Mini 1096 - Seinfeld Mafia (Game Over)

[MagnaofIllusion]

A quick public service announcement -

Hi, my name is Katsuki and I am scum avoiding the thread. Seriously, I'm actively posting in other games but am sitting on my 'getting on a plane' excuse here.

I'll have more to say about the game tonight ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

Oh yeah, add Untrod to that list above.

[Kdub]

TIMMY: What are you doing?
GEORGE: What?
TIMMY: Did...did you just double-dip that chip?
GEORGE: Excuse me?
TIMMY: You double-dipped the chip!
GEORGE: Double-dipped? What are you talking about?
TIMMY: You dipped the chip. You took a bite. And you dipped again.
GEORGE: So?
TIMMY: That's like putting your whole mouth right in the dip! From now on, when you take a chip, just take one dip and end it!
GEORGE: Well, I'm sorry, Timmy, but I don't dip that way.
TIMMY: Oh, you don't, huh?
GEORGE: No. You dip the way you want to dip, I'll dip the way I want to dip.
TIMMY: Give me the chip!

Vote Count

charter (1) - LynchMePls
rajrhcpfreak (6) - Talitha, Haschel Cedricson, MagnaofIllusion, Kmd4390, Untrod Tripod, bv310
LynchMePls (1) - The Fonz
Katsuki (0) -
The Fonz (0) -
MagnaofIllusion (4) - Katsuki, MacavityLock, charter, rajrhcpfreak
bv310 (0) -
Haschel Cedricson (0) -
Talitha (0) -
Untrod Tripod (0) -
Kmd4390 (0) -
MacavityLock (0) -
Not Voting (0) -

12 votes available, 7 votes needed to lynch.

[charter]

Then your own vote, which you describe as a 'blind leap of faith' in other words, sheeping on Mac.

I gave actual reasons for voting Magna in 83.

Then LMP, having unvoted to go to UT, jumps back on the wagon WITH THE SPECIFIC DECLARED INTENT TO FORCE A CLAIM. So yeah, are you still sure no-one voted on that basis?

No, I didn't remember this.

This is pretty much a blatant lie. What part of 'Looks lie he's trying to force a claim for its own sake' do you not understand? Here's a question for ya, which alignment wagons because they want to lynch scum, and which one wants to force as many claims as possible?

You didn't give reasons why you vote LMP over Raj. I saw you give reasons to vote LMP and reasons to vote Raj, but I get the impression you're willing to hop ship on to Raj as soon as a lynch becomes "acceptable".

Why is LMP a better lynch than Rajr?

Because the Raj wagon is horrible. All the scummy people are voting him. UT voted him for no reason. It's an extremely poor scum fueled wagon.

Actually, same question to Charter. You said LMP was a better wagon than Raj. Why? His play has been very similar to yours.

Because of all the bad/scummy votes on Raj, I think he's town. Therefore, LMP (who I'm unsure of alignment) would be a better lynch.

LMP has jumped up in scumminess in response to Fonz's questions, with his only explanation being "I'm town". Then there is how he got his panties in a bunch when I said he was a better lynch than Raj.

[charter]

BV also voted Raj for no reason.

[charter]

Kmd and Magna, what do you think of BV and UT's votes for Raj?

[The Fonz]

Funny, because I'm pretty sure most of the scummy people were on Magna. Your 'reasons' were things that happened after you'd already voted, for the most part, hence the initial vote was a sheep which you justified retroactively (also, I actually commented on your stated reasons, so... yeah).

[charter]

Yeah, the initial vote was following Mac, but then I gave my own reasons once we got past page two and something had happened. I saw your comments on my reasons, I think you're wrong for the reasons you think I'm wrong. I don't think anything is going to come of us butting heads.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yeah, the initial vote was following Mac, but then I gave my own reasons once we got past page two and something had happened.

Yeah, so you didn't look for what-ever poor stretches of logic you could muster to justify Sheep voting a rhetoric push.

[charter]

Kmd and Magna, what do you think of BV and UT's votes for Raj?

[Katsuki]

Aha I forgot about this game...

Not sure what to think anymore. Fine with either MOI, LMP or rajr lynch.

If anything I think LMP is just dancing around doing nothing.

Unvote, Vote: LMP

[Kdub]

MacavityLock has been prodded.

