Mini 1122: Mafia.Exe Game Over

[Llamarble]

@GreyIce: Haha. I'll try to be better. I drove from California to Chicago this week.
I've been rereading this game taking notes, and am up to post 200 on that.

Unfortunately I ran into the sleep barrier again. But here are my reads so far:
Town:
Me
DRK
GreyICE
Neruz

Unsure:
Redacted
Nathanael
SC
Hiraki
Ant

Scummy
MME
bgg (wifom avalanche, unexplained L-2). He's just not newbie enough to justify that much wifomy stuff. Also premature VT claim.
Xine (counterwagons onto bgg after she gets to L-2 in rvs, insufficient scumhunting, vote posts that feel justificationy, now is wagoning onto Neruz, has expressed willingness to hammer GreyIce while he was helping her to lynch bgg whom she supposedly believed to be scum)
Greedling (2 posts all day and neither of them good...)

VOTE: Xine

[Llamarble]

That was

L-2

by the way.
Deadline in 3 days.

[bgg1996]

being or serving as a representative example of a particular type; characteristic

[bgg1996]

accepted, chronic, common, conventional, customary, established, everyday, expected, general, habitual, ordinary, orthodox, regular, routine, set, traditional, typical

[GreyICE]

being or serving as a representative example of a particular type; characteristic

I guess I meant more what sort of a range are you accepting for typical? Like, most day 1s I've been in go dramatically differently depending on many things. This is a less active one than some. But I mean it's so dependent on personalities. Throw Fate into one, and things get weird in an awful whole hurry.

@Llamarble: I do understand, but you were running like 70% on 'will catch up soon' content in existing posts. I love ya man, but there's a limit.

[Neruz]

Why do i get the feeling that the bgg who posted this:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, this will be the first time I've actually played as a vanilla townie. (In my more inexperienced games, all of the roles had an ability)
Good luck using meta on me.

And the bgg who posted this:

That's what you get for trying to be nice in a game of mafia.
In mafia you have to think logically. You cannot merely trust people on a whim, excepting some subconscious feeling of general scumminess, you have to weigh the odds and decide rationally which is good and which is bad.
Do you have a disorder that makes you misunderstand people?

Are two entirely different people?

For the last time, there is a big difference between have hard evidence and come up with proof.

*COUGH COUGH*

proof

–noun

1.

evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true

, or to produce belief in its truth.

—Synonyms

1.

confirmation, demonstration, corroboration, support.

See evidence

. 3. examination, assay. 18. firm, steadfast.

*COUGH*

[Nathanael]

*prod dodge*

content asap.

[Hiraki]

Neruz. What do you mean in #355?

Like with the two different people. I'm not getting what you mean.

[Hiraki]

EBWOP: Llama.

You aren't keeping much attention to this game. Correct?

Hint: GreyICE is scummy and town.

[Exe]

Some notes: MME has said that he'll be posting some time today, and I'm holding him to it.
Greedling still hasn't picked up his prod. If he doesn't some time today, he'll be replaced. If I need to replace him, I will give an extension on the Day.

Vote Count #9

Day 1

Neruz

(5): [Redacted], Ant_to_the_max, Nathanael, Xine, bgg1996,

Xine

(5): Greedling, GreyICE, Hiraki, Neruz, Llamarble,

bgg1996

(1): Surprise_Carcinogen,

Nathanael

(1): DeathRowKitty,

DeathRowKitty

(1): My Milked Eek,

Surprise_Carcinogen

(0):

Llamarble

(0):

GreyICE

(0):

[Redacted]

(0):

My Milked Eek

(0):

Greedling

(0):

Ant_to_the_max

(0):

Hiraki

(0):

No Lynch

(0):

Not Voting

:

With

13

alive it takes

7

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1 is at 10:00 AM EST on 2/24/11.

[bgg1996]

Why do i get the feeling that the bgg who posted this:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, this will be the first time I've actually played as a vanilla townie. (In my more inexperienced games, all of the roles had an ability)
Good luck using meta on me.

And the bgg who posted this:

That's what you get for trying to be nice in a game of mafia.
In mafia you have to think logically. You cannot merely trust people on a whim, excepting some subconscious feeling of general scumminess, you have to weigh the odds and decide rationally which is good and which is bad.
Do you have a disorder that makes you misunderstand people?

Are two entirely different people?

For the last time, there is a big difference between have hard evidence and come up with[/b] proof.

*COUGH COUGH*

proof

–noun

1.

evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true

, or to produce belief in its truth.

—Synonyms

1.

confirmation, demonstration, corroboration, support.

See evidence

. 3. examination, assay. 18. firm, steadfast.

*COUGH*

Sorry,

have

and

come up with

was what we were looking for.
Support is much closer to what I actually meant, to find more support against the accusation that I was mafia.

Not that it matters. I can't, and shouldn't edit my posts over a week later. You can pass whatever judgement you want to for:

I should come up with proof that I'm not scum after today.

Anyway, the reason for the switch, is at the beginning I was a little bit afraid of dying in the first round, not having enough fun, so I didn't want to look too helpful, else the mafia might kill me.
After there was a big wagon against me, I figured that the mafia wasn't going to kill me, because I was suspicious and could be helpful to them later by pulling the attention away from them. Like a shield. That was when I believed it was safe to actively scumhunt. It's not an honorable, or popular reason, but it's the real one.

[bgg1996]

Oh, before somebody makes a fuss about it. There is a broken bold tag in the quote because I was thinking about bolding them to make them stqnd out, but deided that that would be laundering quotes and deleted them

[bgg1996]

Or at least tried to delete them.

