfather killed. If the mafia wins with the Godfather still living, then the Usurper loses."

Flameaxe's role indicates there is a remaining mafia, GODFATHER. It also indicates he wanted to KILL the Godfather - Flamey had an opportunity to kill me and didn't for whatever reason. If I was his partner, this would A) Make him look clear and B) Fulfil his goal of killing the Godfather. This highly suggests that I am not the remaining mafia.

C) The chances that one or both Godfather and SK are immune are highly likely. Although we've only had a double kill on one night. So I'm still uncertain if we have both or what is going on with that. Psychiatrist could just be a throw-in role, but I doubt it. The SK could have also been cured, that's a possibility to consider.

D) I couldn't tell if Flamey was hinting at Reckoner being Godfather. q21 and Flamey both looked like they were bussing (what Flamey would do to GF).

I consider Jahudo unintelligent for saying that if there is a mafia left he think it is me (see Point B for why I am not mafia).

Bub I thought was scum for Day 1.

Mafia/Scum have done a good job at keeping "scummy" people in the game.

...

Also, why the hell would someone kill Rhinox and not q21 or Jahudo?

E) I just realized, maybe the lack of kills is due to the SK & Godfather constantly targetting one another. In which case, they might know who eachother are.

...

This is the point in the game where I put my thinknig cap on and actually participate because it's much easier to analyze with just four people left to choose from.

[Blackberry]

Actually, hell yes let's massclaim. We have a mason left. XD Let's see where the cookies fall.

[Blackberry]

You're clearly scum if you think q21 is scum.

I'm glad my entire post gets ignored except this bit. I'm glad you're so useful in making baseless claims through the entire game.

I HAVE MY REASONS FOR VOTING RECK, DO WITH IT AS YOU MUST.

Reck is going to hate life after I'm lynched. Seriously. You're a complete idiot.

That's nice, we find out Reck is wagon hopping on wagons he's not even sold on. Your posts after your wagon jump really don't scream "sold" in any way.

Lynch me, and realize how scummy Reck truly is from my flip.

Comments like these make me think it was a hint that Reck is godfather...

[Jahudo]

So that's what an usurper is. Forget what I said before

[Jahudo]

OK, so Berry has a point about how he couldn't be GF.

I think this is Flame hinting that Reck is the GF:

Reck is going to hate life after I'm lynched. Seriously. You're a complete idiot.

Lynch me, and realize how scummy Reck truly is from my flip.

I think he wrote this at L-1, when he probably knew he was about to lose. It makes sense he'd try to get some vengeance on why he lost, instead of try to continue helping him through misdirection.

Plus there is a lack of evidence that Flame was trying to get Bub or q21 lynched. He suspected q21 only in relation to reck, who he voted for most of the game. His tunneling also makes sense now that he flipped usurper.

Except this one comment is odd:

Hello Reck's obv partner!

But I think it can be explained by how q21 was siding with reck. And Flame said it more as a side-comment, just because it was laid out perfectly to someone who suspected reck. So it was probably just a show and not a real implication or Flame trying to mislynch.

I'm less sure who could be SK, so Reck is my top suspect right now for GF. Assume my vote would be on him if it wasn't so early in the day with 3 to lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

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I'm town, I'm down for a massclaim, and I didn't catch the usurper thing, so we're definitely in 3:1:1 right now.

That limits our options SEVERELY and punishes us for choosing wrong (as in, we choose wrong and we're pretty much guaranteed a loss tomorrow). But sure. Let's massclaim.

I vote Bub starts, since Berry already claimed.

[Blackberry]

I'm not sure what to think of the fact that both Reck and Jahudo, who seem reasonably smart.... that neither of them bothered to look up with an Usurper is... Did you not care? Did you already have an (incorrect?) idea? Did you overlook it?

Reck - Flamey said you'd be screwed when he flipped, when he flipped Mafia Usurper, you didn't bother looking it up to see if he could have made any actions or w/e that could screw you?

[Jahudo]

No I just dropped the ball. I forgot to look it up during night, just being happy about getting scum, then I started the day thinking about the Psychologist.

[Blackberry]

I'm fine with Bub & Reckoner claiming first (in any order).

Then q21.

Then Jahudo.

Is my preferred order.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I was shotty's mason partner, however, I did not know shotty's alignment. The only power I had was to night-talk with him.

[Blackberry]

I was shotty's mason partner, however, I did not know shotty's alignment. The only power I had was to night-talk with him.

What are your opinions of the game?

Or do we all just claim first?

Recky next please .

Although, I'd rather catch SK and not the Godfather.... but eh.

[Jahudo]

Hmm, has there ever been an SK in a masonry? I guess its theoretically possible but when I think of scum in a masonry I think of mafia. Maybe it could happen.

@Bub: Did you or shotty say anything that hasn't been talked about in thread?

E) I just realized, maybe the lack of kills is due to the SK & Godfather constantly targetting one another. In which case, they might know who eachother are.

I was just wondering why you might think both roles have bulletproof, but then I came up with a few ideas that make sense.
GF should have full bulletproof otherwise Usurper could use faction kill on GF. SK probably has 1-shot or full bulletproof to balance out the extra difficulty he gets from a psych. Is that what you thought also?

[xRECKONERx]

I was shotty's mason partner, however, I did not know shotty's alignment. The only power I had was to night-talk with him.

HOLY SHIT WHAT.
THIS DESTROYS MY ENTIRE TOWN READ ON Q21

*headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT HOW WAS I THIS WRONG

[xRECKONERx]

Oh yeah, I'm Taylor Gibbons, Vanilla Townie.

[Jahudo]

Something made you think q21 was mason buddy with shotty? And confirmed mason buddy?

q21's turn to claim.

[Porochaz]

You found a piece of the triforce. BA DAH DAH DAAAAAH!

[Jahudo]

Oh yeah? Well I can't wait to bomb some dodongos!

[xRECKONERx]

I'll find the exact post later. Something he said about seeming to know for a fact that I wasn't DMSIS's mason buddy made me think he was softclaiming that HE was the masonbuddy, hence my adamant stance on him not getting lynched yesterday.