Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

[DarlaBlueEyes]

sorry guys, been really busy this week. I'll try to get a post up tonight

[Llamarble]

@Emp: that wasn't actually an explanation.
I think the antitowns will be
A. Hunting the other antitowns.
B. Avoiding intractable situations unless they're sure they can get out of them.
C. Not eager to prevent mislynches, especially since if wrong they'll look like buddies.
D. Trying to do things that look unbelievable from scum.

Smashing things up the way Reck and GreyIce are make it difficult for scum to achieve B and makes them easier to catch doing C. It also may make situations where they attempt D and get caught faking such a thing.

@Tragedy: Well could you respond then?

BTW Darla and I are town because we're brash and fiery space heroes. Our types don't marry much and don't have a specific moon to be werewolfed by (death star doesn't count), which rules out membership in both factions.

[EmpTyger]

Those voting GreyIce:
What do you think about Llama?


Those voting Llama:
What do you think about GreyIce?


Llama:

I think the antitowns will be
A. Hunting the other antitowns.
B. Avoiding intractable situations unless they're sure they can get out of them.
C. Not eager to prevent mislynches, especially since if wrong they'll look like buddies.
D. Trying to do things that look unbelievable from scum.

Seems like your A-B-C of guilt describe both you and Darla very well, don’t they.
(And D too for you, if you count “putting the very things you yourself have done in a list of what antitowns would do”.)


GreyIce:

And now you know something that I consider one of the biggest towntells, and is nigh-impossible to fake (PO did something that looked like faking it in nearly her first post, and I've been eyeballing her ever since).

You decided PO was innocent back when you bent over backwards to clear Reckoner the first time, and you haven’t mentioned any “eyeballing” or anything since. The last you had to say on the matter was:

PO is a town read, and again explains some of espy's behavior, so my vote is now being stupid. Will review tonight and find a good spot for it.

Now you are conveniently claiming that you have been eyeballing her the entire time? I don’t believe you innocently decided to be silent about this alleged suspicion for most of D1. Especially when you only trot it out now as part of a yet-another bending over backwards defense of Reckoner.


silavor:

Reck's already given a lot of reasons why, but to summarize, he's spent the entire game criticizing others, then trying to build a case off of an argument that he didn't even read. Then his lover tells him to actually read the game, and he goes back to criticizing others.

(Not sure what you mean by “criticizing others”?) But how isn’t all that stuff town could do? Especially considering how many other players weren’t reading the case against q21.

And as for Reckoner’s “reasons”, you do realize that Reckoner’s reasons yesterday concluded that the antitowns were:
GreyIce (because of a false premise Reckoner was using, inadvertently or deliberately)
Haylen (whose alignment you presumably know to be innocent)
You (whose alignment you presumably know to be innocent)
Thingy (who Reckoner now says he doesn't think has done “anything that struck him as incredibly scummy”)
Kise (who Reckoner now says is town)
q21 (who was innocent)
Kcda

Might want to reconsider whether Reckoner’s “reasons” are what you want to be following.

[dramonic]

I LIIIIIIIVE!

Okay now, seriously.

I'm not a big fan of how Emptyger seems to be heavily focused on Reck/kise and Grey while mostly ignoring the other player slots. His play also comes of as very odd to me, not sure I'd call it scummy though.

Reck and Grey are both town though, so he might want to focus somewhere else. So are Tragedy and PO, whose post I greatly enjoy. I now have split feelings about the kdca/BS slot, as kdca is being very scummy, but BS is being fairly townish.

In other news, Silavor is scummy and coasting. At first he was like "yo reck you scummy dood, dont attack ma lovah", then he was like "so why do you guys find reck scummy?" and now he's like "yo reck's awesum, so I'll stop makin content and echo him."
The fact his lover (haylen-slot) is empty content-wise is a plus. It's even worst than me IMO. (but still better than my... lover... *shudder*)

Kise I'm reaaaaaaaally iffy on. Not sure I'd agree with you on that one Reck mlove.

I might be able to support a Llama/Darla case, but that will require ISOing of them from my part.

In the meantime

Vote: Silavor

oh, and ftr

Fun Fact: <<S'il vous plait>> means "Please do it" in French.

S'il vous plait means please (or more accurately, if it pleases you).

[vezokpiraka]

Why are we fighting about French?

[Espeonage]

Why are we fighting about French?

Dram is setting up a LaL case for late game.

