Mini 1107: Just a Game (Game Over)

[Hiraki]

That's close enough to a PR, doesn't matter though.

Can anyone confirm/disconfirm NS' role?

Btw. if someone does object, we don't need to fully massclaim. Unless my offhand math is wrong, a scum lynch today will give us a ML.

I'm probably wrong though.

[Riceballtail]

Anyone who could confirm his role would be dead Hiraki.

I'm quite VT.

[Neruz]

In a note unrelated to the massclaim, i think that ICE kill might actually have been mockingjaye now that he's flipped Vig.

[Withnail]

I'm a VT.

[Hiraki]

Did everyone that wanted to claim VT claim?

[sordros]

Well, I'm not a VT, is it time for PRs now?

[Hiraki]

I believe so.

I'm a Tracker. I have an already confirmed scum and a confirmed town, however, I want to see if I can get more, so I won't reveal anymore reports.

[Cecily]

I'm a town cop.

[sordros]

I'm a town doctor. I'm not going to share who I have tried to protect so far, but needless to say I have not been very successful so far.

[Hiraki]

Neruz.

Are you claiming a PR too?

Interesting.

[Neruz]

I am yes, unfortunately my claim is going to sound really scummy, but if Hiraki is so certain of his tracker results that won't matter.

I am a Jailkeeper.

[Neruz]

EBWOP: Also, i think, given the number of PR's who have claimed, at least one of them is probably scum. sordros's Doc claim seems really unlikely, as if that were true it would mean there were -three- protects (two mixed with blocks, but still protects) floating around for awhile there.

[Cecily]

I agree that I think at least one of the PR claims is scum, and I strongly believe that there is another one buried in the VT claims. I'd like to hear Hiraki's ideas from his tracker position and see how they compare with what I've gathered.

As of right now I believe that riceball is the scum claiming VT. With the VT claim, that means that he really didn't have any more super secret information than the rest of us and the fact that he is still withholding his reasons and voting me without information doesn't strike a good chord with me and seems like uber scummy behavior.

[Hiraki]

Good. I think there's a good chance I can disprove Cecily.

1) Cecily: Reports.

You had no guilties?

[Neruz]

I think we should get Cecily's investigation results first, as if we can confirm her as town through actions, they are by far the most powerful tools available to us.

[Nobody Special]

I am yes, unfortunately my claim is going to sound really scummy, but if Hiraki is so certain of his tracker results that won't matter.

I am a Jailkeeper.

I'm sorry if this is going to sound .... whatever, but I have a VERY difficult time believing that a game would have two Jailkeepers in it.

I'm going to look for some concrete stats on this before voting you, though.

I also agree that some of these PR claims are scum. This feels just far too imbalanced in favor of town.


(Oh, hi! I'm back from V/LA.)

[Neruz]

Yes. I know. Hence why i said the claim was going to sound scummy.
There is however, no reason why a game can't have two jailkeepers in the same way that there is no reason why a game can't have two of any other role; duplicate roles always look scummy, but do happen.

How about you hold off voting until we've at least heard from Hiraki and Cecily? Both can potentially indict scum perfectly, assuming they can be verified. Considering we're at a probable mylo, voting someone simply because of a duplicate claim is really stupid.

[sordros]

I agree that I think at least one of the PR claims is scum, and I strongly believe that there is another one buried in the VT claims. I'd like to hear Hiraki's ideas from his tracker position and see how they compare with what I've gathered.

As of right now I believe that riceball is the scum claiming VT. With the VT claim, that means that he really didn't have any more super secret information than the rest of us and the fact that he is still withholding his reasons and voting me without information doesn't strike a good chord with me and seems like uber scummy behavior.

I find this really scummy. Why instead of sharing your investigation reports of the last few night you just come up with suspicions?

I agree that I was also expecting some PR information from RBT's "mysteriousness" but I guess we can downplay that to a VT with a clever strategy that didn't want to spoil it before catching scum (which, by the way, it would be nice to hear now RBT...)

But after claiming being a cop, I think the next sensible thing would be to share whatever information you have gathered so far.

[Neruz]

I agree that I was also expecting some PR information from RBT's "mysteriousness" but I guess we can downplay that to a VT with a clever strategy that didn't want to spoil it before catching scum (which, by the way, it would be nice to hear now RBT...)

I doubt it very much. while i remain open to being amazed by some cunning strategy riceball concocted, i think it's far more likely he just pulled a VI, or a scum. Or possibly both.

[Riceballtail]

NS - PGO
RBT - VT
Withnail - VT
Hiraki - Tracker
Neruz - JK
Cecily - Cop
Sordros - Doc

1) Neruz needs to die.
2) Cecily and Hiraki need to give results

[Nobody Special]

While I can understand Neruz' wish to not be voted, I also know that one vote ain't gonna hurt. For now.

Vote: Neruz

[Withnail]

6.1 This is a setup for 12 players.
6.2 There may be one regular Serial Killer.
6.3 There is exactly one mafia faction.
6.4 There may be any number of following roles: Mafia Goon, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Framer, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Traitor, Mafia/Town Roleblocker, Mafia/Town (role/alignment-)Cop, Mafia/Town Doctor, Mafia/Town Tracker, Mafia/Town Watcher, Town Jailkeeper, Town Vigilante, Town Masons.

6.5 There may be one other role in the game which will either be Town or Mafia aligned. You might never have seen this role before.

6.6 There are at least three Vanilla Townies.

Do people think that Paranoid Gun Owner fits plausibly as the role mentioned in 6.5? If not, NS's claim looks dubious.

I

haven't seen this role before - but this is my first non-Newbie game, so I'm not a good judge. But it does strike me that NS's playstyle here is at odds with the way I'd expect a PGO to play. Acting mysteriously, as he has, surely risks getting an investigation from a town cop/PR - which would have disastrous results for the town.

[Cecily]

Night one I investigated ICEninja and came up with an innocent result, which really didn't matter considering he was killed that night anyways.
Night two I felt confident enough in my riceball argument that I wanted to figure out the next likely candidate so I checked Hiraki and also came up with an innocent result.
Last night I got a guilty result with riceballtail.

Hiraki, please share now.

[Tasky]

VOTECOUNT 4.1

Cecily (1/4): Riceballtail
Neruz (1/4): Nobody Special

Not Voting: Withnail, sordros, Cecily, Neruz, Hiraki

Deadline is Tuesday, 22.01, 13:00 CET

[Riceballtail]

Night one I investigated ICEninja and came up with an innocent result, which really didn't matter considering he was killed that night anyways.
Night two I felt confident enough in my riceball argument that I wanted to figure out the next likely candidate so I checked Hiraki and also came up with an innocent result.
Last night I got a guilty result with riceballtail.

Hiraki, please share now.

This is either extremely poor play, if you were town.

Lynch this liar.