Open 272 - Near-Vanilla (Over!)

inHimshallibe · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:48 am

Sorry, just saw the SSS request. My apologies. Replacing now.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:10 am

Official Day 2 Vote Tally

11 players remain; 6 votes needed for a lynch.

AntB (4)

- Bella, DavidParker, andrew94, smashbro_of_the_SSS

smashbro_of_the_SSS (1)

- brokenscraps

brokenscraps (1)

- Looker

Archer (1)

- Egg

farside22 (1)

- AntB

Looker (1)

- lord_hur

Yet to vote (2): Archer, farside22
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Replacing

: smashbro_of_the_SSS

Bella · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:22 am

So, exactly why has the AntB wagon stalled? There are enough people who aren't voting for him who agree that there's scumminess there. What's the problem? How can I help you lynch scum?

Archer · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:34 am

Bella wrote:So, exactly why has the AntB wagon stalled? There are enough people who aren't voting for him who agree that there's scumminess there. What's the problem? How can I help you lynch scum?

I'm waiting to see what the SotS replacement has to say and am in no rush for a lynch. He/she may have something new to add, and I'd rather wait a day or two or three to hear it. This is the second time you have tried to push this along. Why are you in such a rush?

farside22 · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:23 pm

Bella wrote:So, exactly why has the AntB wagon stalled? There are enough people who aren't voting for him who agree that there's scumminess there. What's the problem? How can I help you lynch scum?

I'm waiting for a replacement. Every player slot should be filled before we go to night.

andrew94 · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:06 pm

farside22 wrote:
andrew94 wrote:i believe farsides explanation of her having lord hur as a town read (alothough lord hur aint a town read to me) to be saying 'i think'/

atnb just pushing dirt on anyone he can
Do you believe lord hur is scum? What conclusion do you have of Bella or Archer?

yes i think lord hur is scummy.

archer i dunno

bella is slightly scummy due to the post about davidparker

AntB · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:09 pm

Farside22 wrote:Well aren't you the hypocritical scum man. First it's wrong to meta you and aparently your lack of case means nothing here. Then it's wrong for me to miss a meta that you OMGUS people? Seriously this is your best case.

farside22 wrote:@Archer: You completely missed the point. He's attacking that meta is weak reasoning but complains about missing the OMGUS. You can't have both ways. It's weak, weak reasoning.

I never said it was wrong to meta me, I just find it a bad and flawed way to build cases. Some people swear on it however and will build the majority of their case on it. Your essentially saying that because I don't like using meta, I can't defend against it in any way. If someone is going to-meta case me then I expect it to be done properly. Your choosing which bits suit you when they suit you. Then attacking me for pulling you on it.

AntB wrote:Morale: Meta sucks unless you take
EVERYTHING
into account.

Farside22 wrote:You need to work on being scum better.

While also true, you need to stop pushing an apparent easy lynch, scum. You probably want to tell Bella to back down a touch in your QT tonight. Her case is worse than any of mine. Yet, your ISO is full of pseudo-defences for her, you attack people for attacking her and subtly defend her against everything... Search Bella in her ISO, please don't tell me its just me seeing this.

@lord_hur:

farside22 wrote:I want to remind people in case AntBscum tries to fake claim what he said earlier in the game.
AntB wrote: I will happily die (and even self hammer) if my flip will provide sufficient information, and even as scum if I feel it will throw the trail off my scumbuddies. However, my death now will provide nothing but a lot of "meh!"

That's an AtE resurrection, which (As I've stated before) is IMO just an attempt to stir up and lynch me. Why would any town post this, when she posted it? Why not just bring it up if/when I try to fakeout what I said earlier?

Farside wrote:Lets add OMGUS to more bad scum hunting to the list.

AntB wrote:And you only just notice? You do all that meta-hunting, and despite me and nacho having a brief conversation about it earlier you bring it up as a fresh point.

Me and nacho wrote:
Nachomamm8 #126 wrote: AntB being a little prone to OMGUS at times[...][AntB]'s prone to OMGUS

AntB #129 wrote:The only consistency being, I like OMGUS

Nachomamma8 #128 wrote:he only things I used to conclude from your meta is that you're not a fucking terrible player, and that you're prone to OMGUS.

If she missed this then she loses all ground for attacking me for not reading the game...

@Archer

Archer wrote:Farside was asked to explain it all, hardly brought it up herself. This is a big reach if you are really using it as part of your reasoning

Looking back, no she wasn't. She brought it up herself.

farside22 · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:19 pm

andrew94 wrote:
farside22 wrote:
andrew94 wrote:i believe farsides explanation of her having lord hur as a town read (alothough lord hur aint a town read to me) to be saying 'i think'/

atnb just pushing dirt on anyone he can
Do you believe lord hur is scum? What conclusion do you have of Bella or Archer?
yes i think lord hur is scummy.

archer i dunno

bella is slightly scummy due to the post about davidparker

Why do you think LH is scummy?

lord_hur · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:07 pm

@AntB: Both points are irrelevant to the question I asked. The first could not be brought up until you were in claiming range (and you just copy/pasted my own argument, which also has nothing to do with my question). And for the second, you OMGUS'ed her just now, so she could not bring it up earlier (and it was a very minor point for her).

