Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

Sighhh

If WW doesn't produce these mystical 'reads' soon I could jump on there. I'd still rather see it go the other way.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote
vote: werewolf

Let's see something.

[Xalxe]

My issue with this wagon is that I read werewolf as town. That being said, a lynch is better than no lynch.

I doubt this will survive the 22 days until deadline though.

I would also be ok with some pressure here too..

why exactly do you have werewolf as town?...what is your opinion has he done that deserves that?

It's not what he has done, but what he hasn't.

I've seen no convincing scumtells, no dodging questions, nothing that would ordinarily cause me to place a vote on someone.

[werewolf555]

There hasn't been anything scummy from my point of view on me. There is a lack of activity, which I pursue in other games

Dutch is voting me on meta
-possible scum?

Farside is saying things that i've "done" without presenting examples
-Hypocratic Scum?

Antihero is voting me because i'm not a "noob"
-basically saying that I am not playing experienced and deserving of a vote
-SCUM

ckd votes me for using "recycled reasoning"
-nobody had used that reasoning before...

RC is voting me for meta
-Scummy move
Personally, I find the voting for meta most scummy

Gorrad-scum is voting for me

Antihero and Chevre have been voting me for some time
-not really wagon jumping

[Kublai Khan]

yabbaguy is replacing Jerbs effective immediately.

[yabbaguy]

Hello!

Thank you, thank you!

*bows*

Thank you so much.

Subscribing and reading now, my fellow players and not-so-fellow villains. (I'm somewhat giddy at the moment.)

[yabbaguy]

Before I begin-

Hypocratic

Not a word.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad-scum is voting for me

I am not! I haven't even stated suspicion of you yet. I just said I wasn't completely against your wagon, and would do a read of you in my Nocase case fell through.

[nocase]

i've got some catching up to do.

[PokerFace]

I have read pages 1-8. I will read more later. Here is what I got so far.

My timezone is GMT -5 if that matters as some people said it earlier. not sure why it matters

I do have a general question. It might be because I am now hoped up on cold meds but for some reeason I am having trouble understanding some of what chevre and dutch are saying. Dutch repeats himself alot and chevre comes off as indecisive to me. I'm guessing Dutch one's first language is not english so that might be part of it.

@chevre what is your first language?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2743574
my eyes my eyes too much text!

@nocase, inhim

What was the point of that post restriction stuff earlier? I know you should be random early on to get conversation going but that felt too out there and or ridiculous especially with how inhim suggested he had one too. It was like he was trying to vindicate or validate the situation or take it too far.

@Gorrad

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2741802
You voted yourself at a time in the middle of the RVS stage. Not at its start. It was your second vote and came after some players voted you. It felt as though you were giving credit to everyone's gut suspicions of you at that point and or making a bad attempt at stopping your wagon. I think that was scummy. Why did you do it?

more later

[farside22]

Farside is saying things that i've "done" without presenting examples
-Hypocratic Scum?

Really? I presented no examples of what you have done. All those pretty links I posted must lead to nowhere in your imaginary scum world.

Dear Xalxe:

I would appreciate if you actually read the game. It makes me look at you oddly when I see something about a player not dodging questions when I have asked wolf a few questions that he completely ignores.

Thank you,

farside.

Questions that did not get answered by wolf:

oh and you mean that game where I was lynched D-1?
(feels sense of dejavu)

You were noticeable absent in that game, but here is there a reason your not posting or noting who you are suspicious of and why?

exactly that
We need to analyze how people voted and how or if that makes them scum.

So you get to glide by following people and offering nothing of your own opinion, then blame others when or if they are wrong?

Also I want an answer to how you can be bitter about a modkill when your death was a forgone conclusion?
(for those not understanding my meaning, please search wolf's post and you will find the game he was referring to when he made this statement:

Not really,
I was just mad because I was modkilled for it before

)

[yabbaguy]

I read the whole damn thing in 3 hours PokerFace, including getting distracted by dinner and a lame sports rivalry war. You're reading wrong.

