Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[Saint]

Saint/Vi, you are wrong on being impossible time wise.

I got the ability N1, probably more like Dawn of D2. I was told that I had one choice, the one quadz passed to MOI N1.

So 1 & 2 are definitely possibilities.

Shows what I know. (>")>

I think the best three lynch candidates today are CKD, Saint, or Pops. The latter two have been pushing easy lynches throughout this game, and now they are pushing WC. I said Nero was the easy target D3, and DBE was D2, well now I say it is WC is the easy one D4. I am not for that lynch at all.

Um... I *was* pushing WrathChild until q21 pointed out that I'm assuming one too many things, at which time I (implicitly, I'll admit) dropped it (2032). pops completely missing my retraction post is strange, granted.

This doesn't seem clear enough to you, so I'm going to say it again. I have no interest in striking out on my own at this point. I've been almost literally as wrong as possible up to this point and I don't have the role-based information that's starting to drive the game now. I'll point out my observations as I go - for what they're worth - but I'm in no position to press anything.

Given the odd number of starting players, I'm willing to wager that if there is a second anti-Town element in the game it's an SK. Goofyface's hammers on both of the previous two lynching wagons are consistent with her being it, tbqh Goofball was the obvious NK choice last Night, etc. This is all IF nobody claims a NightVig shot, of course.

Nero Cain wasn't an easy wagon Yesterday so much as the competing wagon with themanhimself-scum.
Based on that, I would not have Purged Nero Cain last Night even if I were able to.

[popsofctown]

somehow or other the retraction post got a "marked as read" sticker in my brain without ever getting read, and I never read it until much later. Saint's name is all over the page, it happens.

unvote

It seemed really irontight at the time.

[WrathChild]

This bit confuses me a little. I guess the confusion comes in where I agree that scum would want the dayvig to stay in the void and would therefore pass up the chance to retrieve it... but how do we know the scum ever had te chance to retrieve it. The retriever could have been with a townie yesterday and that townie could have taken the dayvig and Wrath's statement that it isn't in the void is perfectly reasonable. Did I somehow miss something here.
I think part of the confusion arises from my townread of Wrath which comes from his rather aggressive attack on the wagon that was taking pressure OFF him day 2 (the quadz wagon).

The assumption here is that WrathChild had the Void Collector N3 and when he said that the Dayvig was in the Void in post 1997 he actually knew what he was talking about.

If that's not the case, then at least I sounded smart and edgy for one or two posts.

Since there is some confusion. I'll clarify:

1. I have had no ability for the entirety of the game until today.
2. I have the Day Vig. It is inactive.
3. It is flavored a bot oddly, so I'm gonna double check everything.

[WrathChild]

Yep it's the Day Vig ability.

[popsofctown]

this town. It has too much claiming in it.

[I Am Innocent]

Lol, Pops, we finally agree!

WC I am a little less upset about. The Day Vig ability is one that if used, appears to be needed to be declared in the thread.

The person that had the Void Collector Ability must have collected it the previous night/dawn, and that means whoever has the void collector ability now had no choices, as both TMH and Nero were Vanilla when they died.

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Saint/vi, I am actually leaning that way as well. I think DGB is an SK and we have another scum team of probably about 5 players (now 3) or so.

That is why I think everyone needs to go on record today saying if they Purged Nero N3. Then if we do the same thing N4, and both nights nobody claims, we know we either have an SK or two scum teams, as town did not have it for 2 straight days.

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IAI, SC, Saint,, and WC have all claimed not to have purged Nero Cain

Pops, why no answer?

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WC, does the dayvig hint that it needs be activated first before using? With no sign of the virus, it is very odd.

[I Am Innocent]

If I had to guess right now, my remaining suspects for the scum team would be CKD, q21, and either Pops/Saint.

I also suspect that DGB is possibly an SK.

DGB, who said the purge ability cycles, should prove to the group whether he is telling the truth by having a town come forward either today or tomorrow.

I think the best kill today is CKD, and will vote him once we 1) know more about the dayvig and if it is going to be activated and 2) everyone states whether they purged Nero Cain N3 or not.

