Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[popsofctown]

q21 did absolutely no posting in the neighbor QT last night, which is a bit of a change from previous nights. It seems like he had given up or otherwise knew that he'd get purged for sure. Something to note.

Do you folks want a copy paste of the whole neighbor thread? Was q21, implosion, myself, and ckd, although due to the way the ability works ckd was never allowed to post.

[popsofctown]

the scum have already seen it i suppose, so zero reason not to copy paste it. Will do so after class, gotta go. Or implosion can do it.

[LimMePls]

town win.

I think we should do a full massclaim. At this point we should be able to POE this game to an auto win. I'll entertain objections to this idea from IAI and implosion, plus any other CONFIRMED townies that I'm forgetting.

Also, I have notes from some reading I did last night. Posting that in my next post.

[LimMePls]

q21 did absolutely no posting in the neighbor QT last night, which is a bit of a change from previous nights. It seems like he had given up or otherwise knew that he'd get purged for sure. Something to note.

Do you folks want a copy paste of the whole neighbor thread? Was q21, implosion, myself, and ckd, although due to the way the ability works ckd was never allowed to post.

In most games quoting QTs can be a mod-killable offense. Please check with the mod before doing this.

[LimMePls]

I did some rereading during the night phase (not the full game, but some specific key events). Here are a few interesting bits I found from early D2:

@TMH case: I don't understand why it was scummy to take diddin's daykill power.

Trying to save tmh.

I passed my ability on.
MoI passed his ability to me. It is clear what ability he had.

Explain how this is possible if MoI died which should have happened before any ability cycling went on.



TMH passed his power to diddin it seems, therefore they cannot be scum together. Both, though, are scummy, but there is the potential to clear (at least mostly) one by lynching the other. TMH is currently in possession of a very protown power, for all that he gave it to himself, and diddin is in possession of a proscum power. Therefore I'm going to start the day with a diddin vote.

Vote diddin

q21 is scum. The vig/SK should have already taken care of this, but I'm noting it anyways. If q21 is still alive and DGB is dead, he is ABSOLUTELY our lynch.

This is such scummy posting. Feeling equally comfortable with two available lynches is legitimately possible for a townie, but I expect that position more from scum. Reminds me of my rather crappy SK play.

I await your glorious defense of themanhimself as the townie to end all townies. No? I'm exaggerating? Okay, maybe a little, but you get my point. Don't start tooting this horn if you're not going to stand up for it. I started theman wagon yesterday. I was one of the first to really call out Power for his nonsense yesterday as well (although I'll concede that there were others that were pushing for him stronger than I was). Unless you're prepared to man up and say that one (or both) of these positions is fake, then don't give me this mousy, theoretical mumbo jumbo about what I would and wouldn't do as a townie.

My vote, frankly, may be influenced by how these other votes end up going."
The phrasing here makes this not at all sound like "I'll help whichever needs a hammer at deadline", which would be much more ok.

As a townie, this influence should never happen, unless you think Bunnylover and nhammen significantly better at mafia than you are. There's no reason for it except to be in a popular place to be be, which is a scummy desire.

They're REASONING can influence you, and perhaps that's what made this seem ok to let slip. But you said votes, you didn't say you'd like to hear what they had to say.

An all of that aside, even if a gameplan of proxying your vote to the most popular wagon is proper pro town play, there's no reason to warn us that "my vote may be influenced by how these other votes end up going". We'll find out if it causes a change when we find out if it causes a change. Reading that you might sheep on nhammen's and Bunnylovers decisions doesn't make me have to replan how I play the game. Your vote is where it is, and it's possible it can change. That's always the case.

You're reading into this what I was worried might have been read into this statement from the moment I hit submit. nhammen and Bunny needed to make their positions known especially, above all other players at that point. When I said their votes would influence mine, I meant it, but not in the way you're assuming. In no way am I claiming nhammen and Bunny are sure townies here. Their votes wouldn't necessarily have influenced mine in the sense that I was going to vote with them, but that understanding which argument/wagon spoke to them more as replacements would help me assess which lynch showed more promise. Unfortunately, this decision was made before I really got the chance to continue on the issue.

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A lot has happened, and I'm looking forward to reading what all has occurred since the day has started. I really wanted to make this post though because I don't think pops was being very fair with me in that post. I think he made it off the cuff and I hope this clarifies it a bit.

