DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Over, American Victory!

[Jack]

I don't at all understand your concern about mina having a nuke in defensive mode. Offensive seems just as useful and she said in bold caps yesterday that defensive was a scum claim.

I'm comfortable with mina as town.

[SpyreX]

It's one of those gut paranoias.

Of course we're gonna go back and forth because Sharks particular brand of madness does NOT strike me as scum replacing in madness.

[Jack]

Reading Kit's ISO is very strong on fate scumbuddy...

[chesskid3]

faraday is townnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Jack]

The great attempted read list:

AurorusVox - Good stuff during D5, hasn't posted much D4.
Baby Spice - Town!
bobsnox - ... Who? He has 5 posts back from RFVS. Mod, can has prods?
bunnylover - Slight scum, 8 posts.
chesskid3 - chesskid is chesskid, aka attempting to annoy people for his own amusement. Can't be sure of his alignment.
danakillsu - Scum per Fate.
Faraday - Slight town.
Fate - Manufactured in Obvtownville.
gandalf5166 - Null. Gut's scum, but his posts are townish. Le sigh.
Internet Stranger - Trying WAAAY too hard to look town. It may or may not be genuine.
Jack - Null.
Jed Cooper - "WOE IS ME" scum.
Katsuki - Null, like the fact he came in with a read list.
Kitoari - Town, of course!
Percy - V/LA, move along.
RedCoyote - Town! (But I was wrong the last time I played with him.)
SocioPath - Null
SpyreX - Town if Jed is scum.
Toogeloo - Null.
VasudeVa - Null.

I really can not see what PANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* is trying to do other than piss off fate at this point.
Percy upgraded to "Town!". I may not agree with everything he said but I do think he's town.
Gandalf5166 downgraded to slight scum. I missed the blatant AtE earlier (thanks, Percy!)

*Yes.

Fate and Dana are playing to their Fate/Dana meta, respectively.

Surprising no one.

Are you guys serious? Look at what just happened! We put some pressure on Fate for his ridiculous "scumhunting" and what does he do? HE SWITCHES HIS VOTE! And people follow him again for some reason. This is exactly what a pressure wagon hopes to accomplish, and most of you are missing it. Fate is confirmed scum in my book.

PANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA has been aggravating Fate since Defcon 5, and I think he was trying to engineer that on purpose. Personally I think Fate just snapped and PANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is gonna try to make himself look like "oh poor me I call out fate and he tunnels me. i are sad panda" even though that's at the best a half-truth.

Well I think everyone knows where I stand in this confrontation, so it's pretty much just a matter of waiting to see just how many people are blind enough to vote for Toogeloo instead of Fate.

I have two options:
- Vote for the person who's been intentionally aggravating a player all game to set up a lynch.
OR
- Vote for a player who ended up getting aggravated because of the first player and because of that I can't get a read on him.

Also if both SpyreX and Fate are mafia I will eat a thousand hats.

Skimming today, it was mostly Fate catching bunnylover which I am inclined to agree with him. Chesskid wagon died, which I think is good for now. Small counterwagon formed on Fate, which seemed more like a "We don't like you" wagon than an actual scumread driven one.

Fate puts me on a need to die list.

Yeah, it's obvious no one is going to believe me. I highly doubt that if I were watching someone else pull shit like this I would either.

FINAL READS LIST BEFORE I DIE DUE TO MY STUPIDITY:
AurorusVox
Word twisting. Dana fakenukes, I was implying izzy did the same thing (which I found out shortly afterwards was

not

the case.)

Not sure I like, but I've been reading him as town otherwise.

bobsnox
He's getting nuked, I think? I remember not liking him a while ago.

chesskid3
Leaning town. He has failsafe though, which bugs me.

danakillsu
Scum, probably.

DizzyIzzyB13
Def. Scum. Saying it was a fakenuke and then JUST KIDDING IT'S FOR REALS doesn't sit well with me.

Faraday
I remember having a read on him but I seem to have lost it.

