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Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:57 pm

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You know what? I'd wanted to wait until I'd finished a huge catch-up posts of reads to do this. But ten pages a day keep being added and I still haven't answered the outstanding questions to me, so I don't want to keep people waiting forever. I'll just make this short and sweet.

Nuke: bobsnox


I love the kind of vig kills where I don't have to second-guess myself at all, because it's more garbage collecting than scumhunting. :P

I'll check through Jack's/Percy's/SX's analysis afterward to see if I agree with my assessment. If bobsnox flips town, I'll see if anyone else fits as C, I, and E according to the voting.

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More stuff:

1) I think we might be able to nail yet another scum today.

Katsuki is a silo. Snake is town. If inHim flips town, that means
dana is confirmed scum
. Unless you really believe that someone was desperately egging Percy on to claim eavesdropper in the QT for no reason--and I'm pretty convinced that Percy is town after the leaks that explained his stances on most of the players in the game so far--danakillsu is the one referred to in the "claim!" leak, for revealing his carrier role.

...Actually, hold that thought. At least one team was clearly trying to frame me and chesskid with their leaks. But the claiming/nuking/bussing ones are a lot more general...

Fuck, I'm spinning in a circle of WIFOM.


Edit by way of preview: LOL, never mind this one. :oops:

2) Sociopath, is there a reason that you completely ignored this?

It was probably obvious where my questions re: Sociopath and inHimshallibe were heading (particularly all the "Every hour COUNTS!" stuff).

Had Percy not revoked his evidence suggesting Snake!scum and actually pushed in favour of inHim!scum, my next action would have been to use my nuke on Sociopath before his forty-eight hours were up, just as pressure to get him to recall the vig. But Percy's reveals made made me hesitate.

To be honest, though, I'm starting to wish I hadn't chickened out at the last minute. inHim is really giving me doomed, dead-townie-walking vibes.


EBWOPreview: Again, LOL, never mind.

However, I prefer a dizzy lynch to a Sociopath one. I think that this post alone deserves a vote:
The trouble with the leaks Percy posted is that we can't properly evaluate them with any sort of certainty as to how skeptical we should be of the messages until Percy is confirmed one way or the other. That means he needs to die. The nature of the evesdropped posts suggests that the scum teams are being careful as to the information that is being put in their QT, so they may be quite comfortable with their information or disinformtion being put in the public sphere. They may not decided to kill him. Thus, town has to consider whether it's worth killing Percy ourselves, since as far as I'm aware, that's the only way to be 100% sure of his allegience and thus the context of the messages he's leaked.
VOTE: DizzyIzzyB13

Sociopath also cast doubt on Percy, but at least he was direct with it, and gave reasons for why he thought the codes looked too obvious to be true. Meanwhile, Dizzy's stance on Percy defines fence-sitting and keeping her options open. It looks as though she's trying to urge someone else to get their hands dirty, but doesn't have the guts to vote/nuke him herself.

3) This should go without saying, but just in case:

If you have a silo in active mode, YOU SHOULD BE USING IT TODAY.


If you have a nuke in defensive mod, TODAY IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO JUSTIFY WHY.


I will personally lynch on the spot anyone who reveals having a nuke later on and doesn't explain why they sat and twiddled their thumbs while we were desperately waiting for one to fire.

I would also propose the following:

From now on, keeping your nuke in defensive mode is tantamount to a scum claim.


Maybe we should change this as we get closer to LYLO and have a smaller margin of error, but for now, this is like a town with multiple lynches.

...okay, that was
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Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:58 pm

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And Fate wasn't a pretty clear protect choice if he's a buddy?

The whole where this fell apart was you nuking inhim the same day.

That makes a whole lore more sense then PROTECT TOWN FOR LULZ

+6 years or -3 batmans doesn't change that.

Of course with the song and dance that has been this game who knows.
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Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:59 pm

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Mina may be scum.
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Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:02 pm

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EBWOP: I'll check through Jack's/Percy's/SX's analysis afterward to see if I agree with
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Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:05 pm

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Spyrex.... did you,...

WHAT THE UDIFYHAIFHAOIHGO

DID YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD?

IM HERE WITH 10-15 MINUTES LEFT TO LIVE AND YOUR
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THOUGHT IS: "oh no Fate u lied to me"

WHAT THE HELL
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Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:06 pm

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OH YES A BOBSNOX NUKE PRAISE ALL THAT IS STILL SANE IN THIS GAME
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Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:11 pm

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I DID GO DOWN THAT ROAD

Wait.

Did I screw up the order? I thought your nuke was before the other nukes and already failed.
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Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:13 pm

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Mina wrote:Sociopath, is there a reason that you completely ignored this?
Yes.
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Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:14 pm

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^Which is?
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Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:17 pm

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Fate wrote:IM HERE WITH 10-15 MINUTES LEFT TO LIVE
I don't see this happening.

Inhim didn't claim by choice.

Once the FATE FATALIST mode was gone and then inhim could could out like a white knight.

I stopped that before it happened though.
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Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:18 pm

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So, you're assuming the nuke will be stopped but that inHim did it to town-fate for lulz.

Alright. Glad we're clear.

I'm officially sheeping Percy until he's dead tonight because no one makes any sense.

(And I thought about it and I'm probably not dead tonight)
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Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:18 pm

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So, until that time.

Unvote.
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Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:25 pm

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bobsnox nuke is awesome.