Imho, if you're town, you're lynchbait, and you made it way too obvious for scum to know that you're VT. You soft-claimed (and claimed) way too easily. I'm rather of the opinion that VT should keep their role to their grave.

andrew94 · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:19 pm

lh is scummy because of hes overcase on farside

AntB · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:02 pm

Lord_Hur wrote:This is the only point of your argumentation that I find any value in, yet it is not precise enough. Can you link me these "old points", please?

Which I did.

The claim was called, so I provided. Giving the impression of VT is always a good thing IMO as it deceives town or fools scum.

lord_hur · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:38 am

AntB wrote:The claim was called, so I provided. Giving the impression of VT is always a good thing IMO as it deceives town or fools scum.

- Called? How do you know farside22 isn't scum fishing for roles? If Egg asked for it, I would consider it. Not from unconfirmed town.
- Giving the impression of VT is good when you play a PR, otherwise you should try to appear to be a PR to attract NKs (which is really hard, but rewarding). Take Nachomamma8 : I officially consider him an excellent player now. For two games in a row as VT, he nailed scum D1 AND managed to get NKed N1. This is the best you can do as VT.
- You should not deceive town, when playing town, unless you're a great player, which you are not (yet).

farside22 · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:52 am

andrew94 wrote:lh is scummy because of hes overcase on farside

Meh I see LH's play as paranoid more then scummy. That's my two cents.

@AntB - I'm human, I will miss things and I don't have time to reread the game over and over. That doesn't = scummy. That is basically your case on me right now.

farside22 · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:59 am

That's an AtE resurrection, which (As I've stated before) is IMO just an attempt to stir up and lynch me. Why would any town post this, when she posted it? Why not just bring it up if/when I try to fakeout what I said earlier?

By the way I already answered this question. For someone bitching about things I missed in the game, you sure have missed.........how many now?

Mod: I will be on V/LA starting tonight and will not be back till sometime late Monday evening

AntB · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:49 pm

lord_hur wrote:You should not deceive town, when playing town, unless you're a great player, which you are not (yet)

The original line was in reference to when playing as scum.

farside22 wrote:@AntB - I'm human, I will miss things and I don't have time to reread the game over and over.

Considering your level of detail has been quite high overall, that's why it seems bad to me. The question you quoted was also rhetorical aimed at lord_hur.

Archer · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:15 pm

AntB wrote:@Archer
Archer wrote:Farside was asked to explain it all, hardly brought it up herself. This is a big reach if you are really using it as part of your reasoning
Looking back, no she wasn't. She brought it up herself.

Then you didnt look properly. Farside made the post about you cant claim any PR (591). Then lord_hur questions it (595) as well as myself (597). Next lord_hur goes into the hypothetical situations (610) and only then does farside bring more hypothetical situations in. So farside didnt bring it up herself but was responding to queries and other posts.

brokenscraps · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:32 am

AntB wrote:The original line was in reference to when playing as scum.

Are you saying you play to be read as VT because it is a good strategy as scum?

Your actions are also looking more and more desperate, even if disguised as scumhunting directed at farside.

This, for example, seems more about undermining through calling scum than anything legitimate.

Bella · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:18 am

Archer wrote:
Bella wrote:So, exactly why has the AntB wagon stalled? There are enough people who aren't voting for him who agree that there's scumminess there. What's the problem? How can I help you lynch scum?
I'm waiting to see what the SotS replacement has to say and am in no rush for a lynch. He/she may have something new to add, and I'd rather wait a day or two or three to hear it. This is the second time you have tried to push this along. Why are you in such a rush?

Wagon has lost moment, he's really scummy, he's made his claim and confirmed data dtrumps potential data.

farside22 wrote:
Bella wrote:So, exactly why has the AntB wagon stalled? There are enough people who aren't voting for him who agree that there's scumminess there. What's the problem? How can I help you lynch scum?
I'm waiting for a replacement. Every player slot should be filled before we go to night.

Do you have any thoughts on his replacement request given that he hasn't requested replacement in all his games?

AntB · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:03 pm

brokenscraps wrote:Are you saying you play to be read as VT because it is a good strategy as scum?

No, I'm saying I believe it to be good all round.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:51 am

DavidParker has requested replacement. Will fill the two slots by tomorrow. The modding will become crisper than as of late.

Archer · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:33 am

Bella wrote:Wagon has lost moment, he's really scummy, he's made his claim and confirmed data dtrumps potential data.

Confirmed data

plus

potential data trumps only confirmed data. More data/info is better. I will wait for the replacements. There is no rush.

Bella · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:33 am

What exactly do you expect to get from him by dragging out his lynch?

andrew94 · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:30 pm

i would really want to see him lynched

AntB · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:35 pm

You would.

farside22 · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:43 pm

Do you have any thoughts on his replacement request given that he hasn't requested replacement in all his games?

I see no issue with waiting on replacement since we are not at deadline. Discussion other scum suspects, debating issues and getting some answers from like looker for example is all good to me.
Is there a reason you are eager to see a lynch and not participant in looking for scum?
There is 3 scums in this game. We lynched 1 yesterday. That means 2 left.
Who is AntB's scum buddy in your view?