Cold War Mafia - GAME OVER!!

[bvoigt]

Yup.

[bvoigt]

Were you scum?

[Amrun]

No. I'm not.

And you're scummy for hammering the way you did and ending day early. I hope they go after you next.

[gonnano]

I hope Amrun's just messing around. I really can't see at all from a flavor point of view (or any other POV) how McCarthy could be considered anything but a threat to the peace.

[Amrun]

Once again, it's not my problem. Did I make this set up? No.

[LlamaFluff]

I already govenored him so its all good. When I said we needed a lynch I ment a good lynch, not a stupid mislynch.

[Amrun]

Okay, if that is true, does anyone have any requests for who I should silence tomorrow?

[Nachomamma8]

bvoigt >.>

[Nachomamma8]

Can we lynch ThAdmiral now?

[Feysal]

That was a close one... pity that a governor ability was needed.

If I had to name one player whose votes we could do without, it is Furcolow. But then, I would prefer him lynched rather than silenced.

Oh, and something about flavor I've been thinking about... while I agree that some roles are more likely to be scum flavor-wise, I don't think we can trust that blindly. Flavor is no substitute for scumhunting. Roles as different as John F Kennedy and Richard Nixon might be just as likely to be scum. Until we get more information from flips, I am going to be looking at the way people have played, not at the flavor.

[Beasts of the Sea]

A few more pages down.

I do have a question for you though - if Thad flips town, then what's your opinion on gonnano? Isn't it still possible he's scum?

Of course its still possible.

I typically don't like discussing hypothetical situations based on unflipped people, but this response got me interested. Of course anything is possible, but do you think it is likely?

@Everyone else: Can you give any reason why Furcolow should not be lynched after all this?

Because he is town. I've read enough games with him in them to know. Self preservation is his MO as town, so that portion of you case is null.

^^ Top two outlined solid cases in a way that really came off as town to me. LF, on the other hand, shut down discussion in a strange way, but he shut down discussion on PI, and as I KNOW "I" am town, there is no possible scumtell in this for me. Scum simply would not do that.

Your top three top reads are based on two of them building a case on your slot and the other one for shutting down case building on your player slot?

I have heard of buddying, but why on earth would scum townbuddy to someone who is the top candidate for lynching?

Scum town-buddying a good lynch candidate, if done well, is gold for them because he didn't contribute to the lynch and looks like he was supporting the person getting lynched.

My character was someone I might expect to see on scumside, but he's town.

When you said this were you thinking about General McArthur or McCarthy?

Anyway, you have a point in that a ThAd flip would most likely yield nice results both from his flip itself as well as from analysis. And my Jmj vote doesn't do much if Jmj isn't really here. Other than that, the case against ThAd is a good one, and his defense wasn't such as to deter me enough from his wagon. My hesitation to get on it was his (to me, it seemed) tunneling of me. It tends to be a townie move when someone tunnels. Also, inb4 someone screams OMGUS.

Unvote

VOTE: ThAd

Bah for the "benefits of lynching someone even if they flip town" justification for voting. Plus the preemptive "this is OMGUS and I said it first so it does not matter" and the weak "I'm trying to be original" jump on the wagon.

Her posts read as calm and collected while under pressure, kind of similar to her predecessor. She's reading as town to me.

Calm and collected is not a town tell.

Why is ThAd still alive?

Who are you?

Anyways, fuck it. I'm tired of waiting for content from jmj, he's a nullread right now anyways, and I don't care if a newer high scumread of mine is pushing the wagon.

Vote: jmj

Give content or replace out.

I have had it up to here with everyone voting for people who are not their top suspects or most likely scum reads. It is batshit crazy. And we wonder why there are 11 different "wagons." It's pretty obvious that one vote wonder wagons are not achieving anything... AT ALL. Let me suggest something crazy: vote for scum.

Also, regarding the last comment in the quote: what do you think of EGL?