This stuff reads like safe distancing to me. pops never responds to this post, and instead gets into it with IAI. Neither slot ever voted the other. Also, see this chain of posts (on page 38) for more safe distancing between pops and a confirmed scum (ckd): 929, 930, 933. Look through pops ISO and it is LITTERED with safe distancing from RC, tmh, ckd, and q21. If anyone doesn't believe me on this, or is too lazy to do it, I'll go back through and do it myself, but it is litterally EVERYWHERE in that ISO. Lastly, pops was one of the ones pushing Bunnylover's "slip" early D2 as a reason to force Bunnylover to "eat the virus". Saint and SC were also involved in this. I'm pretty sure if there's still scum, one of the players doing that is it. Since pops has all the other connections, it's pretty much a guarantee at this point. If q21 death happened, DGB died, and the game is still going, pops is certainly the last scum.

[LimMePls]

I think, given DGB's still living, that either he is bulletproof SK, or scum tried to hit a confirmed townie and got blocked. Since DGB still lives, I think the number one issue facing the town today is:

DGB - SK or Vig?

@DGB: Would you object to your lynch at this stage in the game?

[DrippingGoofball]

q21

was in possession of the

Treestump

ability.

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BULLSEYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DGB strikes again!

[DrippingGoofball]

I think, given DGB's still living...

Didn't you pass me a certain ability last night... or was it someone else?

In any event, the ability you received, you got from me, so that should answer your question.

[DrippingGoofball]

There's still scum left. It's pops. I would very much like to apply the hammer to pops.

[Bunnylover]

I think, given DGB's still living, that either he is bulletproof SK, or scum tried to hit a confirmed townie and got blocked. Since DGB still lives, I think the number one issue facing the town today is:

DGB - SK or Vig?

@DGB: Would you object to your lynch at this stage in the game?

If the Doctor ability is no longer in play, then the conclusion must be that DGB is Bulletproof. A bulletproof, unpassable, vig? No.

[DrippingGoofball]

If the Doctor ability is no longer in play, then the conclusion must be that DGB is Bulletproof. A bulletproof, unpassable, vig? No.

Gah! Think. There's more than just one way. LMP will explain it to you, if you can be a little patient and wait for his arrival.

[popsofctown]

I did some rereading during the night phase (not the full game, but some specific key events). Here are a few interesting bits I found from early D2:

@TMH case: I don't understand why it was scummy to take diddin's daykill power.

Trying to save tmh.

I passed my ability on.
MoI passed his ability to me. It is clear what ability he had.

Explain how this is possible if MoI died which should have happened before any ability cycling went on.



TMH passed his power to diddin it seems, therefore they cannot be scum together. Both, though, are scummy, but there is the potential to clear (at least mostly) one by lynching the other. TMH is currently in possession of a very protown power, for all that he gave it to himself, and diddin is in possession of a proscum power. Therefore I'm going to start the day with a diddin vote.

Vote diddin

q21 is scum. The vig/SK should have already taken care of this, but I'm noting it anyways. If q21 is still alive and DGB is dead, he is ABSOLUTELY our lynch.

This is such scummy posting. Feeling equally comfortable with two available lynches is legitimately possible for a townie, but I expect that position more from scum. Reminds me of my rather crappy SK play.

I await your glorious defense of themanhimself as the townie to end all townies. No? I'm exaggerating? Okay, maybe a little, but you get my point. Don't start tooting this horn if you're not going to stand up for it. I started theman wagon yesterday. I was one of the first to really call out Power for his nonsense yesterday as well (although I'll concede that there were others that were pushing for him stronger than I was). Unless you're prepared to man up and say that one (or both) of these positions is fake, then don't give me this mousy, theoretical mumbo jumbo about what I would and wouldn't do as a townie.

My vote, frankly, may be influenced by how these other votes end up going."
The phrasing here makes this not at all sound like "I'll help whichever needs a hammer at deadline", which would be much more ok.

As a townie, this influence should never happen, unless you think Bunnylover and nhammen significantly better at mafia than you are. There's no reason for it except to be in a popular place to be be, which is a scummy desire.

