Newbie 1060: It's a Murder Mystery (Game Over)

[mb53]

O.o ok wow, on my last post, I didn't even realize there was a page 15. Sorry, Will read tomorrow.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.15

snowjorden (4) - Otolia, Lady Lambdadelta, Sarg338, GreyICE

Otolia (1) - mb53

Not Voting (4) - Voidedmafia, Mhi200, Primate, snowjorden

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, March 4, 2011, at 11:59 PM EST (UTC-5).[/area]

[mb53]

I lied.
Don't have much to respond to though after reading that page... (Oh, and by "I lied" I mean i did it tonight instead of tomorrow) Couldn't you guys post something that I could address? Well, this is the best I can do:

EBWOP: Okay, I'm at L-2 now, apparently. Either way, working on a post starting ..now!!

You are still on L-1. LLD is having a bad trip. Sharpen you arguments well buddy.

Not real happy about this post either. It's blatant baiting. The pressure is there in the L-1, the baiting is rather unnecessary on someone who has a bit of a temper. Hmm. Do I have to rethink this town read I have?

Yes.

The probability that one of the people voting for you is a scum if you flip scum is low. Nobody sane buses in D1.

I repeat, its happened before.

=/ thats all i got.

Oh, and inb4 votecount =P

[Sarg338]

I'm still happy on my vote. Jordan did nothing to change that.

GreyICE - Good catch on something as subtle as that. Can't say I would've caught it.

[Voidedmafia]

Spoiler:

GreyICE, isn't voting for him because of how he writes not something you do outside of RVS?

Yes, I can see that your decision is not made entirely around that accusation--it seems that his statement that he can't find anything in D1 is also a factor in that post, as well--but your vote post pretty much says, "I hate how you write your posts and want you out" to me.

Spoiler:

Also, what IS hydrad?

[Otolia]

Also, what IS hydrad?

It's because you don't know what hydra is that you think GreyICE want him out because of his writing style. Hydra-ing (... quite hard to build a ver with that) is a technique consisting on playing a game with 2 persons (or more) on the same account.

I don't agree with this, however I am surprised by the modification of Snowjorden writing style over the course of the game.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, what IS hydrad?

It's because you don't know what hydra is that you think GreyICE want him out because of his writing style. Hydra-ing (... quite hard to build a ver with that) is a technique consisting on playing a game with 2 persons (or more) on the same account.

I don't agree with this, however I am surprised by the modification of Snowjorden writing style over the course of the game.

Spoiler:

hmm...I will admit that going from the defensive/defeatist Snowjorden from earlier to the assertive person now is quite suspicious given the gap in play that he's taken since our argument. Still, I don't think we can rule out that he has simply modified his playing style just yet.

Spoiler:

However, if there are indeed two people playing as Snowjorden, that is certainly a hefty catch that GreyICE has caught.

[GreyICE]

Well there's the raw amount of bullshit we're asked to believe too. Like that an experienced mafia theorist didn't count how many people were in the game.

But yeah, I don't see any townie motivation here at all anymore.

[Otolia]

Since I have already expressed my views on Snowjorden, I'd like for Voidedmafia, Mhi200, Primate and Mb53 if he wants to, to analyze this post as well as this one and this one of Snowjorden (if you want to use other posts, feel free to do so) In particular, I want to see your views on :

1. His point of view on the town in general.
2. The risk/reward ratio of him being a mislynch in D1.
3. His defense in general.

I hope that with a good analysis you can provide yourself enough content to decide what you wanna do with him.

[Voidedmafia]

Spoiler:

You missed the third link, by the way.

In any case...

Spoiler:

Post 1:

While I can't particularly comment on the spectrum part of his post (quite frankly, I'm in a similar spot myself), I still find it dubious (and I will continue to push this point) that he cannot find ONE SINGLE THING from the last 15 pages on ANY OF US. I also am in disagreement that pushing for a D1 lynch is scummy because there are times where someone (or some

ones

, as it may be) can make a pretty big scumslip that can make a D1 lynch infinitely easier, and possibly even D2. Sure, such a possiblity is too much of an exaggeration, but even with a moderate example I can't just deride all D1 lynch pushes as scumtells or scummy behavior.

Post 2:

He seems pretty confident that he's town in the first paragraph, and equally confident that I'm scum, though this is before the first post you linked. And to me it seems he's based his vote purely because I pushed on him so much. That's not necessarily bad in and of itself, but he still didn't have much of a foundation with it, and once that particular arguemnt is (or got) destroyed, he has nothing left to put on me.

2nd paragraph is fluff, admittedly caused by myself.

The 3rd paragraph is what he essentially rephrases in the 1st linked post.

I got nothing on the 4th paragraph.

The 5th paragraph can be seen as an attempt to get people of his back. I personally see it with a bit of a whining tone to it

The rest I've already covered as a direct response.

Spoiler:

As I think you can see, I don't hold a lot of faith in his arguments in those two posts, and will act accordingly.

FoS: Snowjorden

(if I didn't have it on him already).