[Nachomamma8]

JOHN F KENNEDY IS NO SCUM YOU BASTARD

[bvoigt]

I was already voting Amrun...maybe she realized that it was an actual hammer, but the reaction feels sincere to me.

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: ThAdmiral

This time, the vote is staying here for good.

[LlamaFluff]

haha awesome

786 is the truth

[gonnano]

smooth move, bvoigt.

[gonnano]

I've got some things to think about, so I'm returning my vote for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mothrax

If indeed McCarthy is town, then I'm with Feysal about not trusting flavor.

[Scott Brosius]

That was a close one... pity that a governor ability was needed.

This really reads as scum knowing that Amrun is scum and trying to get town points for it. "That was a close one...." really rubs me the wrong way.

[LlamaFluff]

Actually if one should be rubbing you the wrong way its gonnao again. Jumped on almost purely for flavor after the PR claim then backed off gambit revealed. Feysal is very likely town.

[bvoigt]

That was a close one... pity that a governor ability was needed.

This really reads as scum knowing that Amrun is scum and trying to get town points for it. "That was a close one...." really rubs me the wrong way.

I'm not buying it, Scott. This post was made after I "hammered" someone whom he'd been defending for a while, and denied being scum when I asked her specifically.

Preview Edit: I agree with LlamaFluff.

[LlamaFluff]

I will reitterate that regardless of flip gonnao needs a bullet. Not an investigation, not someone to keep an eye on him a bullet.

[Amrun]

@BoS:

I never confused anything but names, as MacArthur wasn't even an actual presence in the Cold War. So yes, I was thinking of McCarthy.

Yes, my top reads are based on reactions to my wagon. Using the knowledge of my own role seems the safest way to hunt to me, at least in this situation where I replaced into a game where there was already a wagon on me.

I do plan on doing a re-read as soon as I have time and hope to give a new set of reads at that time, taking into consideration the activity since then. This probably won't happen until late Tuesday night or Wednesday afternoon, though. I'm a little crunched for time as far as something that intensive goes. The first read through took several hours and I anticipate the next one taking longer.


re: gonnano

He is giving me scum pings, but I have to admit, I don't have any specific reason for this. I plan to address this upon re-read.

[Amrun]

re: gonnano

I meant I don't have any specific reasons besides what I noted on the last page.

[Scott Brosius]

That was a close one... pity that a governor ability was needed.

This really reads as scum knowing that Amrun is scum and trying to get town points for it. "That was a close one...." really rubs me the wrong way.

I'm not buying it, Scott. This post was made after I "hammered" someone whom he'd been defending for a while, and denied being scum when I asked her specifically.

Preview Edit: I agree with LlamaFluff.

You rarely see scum admit to being scum, even in twilight. Feysal's post reads as more certainty than a town member should have in my opinion.

[gonnano]

Seriously, though, if I were McCarthy and town I would make up a new name just because of the negative connotations that the name McCarthy carries. It's a lynch on sight kind of name.

The whole claim situation is weird to begin with, anyway. Why make such a dangerous claim when there are still other viable wagons?

I can see why it looks like I'm waffling with my vote. The truth is that PI and JMJ have been and still are very similar in terms of scumminess in my mind. I was just as willing to vote either of them based on their posting, but the initial behavior of PI's wagon got me leaning toward JMJ. Then Amrun came along and basically claimed Hitler, so my priorities shifted. Right now I'm leaving my vote where it was before this whole mess started until I figure out what to make of Amrun's reaction to what she (and I) thought was a hammer vote.

Hope that clears things up and/or gives people something to ignore just like all my other explanations.

also, nacho got me thinking...

It could be that some roles are threats to the peace for only certain groups. For example, JFK could be a threat to peace for communist characters because of his role in the Cuban Missile Crisis, but not to capitalist ones.
Then there would be more room for crazy things like McCarthy not being scum.

[gonnano]

@ Llama/ anyone else who has been calling for my death:

Could I see a general overview of the points against me, along with why a scum motivation for each is more likely than the reasoning that I have given for my actions? If there's something that I haven't explained I'd be happy to do so.