They're REASONING can influence you, and perhaps that's what made this seem ok to let slip. But you said votes, you didn't say you'd like to hear what they had to say.

An all of that aside, even if a gameplan of proxying your vote to the most popular wagon is proper pro town play, there's no reason to warn us that "my vote may be influenced by how these other votes end up going". We'll find out if it causes a change when we find out if it causes a change. Reading that you might sheep on nhammen's and Bunnylovers decisions doesn't make me have to replan how I play the game. Your vote is where it is, and it's possible it can change. That's always the case.

You're reading into this what I was worried might have been read into this statement from the moment I hit submit. nhammen and Bunny needed to make their positions known especially, above all other players at that point. When I said their votes would influence mine, I meant it, but not in the way you're assuming. In no way am I claiming nhammen and Bunny are sure townies here. Their votes wouldn't necessarily have influenced mine in the sense that I was going to vote with them, but that understanding which argument/wagon spoke to them more as replacements would help me assess which lynch showed more promise. Unfortunately, this decision was made before I really got the chance to continue on the issue.

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A lot has happened, and I'm looking forward to reading what all has occurred since the day has started. I really wanted to make this post though because I don't think pops was being very fair with me in that post. I think he made it off the cuff and I hope this clarifies it a bit.

This stuff reads like safe distancing to me. pops never responds to this post, and instead gets into it with IAI. Neither slot ever voted the other. Also, see this chain of posts (on page 38) for more safe distancing between pops and a confirmed scum (ckd): 929, 930, 933. Look through pops ISO and it is LITTERED with safe distancing from RC, tmh, ckd, and q21. If anyone doesn't believe me on this, or is too lazy to do it, I'll go back through and do it myself, but it is litterally EVERYWHERE in that ISO. Lastly, pops was one of the ones pushing Bunnylover's "slip" early D2 as a reason to force Bunnylover to "eat the virus". Saint and SC were also involved in this. I'm pretty sure if there's still scum, one of the players doing that is it. Since pops has all the other connections, it's pretty much a guarantee at this point. If q21 death happened, DGB died, and the game is still going, pops is certainly the last scum.

orly

There's still scum left. It's pops. I would very much like to apply the hammer to pops.

orly

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on these new most new and dangerous ideas before I offer any sort of defense, actually.

@BunnyLover: the removed-from-game roleblocker is still usable by the removed-from-game joat, so that's one way. Not that DGB isn't scum. Who do you think are good lynch cantidates for today, Adorer of Rabbits?

[StrangerCoug]

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on these new most new and dangerous ideas before I offer any sort of defense, actually.

I'm not inclined to believe anything DrippingGoofball says anymore as she is my SK suspect. As for LynchMePls, I can see his case on you and I'm currently deciding how to go about this. Saint is my only strong read other than her.

[popsofctown]

Ah, typoed an extra new in there. I look so uneducated. Though not as uneducated as the girl in my Spanish project group who said that "pin" and "pen" sound the same, and, what's worse, went on to say that "whale" and "well" sound the same. She pronounced both of those as well. As a grammar stickler I almost had to run screaming from the room.

[WrathChild]

Neighborizer (q21/nhammen -> implosion -> Pops -> Q21)

Is this right?

[popsofctown]

Thanks for your input StrangerCoug. No further compliance information is required or will be provided, and you are an excellent test subject!

[popsofctown]

Wrathchild you just lost the game.

[WrathChild]

Wrathchild you just lost the game.

Expand?

[WrathChild]

Neighborizer (q21/nhammen -> implosion -> Pops -> Q21)

Is this right?

My bad:

Neighborizer (q21/nhammen -> implosion -> Pops -> CKD)

All scum look the same

[WrathChild]

Am I missing something here? Wouldn't this mean Pops is town?

[popsofctown]

Wrathchild you totally need to avatar this if I win this game for you:



No child hath more wrath.

[popsofctown]

I meant you lost the game as in a reference to the meme.

A manner in which I meant to metaphorically express that you ruined a pristine state no one was aware of.

Brownies?

[WrathChild]

I'm so confused.

[popsofctown]

q21 started with the PR, not nhammen. Then he chose to pass it to implosion, which from the getgo was as scummy as my roommate's toilet plunger.

[popsofctown]

Here is a Persim Berry to cure your confusion: .