Perhaps it is the frequency with which you've made excuses for his play, starting from your first post. Also, I think meta is a very weak reason to defend another player, particularly someone as unstable as Furcolow. I also think that he is acting according to his scum meta, just like you described it:ThAdmiral #650 wrote:Anyway - I think me and Furc are on the same team. The town team. I already explained why I think Furc is town based on meta and our previous games together. I don't see what is so hard to understand/scummy about that.
I don't agree on the activity part, Furcolow is active regardless of alignment. In Ohne Mafia, as scum, he had more posts over a shorter period of time than here. I can't say I've seen him give many town reads, but he has thrown scum accusations left and right, especially at people who were on his wagon or who suspect him. He has also given weak or no explanations for his suspects, and his latest accusation of Stephoscope is a prime example of a weak case on a soft target, his accusation being almost pure OMGUS because Stephoscope agreed with my case on him.ThAdmiral #361 wrote:As town he seems to be more active, seems to more actively participate in scum hunting and questioning, has larger posts and generally seems to be more involved in the game. He also is more likely to claim that someone is town in his eyes.
As scum his posts are shorter, he seems to throw out a lot more one liners that don't really push things forward but rather comment mildly on what is going on, he generally goes after softer targets, like inactives, or pursues weak cases that he doesn't bother explaining all that well. He also is more likely to claim someone is scum in his eyes.
It looks to me as if Furcolow's play here fits your description of his scum meta much better than his town meta. I have trouble understanding how you could see it otherwise, unless you're scum with him. Nevertheless, it is not because of meta that I believe he is scum, it is his actions I wrote a case of, and I consider Furcolow far too unstable for his meta to clear him in any way.
If you think she was, then what about Furcolow and his threat to self-vote? It is from things like this that I began to suspect that double standard.ThAdmiral #650 wrote:She soooo was being a drama queen. And I soooo have been sharing my opinions on tonnes of stuff this game.
You know what? I agree the case on you is weak. In my post I tried to explain what I found scummy about you, but apart from the double standard thing, there was nothing major, just many little things I interpreted as scummy with nothing on the other side of the scale. If it were not for the stuff about Furcolow, I would have much less reason to suspect you. Of course I would prefer Furcolow to die first, but since the town seems unwilling, you are my second best choice. I believe Amrun is town, mothrax is mostly null, and to me you look scummier than either of them.ThAdmiral #650 wrote:This is bang on the money. I felt there was something weak/wrong/bad about the cases on me for a while now but couldn't quite put my finger on it, but this is it.
I have to admit though that mothrax/jmj3000 looks scummier after Artem posted some more meta on him, and mothrax not posting after Thursday does not help. I'm willing to switch to him, and the longer he delays, the better I am going to feel about that.
Back to Furcolow:
No, it is not. RedCoyote did say the game needed a claim. Stephoscope was replying to that post when he agreed on that. His response to LMP is fine. He has posted too little for me to have a read on him, but a case this feeble does not influence my read of him, except maybe positively if Furcolow flips scum.Furcolow #649 wrote:I don't really like this post from Stephoscope. It is very defensive.Stephoscope wrote:Please note that I was responding to RedCoyote's post 585 in particular, and in that post he discusses the need for a claim.LynchMePls wrote:That's fascinating, because we were talking about a lynch, not a claim.Stephoscope wrote:I agree the game sorely needs a claim.
Why do you keep assuming only scum would have reason to suspect you? This post makes your vote look like an OMGUS. And where the hell did you get Godfather from? Are you just making this stuff up?Furcolow #649 wrote:I know talking to me can be like talking to a wall, when it comes to middle ground, but are you positive you won't rectify your position and situation with me? I am pretty sure that the only reason you would be setting me up like I've seen from you this game is that you would want to mislynch me easily as scum after lurking through Day 1 as the Godfather with little or no suspicions put onto you whatsoever.
What are you doing? This looks like you are just feeling out whether it is safe to false claim Veteran, or possibly role fishing again. Seriously, was there a point to any of what you said here?Furcolow #649 wrote:I am also for claiming. Like say I was a Bulletproof, what would that do to the setup? I have also heard of this role being called a Veteran. If I was a Veteran, and had two night lives, it might be wise to claim and setup a circle if there were direct ways of directing via whispering/personal messages. I do not see us having that ability here, so it might not be safe to put all of our pieces out on the table yet.
I was considering claiming Veteran publicly, but I am going to just sit back for now.