[Untrod Tripod]

Not sure what to think anymore. Fine with either MOI, LMP or

rajr lynch

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Katsuki, if you're fine with a rajr lynch, then DROP THE FUCKING HAMMER. If you think that lynch is a good plan, then make it happen. Do it. By saying you like the lynch when he's at L-1 and then NOT dropping the hammer, you're trying to say he's a decent lynch but not actually participate. You know, kind of like if he was your scum buddy and you want to bus him without actually hammering.

I see no convincing reason why LMP is a better lynch than raj. All we are going to do is bat around "information" that's really nothing more than personal opinion on playstyle until the day ends. It's D1 guys. Unless we have a daycop or want to massclaim, we're not going to have a super well-informed lynch. Better at this point to get some info and stop letting scum feed us misinformation (like that some players are "extremely town" or "extremely scum").

[Katsuki]

Oh he is L1.

I'll drop the hammer later today. Want to fit a few more comments in before if possible.

[rajrhcpfreak]

or maybe remove some votes of an innocent dude.

[MagnaofIllusion]

BV also voted Raj for no reason.

Is this an argument where you are trying to say that someone else is scummy for doing what most all of the people who wagonned me, but they are somehow not scummy?

Really? Because that is either stupid Town tunnelling on your part or scumtastic.

Magna, what do you think of BV and UT's votes for Raj?

Both are pretty bad votes. Almost as bad as the votes on me were.

Bv – In his ISO 4 he says he thinks the reasoning is thin and you specifically are a better lynch yet votes in ISO 5 simply because Rajr is at L-2.

Untrod – His vote at ISO 11 is only accompanied by the words ‘I’m Sold’, which is apparently in response to posts around that time but is far from clear. The only mention of rajr in his ISO before that was in a quote of KMD.

They both are in my likely scum pool with Rajr, yourself, Maclock, and Katsuki.

Now it is your turn

– Fonz has pretty succinctly pointed out how the majority of the votes on me are terrible. Please comment on those players not yourself making votes for me (Kats and Maclock in particular).

Finally, I’ll take that you didn’t chose to respond to my comment at 233 as tacit agreement with my assertion.

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Oh he is L1.

Really? You managed to miss the Mod post not 10 posts above yours that clearly showed Rajr at L-1?

You aren’t paying attention and have done zero-scum-hunting.

Have you no response at all other than the ‘oops I forgot this thread’ to my accusation that you were dodging the thread?

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or maybe remove some votes of an innocent dude.

Is this a pointless AtE or are you talking about someone else?

Along those lines

212 is the worst response to the direct question of who is scum I can recall seeing in a long time. You list everyone on your wagon and rank them. You say 2-3 is the number of scum in that group. Yet you will not single anyone out.

Commit to actual reads. If you are Town you should have no reason not to. Who, specifically, are the 2-3 scum in that group and WHY?

Furthermore why should Tally be the hypothetical Vig target if she isn’t at the top of your ranked scum?

[Kmd4390]

Ok, it's 3 AM, but I did say it would be a late night when I got around to this.

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Charter, any reasons for your assertions that Magna/BV/Me is scum and rajkdslgal;gjka is town?

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Mac, dunno. Can't recall a time I've seen it used.

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I agree with Talitha on Bv-Rajjdhgafdkgka. The hesitance to vote, followed by a vote and unvote could definitely be a scumbuddy-tell.

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Magna, maybe it's not an "ongoing game" issue. There are other possilities, which I have also experienced. For example, I have a list of players with specific tells that apply to only those players and are extremely reliable (off the top of my head Empking, SensFan, and Charter), but I'd never share them because then they'd become aware of those tells. I don't know what it is. I'm not Mac. Either way, it looks like town in that frustrating situation.

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Rajjdkasllfadsljfk, I've played a total of ONE GAME with you. I'm not some sort of Rajfdsjklf;jadsReadingExpert. My read on you is that you are scum. I don't know your meta. I know how you played one game before this. I'm judging you on this game. You are scummy in this game.

I like the new-improved peanutman

Really? He got a Town Role PM now? Interesting change.

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Charter, won't really know without a flip.

Rajkdafjadsf flips scum:
-Untrod still could go either way. Town who liked the case and sheeped or scum bussing. Hard to tell because Untrod doesn't seem like much of a sheep, but the Magna lynch was just as alive as the Rajdsjfhsadj one at the time. I'd probably lean towards town.
-Bv is obvscumbuddy. I had no idea he suspected him until his post that said he can't grasp the case which he says seems "thin", yet he can go for the wagon, but won't vote because he thinks it's L-1.