[Saint]

Bunnylover's 2043 is very scummy
I view CKD as a very easy mislynch, and while I was reading him as scum during the time he had the treestump, I am actually suspecting he is town considering a few of these things:

1) his pressure on TMH
2) his defense of DBE
3) his town meta appearing scummy

It's in play. Let's decide who we want to dayvig, AND who we want to lynch.

It doesn't work like that.
The dayvig ability requires the Virus. I don't see a Virus around. The dayvig ability, if it is in the game, is presently useless.

But more importantly, consider the following.
...

I had the Void Collector ability N1. I said I passed it to either Implosion or StrangerCoug N2. Definitely not WC. So that still leaves the following possibilities:

1) WC got the Void Collector N3 and saw nothing in there, signaling the dayvig was already picked up the prior night.
2) Implosion or StrangerCoug collected the Dayvig N2, and passed it to WC last night
3) Diddin used the BusDriver Ability N2 and gave it to WC N2 (and for some reason WC never brought it up).

There are lots of explanations, no need to jump down WC's throat quite yet. I actually believe him that the dayvig is in someone's hands here. Now whether we get to use that with an MIA Virus is another question.

Obv if/swhen the dayvig is fired up, that player should come forward and zap q21/treestump IMO.

Seconded, but we need to get this out in the open

now

as opposed to later
We are nearing the point that we need to just get everything out in the open as a town collective.

1) WC got the Void Collector N3 and saw nothing in there, signaling the dayvig was already picked up the prior night.
2) Implosion or StrangerCoug collected the Dayvig N2, and passed it to WC last night
3) Diddin used the BusDriver Ability N2 and gave it to WC N2 (and for some reason WC never brought it up).

There are lots of explanations, no need to jump down WC's throat quite yet. I actually believe him that the dayvig is in someone's hands here. Now whether we get to use that with an MIA Virus is another question.

I'm pretty sure 1) and 2) are impossible time-wise; the collection ability (and checking if something is in the Void) should resolve before passes (sending the Dayvig out). diddin Driving Dayvig sounds appealing, although giving it to WrathChild, not so much at all.

Regardless, without the Virus, the daykill is useless. There is one person who claimed information about the Virus, and he's not saying anything, so. >_>

Getting off of obnoxious speculation, who do you advocate lynching Today?

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nhammen, I'm actually kind of curious - why Saint for your N2 pass?

People tend to view my town play as painstakingly obvious when they are smart.
Nhammen is smart.
Nhammen views my town play as painstakingly obvious

Also, my night actions are typically amazing, when I'm around to send them in... or when the ability has them... if this one did.

This is the most confused I've ever seen you, Vi.

Basically, of the remaining 3-4 scum, I wouldn't be surprised if they're pushing CKD/us/WC today for a mislynch
That's my take on this game.

ALSO, the town needs to out who passed to who, what they passed, what was used, etc.
People are really getting by way too leniently, and people who just randomly claim to me are typically appearing town. That is why I'm sort of softclaiming defense on WC. He is just way too easy of a mislynch, and it has been tried all game. The only thing that is damning about it whatsoever is the fact that I haven't seen him flip, which implies it was deterred for a reason. There must have been more than one person leaning towards him being town, though, or he'd be dead.

My defense of CKD is thrown off by him not wanting to send that to TMH, but I'll admit that I was honestly reading TMH more as snarky town than I was reading him as unhelpful scum. He was actually helpful on D1, and I guess first impressions are everything. I have seen CKD play like this as town, in MoHO 1, and this fits that.

I feel like my reads have been all flip flopping, though. Hell, the fact that I've gone from passing the roleblocker ability, (omg, did he just claim something?!) which I used on DBE on N1 (which is why I was adamant on questioning DBE at the start of d2), to Q21, whereas I now find him to be scummy scum.

TMH flipping changes everything. It is like 9/11.

[Saint]

FoS

bunnylover

[Furcolow]

also, my defense on DGB is this:
very pro-town posting
MS177325 or whatever is listed as an Eruci in the game op
and that's her number
but, she COULD be an SK... Eruci SK... I doubt it, though, as she is listed as an Eruci. I know someone brought this up, though.