[Neruz]

Neruz. What do you mean in #355?

Like with the two different people. I'm not getting what you mean.

I'm not

completely

sure myself. The first few pages of the game, bgg came across as unbelievably stupid with a light dash of newbie. Now i'm getting a lot less blind idiocy out of his posts and a lot more newbie; maybe i'm just overthinking things, but it really does feel like bgg's swapped out for a different person half-way through the day.

Either that or he's an alt who was fucking with us.

Sorry,

have

and

come up with

was what we were looking for.

Makes no difference; as a townie you

cannot

provide evidence or proof of your alignment. So it is literally meaningless to nitpick on the have or the come up with parts, because

both

are lies.

[Hiraki]

Oh, I kinda get what you mean. I put it into the sense that he's the same person but trying harder.

Note that this is after people go after him, Neruz sees a difference.

Why do you all see Bgg as town. Don't give me "newbie" crap either.

[Neruz]

Interestingly, i decided to take a look at Newbie 807, bgg's other game. I'm not getting a whole lot out of it, but i do think it's interesting to note that in that game, as scum, he quickly put someone (CDB) to L-2 during RVS with no explanation for his vote and later backtracked hard on it, providing a whole bunch of reasons when pressured about it.

Obviously this might just be how bgg plays regardless of alignment, but it is probably worth keeping in mind for future days if he survives.

[My Milked Eek]

Hi, been some time, showers and stuff.

Glancing through the thread;
page 1
- greyice gets some town points for his post about xine's suspicions. Mainly because of the tone and the timing of that post.
- seemingly contradictory, but xine gets townie points as well for outing her suspicions.

page 2
- ant, have we played together before?
- I do not like Llamarble "constantly" referencing, subtle or not, that one game where he and greyice were town.
- neruz gets townie points

page 3
- bgg makes a stupid vote, but meh, more interesting is the greyice-llamarble interaction in reaction to this vote

page 4
- ant makes the correct assumption about bgg's experience in relation to bgg's claim
- still stand by my post that I believe bgg's vt claim, curious about llamarble not trying to view this claim from another angle
- as for my experience, 20-30 forum games and a load of face-to-face mafia

I somewhat made my way through page 4. I'll restart reading when I'm less tired tomorrow.

[Neruz]

It's gonna take you a looooong time at this rate MME. Better speed things up if you want to catch up and not be behind the whole game.

[Redacted]

Slight delay on my end, posts should be up hopefully in the next 8-12 hours; a paper took longer then expected to finish.

[DeathRowKitty]

I'm ignoring the Neruz-bgg back-and-forth for now. The most productive opinion I got out of it is that reading back-and-forths is boring. Not sure it would be productive for me to write a post on that. Moving on to more important stuff:

Okay, I've read through Hiraki's iso and the first 7 pages of the thread. There's SOMETHING I don't like about Hiraki and I have no idea what it is. It's kind of bugging me tbh that I can't pin this down, but whatever.

Something I noticed from my reread that I didn't catch the first time:

scum: Xine
scummy: DeathRowKitty, Surprise_Carcinogen
null: Greedling, [Redacted], My Milked Eek, Ant_to_the_max, Llamarble, Neruz
townish: GreyICE, Hiraki
town: bgg1996]

This is going to sound a bit nit-picky, buuuuut.....does it bother anyone else that his list of reads is

completely

symmetrical? One scum, one town. Two scummy, two townish. Six null. I mean, aside from the fact that he posted a list in which he listed half the game as null, it just feels too damn even. Makes one wonder if he perhaps wanted it to look like that. It's especially strange when combined with this:

Sometimes it is much easier to go looking for town-reads than for scum-reads. And then you have to find scum based on you town-reads. Well, this is one of those cases.

If it's easier for him to find town reads in this game than scum reads, then why does he have the same number of town and scum reads. Even aside from that, if he's really hunting from process of elimination like he seems to be implying, how is he doing so if he had null reads on literally half of the game?

Deadline is in under 3 days. We need to start making something happen here and I don't see a better option out there than Nathanael. I'm seeing Neruz as town, Xine as neutral-slightly scummy and bgg as a big distraction. If we can't get a wagon on Nathanael in time, I'd be willing to vote Xine. I would not as of now be particularly happy with a Neruz lynch.

[GreyICE]

Why, because Neruz has come through so hard for us that he's now obvtown town man of the town team?

Seriously, the advice on roles was cool and all, and I liked the calm demeanor, but this Neruz is a beast apart. Really good scumhunter, and if I was the scumteam I'd be scared. I think bgg is an obsession holding him back (seriously, bgg is a lot more null to me than scum right now) but there's some damn good reads to be had.

The Neruz wagon is now so silly I think there's more townies on it than scum, scum are probably jumping ship.

[DeathRowKitty]

I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not.

[Hiraki]

GreyICE. I'm going to tell you Neruz is town, and you will be content with it.

Nathanael/Xine/Bgg is fine for me.

[GreyICE]

What? He's town.

Here's my read list so far:

Town
Me (obv)
Neruz (Best town here, I think he's dead on)

Townish
Hiraki - some blah play, but overall town
DRK - although confusing
Llamarble (although apparently not following us)

Null
bgg - I can't read his behavior anymore, I'm just not sure he's scum
Greedling - who knows
Ant
Redacted

Scummy
Xine - obv
MME - leaning towards scum
Surprised_Carcinogen - probably scum with Xine.
Nathaniel - he's just scummy here to me

[Llamarble]

Wait how am I not following? Our read-lists are really similar.
Anyways I'm back to continue my reading.