NOW EXCUSE ME.

BUT.

WHY.

THE FUCK.

IS THE CHEVRE WAGON DYING?

When was she not scum?

farside- your werewolf example has a confounding variable- the fact it's a Mini. From personal experience, I floundered in my first Large, Picking Simplicity (Hi, SpyreX!). It very well could be the same thing happening here.

Two posts made me go "huh?". Will the two authors just give me a quick runthrough of what they were meaning?

There's a scum in the first page. I think it might be Seraphim.

OMG, I have been here for years...and that post was the longest I have ever read...firm stances and opinions...and lots of content...town or really ballsy scum...got to be town.

scumlist:
-Chevre: reaction to fake dayvig was delayed, among tentative language. The kicker was somehow trying to take advantage of Dutch one's sentiments about, I believe, DGB. The "DGB didn't want to confess she got caught" line.
-curiouskarmadog: ignored Chevre at 135. This is a contingency case based on Chevre-scum, so it can't possibly be today's lynch.
-RedCoyote: 264, much like Cyberbob, set off my radar.
-Antihero: has just been asking stupider and stupider questions and is being irrelevant.
-Seraphim: tougher one, but the reactions to the initial nocase reaction test were strange.

werewolf is not scum and scum should be found on his wagon.
gorrad is not scum.

I think for the first time, I agree with my predecessor. The Chevre vote sticks.

Fixed your quote tags

[farside22]

farside- your werewolf example has a confounding variable- the fact it's a Mini. From personal experience, I floundered in my first Large, Picking Simplicity (Hi, SpyreX!). It very well could be the same thing happening here.

This isn't his first large game. The other game he was in is currently ongoing and can not be linked.
It's not just his post style comparison either. It's his lack of answers, the poor me attitude and the shouldn't she be mod killed for that, oh I'm bitter about it happening to me comment (even though his death was a forgone conclusion) doesn't strike me as town.

[Chevre]

Whew! I haven't posted in a while; I mean once I tried, but my post got deleted and it was just long enough not to try again.

nocase, I understand that you may do what you did habitually, but I'm just curious to see what you got from it. If you did get anything relevant from it in this game, please tell us so we know. Otherwise, I'd like to know what it's capabilities were. Otherwise, all I see is a ridiculous claim that had no benefit in any situation.

curiouskarmadog, I surely hope no one is wanting to eat me.

The way in which werewolf555 reacted to farside22 is really suspicious. I believe RedCoyote orates it far better than I ever could in Post 624. In related matters, I actually laughed out loud at werewolf555's Post 663, where he lamely tries to distract the town from him. Actually, werewolf555, if you believe in that strategy, could you analyze the votes for us? That would be a good way to show us your reads, which you said you were going to give us.

PokerFace, my first language is English.

yabbaguy, you need to explain how those things are suspicious.

[farside22]

Mod: I will have limited access this weekend. Not sure if I will have time to post Saturday or Sunday.

[Dutch one]

Well noticed Pokerface yes, my real first language is Dutch? (you didn't expect that, did you?

[Dutch one]

Dutch is voting me on meta
-possible scum?

correction:

You

are scum.
What a stupid argument. What you are actually saying is that I am scum because I suspect you to be scum. This only makes you scummier in my eyes

[Cyberbob]

To be fair I don't find meta to be a very strong argument either but you're hardly scummy for it - many townies fall into the same pit of ineffectuality

[RedCoyote]

It has nothing to do with meta, werewolf, as I just explained to Cyberbob, but, then again, I don't think you really care. Because no one who's voting you is thinking clearly or rationally, right? We're all scum out to get you.

Same goes for yabba, obviously. Although with him I suspect he's naturally going to be a little frayed because 30 pages is quite a bit to digest in one sitting.

[curiouskarmadog]

My issue with this wagon is that I read werewolf as town. That being said, a lynch is better than no lynch.