[Saint]

also, my defense on DGB is this:
very pro-town posting
MS177325 or whatever is listed as an Eruci in the game op
and that's her number
but, she COULD be an SK... Eruci SK... I doubt it, though, as she is listed as an Eruci. I know someone brought this up, though.

[DrippingGoofball]

Everyone please officially claim if you Purged Nero Cain or not last night.

I did not Purge Nero Cain Night 3

That's all very nice, except if the ability was randomized in the hands of scum, all they have to do is deny having got it, and I have a target on me. Plus, it was a suspicious

TOWNIE

that was shot last night, so I could look bad for having attacked Nero Cain, too.

[DrippingGoofball]

Bunnylover's 2043 is very scummy

WHY - I don't get it.

I view CKD as a very easy mislynch[...]:

1) his pressure on TMH

Not saying CKD is scum, but RedCoyote was rabid with TMH, and they were both scum so............

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q21 is uncharacteristically quiet. I think he's laying back waiting to go last, also, READ MY SIG etc. He needs a lynching.

[DrippingGoofball]

By "quiet" I mean that q21 hasn't really contributed anything to today's burst of discovery and dicussion.

*Therefore the Dayvig ability SHOULD be in the Void.

I've got you up to here

... well at least insomuch as the fact that at some point the dayvig must have been in the void.

USELESS IIoA.

This bit

confuses

me

a little

. I

guess

the

confusion

comes in where I agree that scum

would

want the dayvig to stay in the void and would therefore pass up the chance to retrieve it... but

how do we know

the scum ever had te chance to retrieve it. The retriever

could

have been with a townie yesterday and that townie

could

have taken the dayvig and Wrath's statement that it isn't in the void is perfectly reasonable.

Did I somehow

miss something

here

.
I

think

part of the

confusion

arises from my townread of Wrath which comes from his rather aggressive attack on the wagon that was taking pressure OFF him day 2 (the quadz wagon).

CONFUSES
CONFUSION
CONFUSION
Did I miss something
I guess
I think
would
could
could
a little

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Could we lynch this confused scum who is experiencing so much confusion with confusion. Did we miss something? I think he's scum, I guess. If I could know, I would know, and I could be a little less confused.

[Saint]

Everyone please officially claim if you Purged Nero Cain or not last night.

I did not Purge Nero Cain Night 3

That's all very nice, except if the ability was randomized in the hands of scum, all they have to do is deny having got it, and I have a target on me. Plus, it was a suspicious

TOWNIE

that was shot last night, so I could look bad for having attacked Nero Cain, too.

If you'll excuse me for potentially being wrong about game mechanics...

Nobody claimed the chkflip kill either. If whoever gets this extra kill is indeed randomized per Night, there is no downside whatsoever to that person claiming now as well.

In addition, it's quite plausible that chkflip, RedCoyote, and Nero Cain were all shots that were intended to hit scum, and while the Nero Cain shot was a bit on the suboptimal side it still wasn't obviously bad. If scum were using the shot, they could have picked far better (for them) targets each time.

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The case on ckd, as far as I care to be concerned, is that he failed to pass the Tree Stump to themanhimself-scum (which scum conveniently couldn't do), and it just so happened to land on the person driving the Town. While previously I said that he indeed did not post for four days onsite, that doesn't equate to him being completely offsite during that time, and the Tree Stump was something of a big deal.

On the other hand, I still think that a single-scumgroup ckd wouldn't have so openly suggested using it to clear Townies en masse. At this point I'm willing to defer to IAI, but I'm not optimistic.

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Apologies to WrathChild go here. I see no reason not to believe that the Daykill needs the Virus to work, though. If everyone has posted Today (and I'm too lazy to check) then the Virus should be beach-ball bouncing around right now if it's present at all. If that's not happening, passing abilities is always good if nothing else. Where the Virus went is a pointed question for

popsofctown

, again.

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I am not Furcolow, but Bunnylover's 2043 is strange in that he immediately says he doesn't like ckd's post. What, his "didn't have anything, will catch up later" post?

