Here it comes, the grand case of why Parama is scum.
I know some of these things don't mean much by themselves, but there is such a massive number of them that they start to look indicative of scum. And there are some tells I consider pretty strong too.
For starters, some relational tells.
RELATIONAL TELLS
Jack #32 wrote:Another strategy thought: best picks in the future may very well be scummy-VI'ish type players (or at least one). People who are easy mislynch targets for scum and who might reveal info in their choices.
chesskid3 #54 wrote:As a scummy-VI btw I want to be a consul :DDDD
Here it begins. Jack suggests making scummy-VI players into Consuls, and chesskid3 is there to ask for Consulship, claiming to be scummy-VI.
Jack #354 wrote:@mod:find a replacement for chesskid (or me)
Here we have Jack expressing his displeasure with chesskid3, during his fight with SensFan. Of course, he could simply be posing, since it would be townish to be angry about spamming the thread. But, threatening to replace out is rather extreme to be posing. Why would Jack be this upset with chesskid3 if he was town? Scum would thank their lucky stars for a townie making himself into a potential mislynch like chesskid3 was doing. They would maybe make a half-hearted rebuke, not demand for that player to be replaced with a threat of replacing out themselves. To me, this is a strong indicator that they were scum together, and Jack was upset with his teammate failing in his play.
dramonic #224 wrote:Chesskid and Sens are town. That's not a good thing though
dramonic #364 wrote:Again Sens, I understand your frustration at Chesskid3's incredible usefulness, but even though he's a twat he's still town. Bad, annoying, frustrating town, but he is. You're town too, do the right thing and off someone who has actual odds at being scum.
@Chess: Sorry pumpkin, but even though you claim to be unstable meta-wise, you're predictable. Stop experimenting and start playing.
dramonic #373 wrote:Well, the bad thing is I can't read Parama AFAIK
The good thing is that Chess was so obvtown that I wont have to
dramonic #582 wrote:Also, Parama is the most obv-town player in the game FFS.
dramonic #591 wrote:Meta.
Chesskid was obv-town, he always, ALWAYS play like that as town.
Heck, a cop could investigate him and if he gets a guilty I'd call him most likely insane.
Five times. Five times dramonic calls chesskid3 or Parama town. Does this look like scum defending a partner to anyone else? To me it does. And as if that were not enough...
Parama #396 wrote:Whee, dramonic's reads in 224 are mostly mine backwards! He's probably town
This has got to be one of the silliest reasons I've ever seen for giving someone a town read. After this, when dramonic and reckoner have their distancing fight on page 21, Parama is in the middle of it, taking dramonic's side.
And then, the best part:
Parama #396 wrote:I don't understand why people think one of the consuls is scum. Jack is obvtown for claiming in the first place and ribwich is obvtown for ccing. Town CAN lie y'know.
Parama #603 wrote:What pro-scum reason would there be for lying about being consulmaker?
Parama #614 wrote:Consul picks are bad, both consulmakers are still town, etc.
Parama #700 wrote:Jacktown claims consulmaker to cover for the real consulmaker and try to attract a kill as a VT.
Ribwichtown the idiot ccs because he is unable to process this simple thought process and ruins the entire point of Jack's claim.
That Nath doesn't even try and consider this option FROM HIS POSITION shows that he's aiming towards the dichotomy and is scum trying to set up two mislynches based on claims alone. Even a 3rd grader has enough of the brain to come up with the solution, "Oooh they could both be town right? right? Riiiight?"
Parama was defending Jack with his theory of both Consulmaker claimants being town, even after Jack had been caught lying. His explanation for why they would both be town is horrible. And what do you know?
Nathanael #290 wrote:Who out of {Jack, ribwich} do you think is the real consulmaker?
chesskid3 #294 wrote:Ribwich, but Jack ain't scum sooooooooooo go figure.
I found this while doing a reread of chesskid3. Somehow, he thinks Jack is town, even though he believes ribwich is the true Consulmaker. This is very interesting. Two players from this slot have both said they thought Jack was town.