I doubt this will survive the 22 days until deadline though.

I would also be ok with some pressure here too..

why exactly do you have werewolf as town?...what is your opinion has he done that deserves that?

It's not what he has done, but what he hasn't.

I've seen no convincing scumtells, no dodging questions, nothing that would ordinarily cause me to place a vote on someone.

so by lack of posting then, he gets by in your book...ww, make sure you tell your buddies this...

unless of course you know he is town and are just trying to by some cred.

curious, what are some convincing scumtells Day 1?

[Xalxe]

CKD, no. Just no. You're strawmanning my argument.

When werewolf posts, which I admit is not as frequently as some, it has never been a post that I have taken issues with. Quite frankly, I don't understand how his wagon started, and it seems like scum has just taken it for a ride.

[Kublai Khan]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

"It's not the bullet with my name on it that worries me. It's the one that says "To whom it may concern."

- Anonymous Belfast resident, quoted in London Guardian, 1991

werewolf555

- 8 - Antihero, Chevre, curiouskarmadog, farside22, RedCoyote, Dutch one, nocase, inHimshallibe

Gorrad

- 5 - SpyreX, werewolf555, iamausername, Cyberbob

Chevre

- 3 - Seraphim, yabbaguy, Xalxe

nocase

- 1 - Gorrad

SpyreX

- 1 - Korlash

DrippingGoofball

- 1 - Kmd4390

KMD4390

- 1 - DrippingGoofball

Players not voting:

Weatherman, PokerFace

Notes/Prods

:
- farside22 (limited access on Sat & Sun)
- Seraphim (Been Prodded)
- Kmd4390
- iamausername
- Antihero

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, no. Just no. You're strawmanning my argument.

When werewolf posts, which I admit is not as frequently as some, it has never been a post that I have taken issues with. Quite frankly, I don't understand how his wagon started, and it seems like scum has just taken it for a ride.

unvote, vote Xalxe

starting to think that ww is going to flip town.

there is nothing in his posts that are town or town like..on the other hand, his posts do look like scum trying to fly under the radar...he votes, but with each vote it is with some recycled reasoning....if he was just bandwagoning to bandwagon that would be fine Day 1...but he is not doing that.

there is absolutely NO REASON for Xalxe to say he is town in the face of that...you are either scum trying to buy cred from a townie lynch...or scum WITH ww trying to protect him (though doubtful)..either way, you are scummy

[iamausername]

OK, well if we're going to go ahead and talk about the ongoing game, let's get all the facts on the table. werewolf was modkilled and

turned into a neutral survivor

, meaning that he has lost that game, however it turns out. Of course he's going to be bitter about that. I think he is well within his rights to be bitter about that.

I don't like the werewolf lynch one bit, and I especially don't like the way certain people are characterising his obvious newb confusion about what exactly constitues a modkillable offence as a malicious attempt to get farside modkilled to further a scum win condition. That's patently ridiculous, and I have a hard time seeing it as a good faith argument.

[farside22]

OK, well if we're going to go ahead and talk about the ongoing game, let's get all the facts on the table. werewolf was modkilled and

turned into a neutral survivor

, meaning that he has lost that game, however it turns out. Of course he's going to be bitter about that. I think he is well within his rights to be bitter about that.

I don't like the werewolf lynch one bit, and I especially don't like the way certain people are characterising his obvious newb confusion about what exactly constitues a modkillable offence as a malicious attempt to get farside modkilled to further a scum win condition. That's patently ridiculous, and I have a hard time seeing it as a good faith argument.

fos: iamausername

You not only answered the question directed at wolf, who I don't see from his wiki as tracking town wins or scum wins and giving him an answer to use instead of letting him answer.
Second that is not the only reason people are voting for him. Lets do the list because I'm tired of repeating myself:

1) actively lurking - he is posting fine around MS
2) following BW - has made no point on who is scum and following what others say
3) dodging questions - I made at least 3 he ignored
4) lying - saying I didn't give examples of my accusations