[DrippingGoofball]

Nobody claimed the chkflip kill either.

This player may no longer be with us.

The case on ckd, as far as I care to be concerned, is that he failed to pass the Tree Stump to themanhimself-scum (which scum conveniently couldn't do), and it just so happened to land on the person driving the Town.

Was CKD under attack himself when he was going after TMH and defending DBE? Scum under attack does tend to bus more.

I am not Furcolow, but Bunnylover's 2043 is strange in that he immediately says he doesn't like ckd's post. What, his "didn't have anything, will catch up later" post?

Anti-lurking sentiment? Or are you suggesting Bunnylover is bus'ing? Or going for an easy lynch?

[Saint]

Nobody claimed the chkflip kill either.

This player may no longer be with us.

Possibly. However, the person who liquidated Nero Cain -is- with us and I don't think the kill was motivated by scum.
There's nothing to lose by claiming if everything you've said so far is correct.

The case on ckd, as far as I care to be concerned, is that he failed to pass the Tree Stump to themanhimself-scum (which scum conveniently couldn't do), and it just so happened to land on the person driving the Town.

Was CKD under attack himself when he was going after TMH and defending DBE? Scum under attack does tend to bus more.

Funny, I don't remember saying anything about that. You brought it up, you check.

I am not Furcolow, but Bunnylover's 2043 is strange in that he immediately says he doesn't like ckd's post. What, his "didn't have anything, will catch up later" post?

Anti-lurking sentiment? Or are you suggesting Bunnylover is bus'ing? Or going for an easy lynch?

The third one.

[DrippingGoofball]

Nobody claimed the chkflip kill either.

This player may no longer be with us.

Possibly. However, the person who liquidated Nero Cain -is- with us and I don't think the kill was motivated by scum.
There's nothing to lose by claiming if everything you've said so far is correct.

Someone is going to claim it anyway, but seriously, if scum had it, they don't claim it, and I'm as good as dead.

Or going for an easy lynch?

The third one.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

And what do you think about Q21? I thought my case on his latest post was genius use of large fonts.

[Saint]

Nobody claimed the chkflip kill either.

This player may no longer be with us.

Possibly. However, the person who liquidated Nero Cain -is- with us and I don't think the kill was motivated by scum.
There's nothing to lose by claiming if everything you've said so far is correct.

Someone is going to claim it anyway,

but seriously,

if scum had it, they don't claim it,

and I'm as good as dead.

Okay, so I know I've played really badly ITT, but even I haven't contradicted myself in the same sentence for the sake of Spreading the Paranoia.

Or going for an easy lynch?

The third one.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

And what do you think about Q21? I thought my case on his latest post was genius use of large fonts.

The passage does seem awkwardly worded. Your artistic skill with differing fonts and colors is good as always.

Also and before you get carried away, "going for an easy lynch" doesn't make a comment on ckd's alignment.

[Saint]

Oh cool, q21's onsite. o.o

[DrippingGoofball]

...and he's gone.

[popsofctown]

Pops, why no answer?

I did answer.

Apologies to WrathChild go here. I see no reason not to believe that the Daykill needs the Virus to work, though. If everyone has posted Today (and I'm too lazy to check) then the Virus should be beach-ball bouncing around right now if it's present at all. If that's not happening, passing abilities is always good if nothing else. Where the Virus went is a pointed question for [/i][/color]

popsofctown

The virus could be bouncing within the scumteam, ever so silently. But either way, it's clearly not going to explode today, so the dayvig, if it's truly dependent, is useless.

[popsofctown]

Quotetag fail Those are Saintvi's words I responded to.

[Saint]

The virus

could be

bouncing within the scumteam, ever so silently. But either way, it's clearly not going to explode today, so the dayvig, if it's truly dependent, is useless.

Bolded words are the frustrating ones, because I know you have information you aren't letting on.

Plus if it's possible that the Virus is bouncing within the scumteam, then the last person we know it was passed to would have to be scum.

[I Am Innocent]

Pops, why no answer?

I did answer.

I just looked and can't find it. Thanks for wasting my time.

vote: Popsofctown