Fate
My opinion of fate is going to be based mostly on how dana flips, but considering in all likelihood I'm not going to be AROUND when dana flips, null.

Jack
Leaning scum.

Kitoari
Stupid town.

Mina
Her reaction to me seems genuine. Town.

Percy
Town per leaks above me and eavesdrop.

SocioPath
Leaning town.

SpyreX
Leaning town.

So taking my scum reads and nulls to fill in the gaps, MY FINALSCUMLIST IS:
dizzy (Just because dana fakenuked doesn't mean you can claim to fakenuke and it turns out to be real.)
dana (Why would I have nuked him otherwise?)
Jack (interactions with bobsnox earlier seal the deal)
And finally I have three null, Fate/Faraday/bobsnox

This has probably been brought up already BUT:

inHimshallibe VasudeVa (Russian, Battleship) - Nuked Day 3

Fate was protected by a battleship.

Not sure I like this..

Mina says:

Fate's quickhammer made me paranoid, but I'm still leaning town on him.

Mina is making sense. The dizzy quickhammer looks really bad, especially after fate had been tunneling me so hard.

First set of quotes:

Fate is town, fate is town, following fates lead.

Second set:

His read is now based on how dana will flip, he thinks dana is scum, but fate is null anyway...

"Not sure I like this..." about the inhim/fate combo.

He has dizzy on his scumlist, and Mina said she was still leaning town on fate so the last quote is weird. Sounds like he knows dizzy is town.

[Jack]

I'll sleep on it, but I think we're going to end up having shark/kit nuke AV. We'll see though.

[SpyreX]

Dont sleep quite yet check other things TIA.

God this is making me itchy all over.

[SpyreX]

The other thing about Kit:

The stupid nuke coming in. I just can't SEE that as scum. If you're being that guy at least throw up some hot sweet death.

[Jack]

He could easily have gotten confused about the nuke, thinking it was fake, and then seeing all of fates posts in the qt yelling at him to nuke dana he did it, resulting in:

KITOARI WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?

Remember what just happened over at coney island

yeah I haven't exactly been competent as of late

[SpyreX]

Lets assume you aren't scum because thats a fairly safe assumption.

Is there enough nukes to purge the undesirables?

[SpyreX]

Mina-replaced into a game and every single post is filled to the brim with stuff. Im getting town vibes here.
Fate-but he’s dying soon, but i bet you he flips American. If Russian, suspect Mina.
Chesskid3- just feels town atm
SpyreX- null
Jack- null
AurorusVox-What are you exactly? You have a guilty on Fate?(pending, but apparently is mega scummy)
Faraday- Meh, coasting isnt helping. EDIT: And seeing how you are supporting a guy who you think is scum is hypocritical SCUM!!!.

This one gives me all kinds of pause on him being scum.

It's like some Kaiser Soze stuff right here.

[chesskid3]

MY GUT ON day 1 WAS RIGHT ABOUT FATE BTW

[AurorusVox]

MY PLAN IS GLORY

I want to use my investigation again I've never been a cop before Q~Q

[Mina]

...

...I am going to crawl under a rock right now.

But...but...Fate pointblank asked AurorusVox to investigate him at one point...and....*sobs*

Fate, for the record, you are a despicable bastard.

Okay, so that makes SpyreX very obviously non-Russian. Please don't even tell me that a SX-Fate scumteam is possible. I'll turn into a ball of paranoia. And that means AurorusVox and Faraday aren't scumbuddies, so there goes that theory.

Let me see if SharkFinn works according to Fate's plan. Sure, Kitoari could have just refused to fire a nuke at chesskid after SpyreX did. But Faraday would have still had an active nuke to fire at him.

But then again, Fate and Kitoari could have both voted no-lynch while after the fire. Hmm.

The worst part is that his nuke-and-recall makes perfect sense for a Fate-Jack scum team. Fate would have wanted an excuse to waste his nuke, and it was free distancing. But I don't want to believe that Jack is scum. Maybe Faraday = Russian, AurorusVox = Chinese?