Finally, there is something I have no quote for, since the point is about something Parama has never done. Despite believing Jack was town he never tried to defend him again, and he has never acknowledged Jack flipping scum, or updated his reads in response to that.
So much for relational tells. Both chesskid3 and Parama have interacted with known scum in ways that make the slot look like scum with them. Both of them believing that both Consulmaker claimants were town looks particularly damning. Next up, scumhunting, or more accurately a profound lack of scumhunting.
SCUMHUNTING
Parama #396 wrote:Rabies is scum
Primate is town
Jack is town
ribwich is town
Lowell is town
Nathanael is scum
SensFan is town
Mert is town
chamber is scum
SpyreX is scum
dramonic is town
scotmany is scum
Powerrox is scotmany is scum
Reck is scum
This was the first and last time I've seen Parama produce reads. I've never seen him update any of his stances in response to flips. When dramonic flipped scum, he acknowledged it in one post, and continued to suspect scotmany12 and me, the only two players who had voiced suspicion of both dramonic and reckoner being scum. When Jack flipped scum, he never acknowledged it at all, and he continues to think Nathanael is scum. Now about his case on Nathanael, he had to be asked three times to explain it, and he refused at first and answered only the next day. I've already said what I think about that case in great detail in
my post #1322, and I'm not going to repeat all that. Delaying in making his case was not in the least bit townish, and the case itself was so bad and hypocritical that I can only consider it scummy.
Parama gave reasons for most of his early reads of course, flimsy as first day reasons often are, and I find it all the more suspicious that he still sticks to those reads. One reason in particular was interesting, since it is an inconsistency. Nathanael was supposedly scum for wanting to execute one of the Consulmaker claimants. He was not the only one, scotmany12 and Lowell had said the same thing before, Lowell even worded it rather oddly as "We kill them, right? What's hard about this?" Nathanael and scotmany12 got scum reads from Parama, Lowell did not. Parama has never explained why he gave Lowell a town read, either in this or any other post.
Parama #960 wrote:Flameaxe wrote:Ribwich [5] (Nathanael, Lowell, Ribwich, Magua, Jack)
BTW at least 2 scum voting Rib here, Nath is one and Jack may be the other.
Parama #963 wrote:Well if I had to pick 2 from that wagon...
ribwich is confirmed town
Nathanael is scum
Magua (Katsuki) is not scum with Nathanael
Lowell is not scum with Nathanael
so it must be Jack.
And there are 2 scum on your tribune wagon btw.
Parama #965 wrote:Hmm now that I'm rethinking... there's probably 2 scum left, maaaaaybe 3 but it's less likely, so the scum probably aren't voting together on the tribune wagon.
So Jack probably isn't scum since Nathanael is.
This is the last bit of scumhunting Parama has done, some feeble wagon analysis. Somehow, the conclusions he reaches are exactly the same as his initial reads. And after this, Parama has never mentioned Jack again. He has never acknowledged him flipping scum, or updated his read of Nathanael in response.
If you look through his posts for scumhunting, you will find nothing else. He just sits there, taking jabs at his original scum suspects, over and over, never making arguments, never responding to arguments other than to call people scummy, never asking questions or doing anything else remotely useful.
There it is. More than enough reasons for me to believe Parama is scum. I have an additional reason for wanting him dead, and that is information. Both SensFan and Nathanael wanted him dead on the first day, and Parama flipping scum would go a long way to clear both of them. To name a selfish reason, it could also help me establish some credit for my own scumhunting.
As I said, my candidate for being Parama's last scum partner is SpyreX. I'll try to write a case on him next, hopefully before an execution happens. But first, I need to ask a question. Why would you not support Parama being executed, The Fonz? Or is it just that it is me and Nathanael, both of us your suspects, who are most strongly in favor of Parama being executed? Read through my case please, and tell me if there is any reason not to execute Parama based on his and chesskid3's play alone.