[GreyICE]

Why are we fighting about French?

Dram is setting up a LaL case for late game.

That was the single most paranoid response I've seen to anything in this game.

[Mariyta]

Why are we fighting about French?

Dram is setting up a LaL case for late game.

That was the single most paranoid response I've seen to anything in this game.

If anyone gets lynched for that, it'll be my high school French teacher.

[xRECKONERx]

Why are we fighting about French?

Dram is setting up a LaL case for late game.

That was the single most paranoid response I've seen to anything in this game.

This is the single biggest "I missed the joke" response I've seen to anything in this game.

[Tragedy]

Why are we fighting about French?

Dram is setting up a LaL case for late game.

That was the single most paranoid response I've seen to anything in this game.

This is the single biggest "I missed the joke" response I've seen to anything in this game.

I blame France for dominating a part of Canada!

[Mariyta]

*mumbles something about snooty Quebecians*

Anyhoo, let's get back to lynching Llamarble, shall we?

[Llamarble]

Uh, I was _not_ in favor of the Umbrage lynch, so I don't see how you can accuse me of doing C.
And A is scumhunting, which I will freely admit to having done.
As for B, I haven't found myself in any weird situations yet, sure. That doesn't really happen all that often in general though.

[Tragedy]

Well, you did say you ignored/defended them after being convinced they follow what you said, though.

[Purple Orange]

@ kcdaspot:

Read Kise's ISO.

Was this "read" as in "you guys need to go read Kise's ISO," or "read" as in, "I just read (past tense) Kise's ISO"?

For some reason Haylen and silva, and Dram and wererwolf stick out in my mind....

Why did they stick in your mind then? You mention dram and wolf later; do Haylen and silva still stand out to you?

don't know if I like dram's/werewolf's contributions as of late.

What don't you like about dram/wolf recently?

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@vezok:

I still think Kise is gambiting scum.

Do you still think this? Why/why not?

[Purple Orange]

@ silavor:

What happened inbetween these:

Meanwhile, it's entirely possible that Kise thought he was remembering a conversation he'd had with Reck, when it was really a conversation with someone else. I'd like to hear Kise's side before passing any judgement.

Then, of course, you leap straight off Haylen and on to Kise for what could very well be a total misunderstanding. Or it could be a blatant lie and Kise is totally scum, I really don't know, but I don't want to jump to conclusions about Kise just yet.

And this?

One of you is lying, and unlike you I'm not totally convinced you're the innocent one.

What is your position now?

[silavor]

Um... PO, I don't see anything different about my opinion in between the second and third quote. Did you have a point you were trying to make with those?

My position now is to pretty much ignore the reck/kise thing, because I just don't see how it helps us determine if either of them are scum or not. Personally, it feels like a town vs town argument to me when I read it all the way through in one go, so I'd rather focus on what Kise and reck do now, rather than what they did during the AIM debacle.

Dram, could you please point out to me where I said reck was scummy? Note how I never voted him, or dropped even a single FOS during our whole back-and-forth. I wanted to get to the bottom of the situation, and once I learned that reck's always like this and to not take what he says personally it became rather obvious to me that he wasn't being scummy at all. My vote was on q21 the entire time, because despite all the arguing reck did with everyone, there wasn't a case to be made on him, unlike q21 and umbrage who really were acting super scummy.

[Purple Orange]

Err...so you don't see any incompatablity between the statements "it could very well be a total misunderstanding, or it could be a blatant lie, or whatever" and "one of you is lying"? Either it's a misunderstanding, meaning NO ONE IS LYING, or one of the two is lying. You leave the "misunderstanding" possibility open in the first two, and then completely abandon it in the third, joining the ranks of the diehard "one of them has to be lying" people, as far as I can tell.

[Antihero]

*mumbles something about snooty Quebecians*

Anyhoo, let's get back to lynching Llamarble, shall we?

Do I need to come up for a cute nickname for when

you're

scum?

[vezokpiraka]

I don't think that about Kise now. Actually I think he is town now.

[xRECKONERx]

When did that change?

[vezokpiraka]

Sometime where he said he made a mistake and you agreed with that.

[xRECKONERx]

No, I meant, point to a post where you showed your change in opinion.

[vezokpiraka]

I didn't show my change in opinion.

My opinion changed but I didn't say it in thread.

[xRECKONERx]

God dammit, vezok's town.

[Nero Cain]

back from V/LA so I'll get a post up ASAP.