I have to leave for work now. But I will seriously reread the game with Jack = Russian goggles, just to see if there's anything there. (I remember some of his assumptions re: the codes came out of nowhere, and he's been a lot more brutal to the Chinese team than to the Russians.) I'd want to pressure him on a couple of points. He's played an utterly fantastic game if he's evil, though.

[Mina]

faraday is townnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

(I still owe Faraday a post on why I suspected him in the first place, though. Fuck, it has to be Faraday or Jack at this point. The only thing is that SharkFinn linked me to Fate before a flip.)

The stupid nuke coming in. I just can't SEE that as scum. If you're being that guy at least throw up some hot sweet death.

If it was an accident, then it's a null-tell either way.

I'll examine possible Fate buddies when I get back from work, but TBH, at this point, I'm fine with whoever sends a nuke AV's way, even if it's me. There are enough players alive for no one to be able to try something funny.

[Mina]

EBWOPost: Also, I think it would be a decent scum strategy to double up a nuke so as to waste a strategy. Most people aren't as bold as Fate and brazenly nuke someone obvtown. Again, at best, it's a nulltell, because that means it wasn't deliberate.

But that reminds me. Fate was the one who was adamantly convinced that Kitoari was scum for double-nuking in the first place, and sheeped my case on him. Maybe that's a point in SharkFinn's favour.

Someone check those pages while I'm at work to see how hard Fate pushed Kitoari before moving on to Dizzy/AV. Does it work as distancing?

[Mina]

EBWOP: GAH! I mean, "so as to plausibly waste a vig kill," not a "strategy," obviously.

[AurorusVox]

Mina, if you're American, you really need to stop thinking everything through with me as scum. Now that your "AV-Faraday" theory has been disproven, you're relying solely on some leaks that were forged (and could easily have been so). What seems to be the sticking point in your #2413 is trying to fit me into the scumteam around the other scumspects. Take me out of the equation and it all slots into place.

Of course if you're scum continue pushing me and try to survive the nuclear apocalypse on the back of a communist dolphin of victory.

[Fate]

I THOUGHT I HAD MORE TIME TO LIVE.

I'M SO SORRY.

I JUST WANTED TO LIVE TO THE END OF THE WORLD WITH MY ONE LOVE.

AND START OVER AGAIN.

I DIDN'T CHOOSE WHERE I WAS BORN.

I DIDN'T CHOOSE THE COLOR OF MY SKIN.

IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY.

I DIDN'T WANT THIS.

I JUST WANTED...

a...

new world...

*dies*

[SharkFinn]

ooooooooooo Fate was Russian.

I thought that since Fate kept bussing Mina.

But I am willing to nuke Faraday now for certain.

But Ill wait for SpyreX, Jack, and Mina to give the okay.

[Faraday]

im too pretty to be nuked. and town on top of that.

why does the FATE flip make you want to nuke me, fmpov at least there's stuff there that makes us obviously not buddies, and I'm not Chinese either that much should be apparent.

[Jack]

@Mina: nuking your partner and then aborting seems like a bad strategy. Fate was very aggressive on kit but fate can buss very hard as scum. And he hammered dizzy after a couple of pages of it.

Sharkfinn is obviously fate's buddy, what with the random references to fate as russian scum. Why russian??

And that was supposed to make mina a scumbuddy, but now she's one of the people he's waiting to give the ok.

[Faraday]

I can nuke Av if you guys want, I guess. I don't feel like Mina's been that scummy, I don't think she's obvtown as many do as she's similar enough as both alignments. Kit is busy btw, I think he/she's flaked the whole site so that would explain a lot of the later behaviour, if not the earlier one. Shakfinn is odd, need a bit more from him.

I need to re-read her interactions with Fate, they don't actually strike me as a likely scumteam though.

[chesskid3]

DONT NUKE FARADAY

[SpyreX]

Lets get AV out of the way so we can focus on finishing this.

P.S. you better either man up and nuke me soon or capitulate to my emperor claim.