Now, for your questions, Oto:

1.) Pretty much all three people he said were leaning scummy were people who had or are currently pushing on him. If this keeps up, he could very well label everyone who pushes him reasonably enough as leaning scum or flat-out scummy.

2.) If Jorden is actually town, it could very well mean that one of us who he labelled as leaning scum (which, I'll add, were people who really pushed him) is actually scum. Even if that's not true, I could see some suspicion hanging on us for most of D2.
If Jorden is really scum, then we might have to look at mb. Mb is pretty much one of the only people calling Jorden town, and one of the few people Jorden has expressed any form of complete agreement with.

[Otolia]

You missed the third link, by the way.

Actually I just forget to delete that part after my preview.

[Sarg338]

Well, I came down with an ear infection today, and its killing me, so I probably wont feel like participate as much as I want to. I'll still read the thread, of course, but as of now, I'm happy with my vote, and probably wont change it unless something new comes up.

Just thought I'd post this in case someone makes notice that I'm not posting much

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Um... hasn't Jorden already claimed VT? Honestly, I'm ready to lynch him.

I want him to answer my questions... but barring that, I'm ready to have someone drop the hammer.

[mb53]

Well, it seems everything has stopped.

I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now, and we should get talking again.

[Otolia]

Well, it seems everything has stopped. I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now, and we should get talking again.

See my message below, only Voided has answered, so I'm waiting for Mhi, and Primate to answer. But you can also do it.

Since I have already expressed my views on Snowjorden, I'd like for Voidedmafia, Mhi200, Primate and Mb53 if he wants to, to analyze this post as well as this one and this one of Snowjorden (if you want to use other posts, feel free to do so) In particular, I want to see your views on :

1. His point of view on the town in general.
2. The risk/reward ratio of him being a mislynch in D1.
3. His defense in general.

I hope that with a good analysis you can provide yourself enough content to decide what you wanna do with him.

[snowjorden]

Wow ...this has slowed down tremendously.

[Sarg338]

Well, it seems everything has stopped.

I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now, and we should get talking again.

If you are not apposed to a lynch, why are you apposed to dropping the hammer?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wow ...this has slowed down tremendously.

HAMMER HIM.

[Voidedmafia]

Wow ...this has slowed down tremendously.

...

...

This...THis is completely unacceptable.

If you had said something along the lines of "Wow, this has slowed down, I might as well get on with answering questions" or exuded such an attitude, I would've let this post slide. However, you have failed to defend against anyone's accusations against you, nor have you given any indication of doing so.

You have just sealed your own fate.

Vote: SnowJorden

No GIF cuz the place ain't working.

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: Now that that's taken care of, we ought to take a good look at mb53. I think, out of all of us, he's been the only one to really back up Snow at all, and pretty much the only person Snow has agreed with. THat's not to say he hasn't agreed with anyone else, though, but they've agreed with each other more than he's agreed with any of us.

If Snow is town, I still say we should look into mb, but I'm not sure who else to go after if this scenario is true.
If Snow is scum, I really must push us to look at mb as soon as possible. He may not be a scumbuddy, but the reasons I stated above certainly should give rise to investigation.

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP2: Also, did anyone else have their page say the site was down or something like that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yep.

[Primate]

F.U, was in the middle of making a wall explaining why i thought snowjordan wasn't scum. I'll finish and post it tomorrow, if I'm still alive any anyone cares. Hopefully I'm wrong and gogo team!

@Voided: Yeah, site was down for about 3-4 hours earlier.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.16

snowjorden (5) - Otolia, Lady Lambdadelta, Sarg338, GreyICE, Voidedmafia

Otolia (1) - mb53

Not Voting (3) - Mhi200, Primate, snowjorden

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, March 4, 2011, at 11:59 PM EST (UTC-5).[/area]

[Equinox]

At first, it was just bickering. The pointing and shouting that went on in the ballroom would have made any random passerby wonder if they weren't playing a game of Mafia or something. The nine guests paid no heed to the fact that two among them were carrying weapons of possibly mass destruction; they were too busy trying to argue that they were not the droids everyone else was looking for. The tension was so high that nobody noticed how cold the place had gotten in the hours that the air conditioning was left unchecked.

Well, someone was about to notice.

For the first time since the discovery of the crime, the guests went quiet, and all eyes turned to one figure in particular among them. snowjorden's eyes went from one face to the next, searching for the reason behind the suspicion. When he couldn't discern it, he laughed nervously.

"It's gotten a bit quiet, hasn't it, guys?"

Silence. snowjorden shifted his weight a little.

Immediately, the mob pounced upon him. Five of the guests grabbed him while the other three stood, looking dazed, as snowjorden was led to the stage by the corpses left there for display. They looked around them for something with which they could hit snowjorden, but they failed to find anything. Instead, they grabbed a spare but bloody rope from one of the bodies beside them and fashioned a noose. Without a place from which they could hang a noose, they strangled snowjorden instead.

A gun fell from one of snowjorden's suit pockets.

snowjorden,

mafia goon

, was lynched on Day 1!

Night 1 begins now. The deadline is Friday, February 25, 2011, 9:40 PM EST (UTC-5).