Rajjkadsfdklsf flips town:
-Untrod can be town who liked the case and sheeped or scum who wanted to push Rajdkl;sfdsfadfs instead of Magna. Town is more likely, but Untrodscum might mean I need to rethink Magna in this case.
-Bv is probably just town who was just feeling like a lazy sheep for some reason, but didn't want to rush.

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Kat, where are you and your hammer?

[Katsuki]

K I'm sleeping and never got around to posting, BLEH.

and MOI, yes, I was most definately scum-avoiding this thread.
Did you honestly expect to get a meaningful answer out of that useless question (and fake pressuring)?

Unvote, Vote: RAJR

[MagnaofIllusion]

and MOI, yes, I was most definately scum-avoiding this thread.
Did you honestly expect to get a meaningful answer out of that useless question (and fake pressuring)?

Unvote, Vote: RAJR

I thought you might try to provide an explanation as to how you 'mystically' forgot this game. You know, since you are uber-active all over the site.

Do you not bookmark the games you are in?

But instead of responding with reasons you play the sarcastic, useless fool.

Congrats.

[Katsuki]

No I do not bookmark games I'm in.
What is bookmarking anyways?

I'm also highly regretting my rajr hammer right here, MOI was the correct lynch for today.

[Talitha]

Relieved the day appears to be over. I've been busy and only have time for skimming atm. Back on board soon.

Talitha wrote:I like the new-improved peanutman
Really? He got a Town Role PM now? Interesting change.

Eh? Why so interesting? My previous suspicion was primarily due to low activity, and yes indeed my read has gone from lurker-scummy to townish.

I agree with Talitha on Bv-Rajjdhgafdkgka. The hesitance to vote, followed by a vote and unvote could definitely be a scumbuddy-tell.

I don't recall saying anything like this. Doesn't mean i didn't, but I don't remember.

why should Tally be the hypothetical Vig target

I'm biased obviously, but there's no reason I should be a vig target.

[MacavityLock]

I've let this game get away from me. I apologize. I'm going to wrap my head around it.

As for the Magna-meta thing, yes, there was something in his first 3 posts that tipped me. In addition, I did feel that his reaction to getting voted was not particularly pro-town: I felt like rather than defending himself, he was using whatever he could including misrep-ing to

explain

the votes on him, which doesn't feel very pro-town to me. However, meta-wise there's been something his most recent 3 posts that has kind of tipped me the other way. Yes, I'm keeping this intentionally vague. Anyway, if after flips I decide to continue to go after Magna, there will be an articulated case behind it.

[The Fonz]

MacLock, how can he defend himself if you don't say why you're voting him?

[Kdub]

Vote Count

charter (1) - LynchMePls
rajrhcpfreak (7) - Talitha, Haschel Cedricson, MagnaofIllusion, Kmd4390, Untrod Tripod, bv310, Katsuki
LynchMePls (1) - The Fonz
Katsuki (0) -
The Fonz (0) -
MagnaofIllusion (3) - MacavityLock, charter, rajrhcpfreak
bv310 (0) -
Haschel Cedricson (0) -
Talitha (0) -
Untrod Tripod (0) -
Kmd4390 (0) -
MacavityLock (0) -
Not Voting (0) -

rajrhcpfreak has been lynched! He was

Uncle Leo

(Vanilla Townie)

.

Jerry, hello!

It is now Day 2.

Vote Count

charter (0) -
LynchMePls (0) -
Katsuki (0) -
The Fonz (0) -
MagnaofIllusion (0) -
bv310 (0) -
Haschel Cedricson (0) -
Talitha (0) -
Untrod Tripod (0) -
Kmd4390 (0) -
MacavityLock (0) -
Not Voting (11) - charter, LynchMePls, Katsuki, The Fonz, MagnaofIllusion, bv310, Haschel Cedricson, Talitha, Untrod Tripod, Kmd4390, MacavityLock

11 votes available, 6 votes needed to lynch.

[Untrod Tripod]

vote MagnaOfIllusion

no reason for him to be *that* pissed about a townie lynch if he was actually a town member. I think he's mafia trying to earn towncred by being "mad" about a town lynch.