Pretty sure inhim scum DOES NOT mean fate scum and that this is obvious. Just a sec.
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Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:31 pm

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We can discuss who to nuke later. Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.
I screwed up and misinterpreted this as meaning rogue couldn't be inhim. "saving his role for someone else" sounded like it was an investigation or block or something. But if you think about it it can easily be battleship.
"Rogue-Target e with your action. Targeting anyone else either outs you as scum or is needlessly pro-town for no reason. You can say e is playing to his townmeta so you figured he was the easiest town read during your skim."
e is fate, we determined. So rogue is either
snake
, dana, or inhim.

"targeting anyone else either outs you as scum" --> aka, protecting a scumbuddy
"playing to town meta"-->fate, obv
"reading during skim" --> inhim obv

So we have scum telling scum to protect someone who isn't a buddy. So obviously fate isn't a buddy.


WITH THAT SAID

AV IS NOW OBVIOUS SCUM AGAIN


I just got a bit confused with something else.
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Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:36 pm

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Maybe I'm missing it again but:
We can discuss who to nuke later.
Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable
and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.
Maybe its tired / bias but this sure reads like "We need to focus on who to get mislynched because Fate (our partner) may actually be lynched"

Which would make sense with the battleship protect because that would stop the lynch?
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Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:42 pm

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6 scum left:

AurorusVox
bobsnox
chesskid3

danakillsu
DizzyIzzyB13
Faraday
Fate
Jack

Kitoari
Mina
Percy

SocioPath

SpyreX


That I'm pretty confident about now. Of the remainder I dont even know. Mina / Faraday/Dizzy for the last towns?

Yea I just said Mina may be scum but if bobs IS scum then doubtful.
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Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:50 pm

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Didnt Faraday nuke Katsuki?

WDF SpyreXUS?

NOW SEE HERE finally some sense starting to come into this thread.

BTW AGM STOP LURKIN AM I A CRATER OR DID SCUM REALLY PROTECT ME LOLOOL?
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Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:55 pm

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1 nuke 1 scum.


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Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:58 pm

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We can discuss who to nuke later. Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.

Tai Chi, go for the dana one. Rogue join me on the Fate wagon. I think we can make a lot of flips happen if Rogue ever gets lynched connection wise, but lets try to steer far away from his lynch right now.
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2 of them are supposed to go on the fate wagon, and 1 is supposed to go on the dana wagon. The sentence about lots of flips happening is a red herring if inhim is rogue. It sounds though like they are not scumbuddies with fate. Fate's wagon might be viable, aka we can lynch fate and use the battleship on someone else.

Or, alternatively, dana is rogue, and they were telling bobs to vote him. And because of connections they thought they could get other people lynched if dana was lynched, and the wanted him to aircraft carrier fate.

I think that has to be the case just because this has to be katsuki talking. katsuki flipped chinese and inhim flipped russian.

So this is katsuki, dana and bobs's scum qt.

That means inhim could indeed be protecting fate scumbuddy. In that case I wonder about fate/socio/inhim. That would be funny.

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Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:59 pm

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Fate
Katsuki
Spyrex
RC
Percy
Baby
Toog
Socio
Jack
IS

Is kats early town list, just reading over her posts. Some of these are really odd inclusions, iirc Jack/Baby Spice and Percy had done very little up to this point. this is probably one of thise things with one scumbuddy anyway. we can safely remove FATE. unless kat somehow killing a buddy would be a good idea (though she was playing so bad that etc)

early guess for scumbuddy would be Baby Spice just from generally scummyiness level I think.
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Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:07 pm

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nah, socio wouldn't really nuke his own battleship.

I do think inhim would protect a scumbuddy. Maybe not.

unvote, vote:dana


I'm not sure who inhim's scumbuddies would be really. I'll think on it.
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Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:10 pm

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Jack why in the HELL are you not voting AV?

If Bobsnox flips scum and your theories about da qt are all true THEN maybe Dana. But for now as much as it pains me to say it Dana is NOT the play
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Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:20 pm

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Well, we aren't lynching anybody until the nuke hits anyway.

I'm confused right now.
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Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:33 pm

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[DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Day 3, DEFCON 1 - Game Event]


Image

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*Several hours ago aboard the USS Vermont in the Northern Pacific*

"Well well ... what have we here?"
"Looks like a nuclear warhead, Captain."
"Do we know its target?"
"One second...looks like a nuclear facility commanded by the recently appointed Fate."
"Eh? I always liked that guy. Nuclear warhead, you say?"
"Yes, Captain."
"Very few people deserve that kind of death, and Fate sure as hell ain't one of them. Shoot that bitch down."
"Um, Captain ... not be a coward, but we can only fire a limited number of countermeasures in a given period of time. Shouldn't we be a bit more cautious? Get clearance? Conserve our firing power?"
"Fuck that. I said shoot it down."
"But Captain..."
"I SAID SHOOT THAT GODDAMNED SON OF A BITCH DOWN. NOW."
"Yes, Captain."

...


[NORAD SYSTEM] ALERT. ALERT. MISSILE IMPACT IMMINENT.
[NOARD SYSTEM] Nautical interception routines activated.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Tracking threat...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Lock achieved.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Launching countermeasures...3...2...1...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Countermeasures fired.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Intercepting...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Interception successful. Threat neutralized.
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Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:35 pm

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[DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Day 3, DEFCON 1 - Game Event]


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[NORAD SYSTEM] ALRERT. ALERT. NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Attempting to locate launch site...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile tracked to facility XR-112 currently commanded by
Mina.

[NORAD SYSTEM] Analyzing flight trajectory…
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile is currently targeting coordinates registered to
bobsnox
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[NORAD SYSTEM] Estimating time until impact...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Warhead will detonate on Sunday, 9 January at 8:57pm EST.

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