Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

[Antihero]

Ah, it was charlie.

All he did was sheep my emptyger vote..........

[vezokpiraka]

I don't remember. Someone who did nothing.

[EmpTyger]

This was a reread from the standpoint of finding the other mafia. I should note that the reread occurred before I realized silavor’s most recent post.

I agree with Grey, dramonic, et al: I think Kcda was bussed. Baby Spice voted Kcda, that’s an expectation that the group is going down, and I can’t imagine the other 2 mafia would have left themselves so exposed. So looking at the vote list (and I’m assuming the only error in the mod’s votecount was swapping Kcda and Antihero):

Reck/Nero, Tragedy/Mariyta, Antihero/GreyICE, Dram/werewolf, Kise, Llamarble, silavor, vezok

My top mafia pick had been vezok: one of the few substantial things he did D1 was defend Kcda. And his switch onto Kcda comes right before Baby Spice’s “I give up” post.

But silavor’s outburst… even aside from the nameslip, that kind of tone just doesn’t make sense coming from a townsperson who didn’t have a problem when “all that shouting” helped lynch Kcda yesterday. But I feel a little weird voting, though, because other than that post, I really wasn’t reading silavor as antitown. And given my last post offering my fate to the town, plus having just reached that conclusion about vezok, and coming off a very shaken confidence, and a little exhausted from 40+ pages- I think I may want to sleep on this before voting. (Something I might regret in the name of self-preservation, but whatever.)

I really don’t think PO/Espeonage are mafia. (And I may again regret saying this, in terms of self-preservation.) They could be werewolves- that would explain the issues I had with them. But they defended Kcda/Baby Spice when mafia shouldn’t have, and attacked when mafia probably wouldn’t have. Posts like [188] and [267]. If the plan was to bus Kcda, it makes no sense to turn around and lay down that committed a defense, especially after Baby Spice even voted Kcda. So maybe they’re werewolves, but not mafia.

ww/dramonic I was more generally suspicious of, but not really for anything mafia-specific. [964] in particular is a post that it seems ww should have made earlier, but instead he only makes it when the lynch is inevitable.

Mariyta: don’t like how she was fine with a certain playstyle, but when she got a couple votes onto her, then she started whining about it. Plus she was the one who proposed the “Baby Spice do all the talking” plan to shield Kcda.

Also, for what it’s worth there are 2 posts from Baby Spice I noted:
[724], just for being an example of what her consciously made WIFOM looks like. (The point isn’t to try to analyze [724], but to compare this posts to others.)
[953] omitted Charlie(=Haylen) and werewolf, listing as partners dramonic and silavor. I’m trying to figure out whether it was inadvertent or deliberate, and what it might mean either way.

[Tragedy]

I don't remember. Someone who did nothing.

That was

Obviously You

.

[xRECKONERx]

EmpTyger, when did Nero & I stop being one of your top scum picks? That's recent.

[EmpTyger]

Reckoner:
When I just reevaluated after rereading all 40+ pages. I still have issues with the AIMlog matter, I'll admit. But my main point of contention was my general point about how your playstyle was hampering the town's ability to lynch an antitown. And that just got shown to be demonstrably false. I don't see how you can be mafia, and I have a lot higher suspects for werewolf.

[dramonic]

3rd Werewolf for replacement

[Charlie]

Please stop voting for my lover. I'm in the midst of making a big-ish post and will be disappointed if it comes to lynch before then.

[silavor]

Please stop voting for my lover. I'm in the midst of making a big-ish post and will be disappointed if it comes to lynch before then.

o.O he speaks! I figured you had up and vanished just like haylen.

[Kise]

Post what you have now or it didn't happen.

[GreyICE]

Please stop voting for my lover. I'm in the midst of making a big-ish post and will be disappointed if it comes to lynch before then.

Man, where have I heard THAT before?

It go boom...

[Tragedy]

Please stop voting for my lover. I'm in the midst of making a big-ish post and will be disappointed if it comes to lynch before then.

Man, where have I heard THAT before?

It go boom...

Darla-spawn btw?

[Charlie]

o.O he speaks! I figured you had up and vanished just like haylen.

Very funny. I think you should say the most in thread since you're at the spotlight of being lynchbait at the moment. You've not said much in the QT too, but anyway...

Post what you have now or it didn't happen.

Ah of course, I have it right ... here...

The forum ate my post.

No, apparently I didn't save it. There goes 2 or 3 pages worth of analysis!

Man, where have I heard THAT before?

It go boom...

Not quite, let me try to reconstruct it from memory.
The first bit was something like, "

Mod, please update the first post

"
Then, I began by noting that this game is Nightless, therefore I thought that typical scumplay would not be seen here, i.e. I think Mafia play would be more aggressive.
I noted that the recent lynch of Mafia Lover Kcdaspot and subsequent suicide of Mafia Lover Baby Spice. I made a comment about how their reads are probably centered on the opposing Werewolf Lover team.
I then spotted a similar comment in another person's post.
I then commented that the most pro-Town player is Llarmarble.
As I read on I commented that the game lacked constructive discussion.

----------

Please keep this game at a slow pace. Don't speed it up. At this rate, I should be done in 1 week. I believe that is acceptable.

[Purple Orange]

but Haylen mentioning the BS joke actually makes me think she's less likely the culprit.

...damn, you're right.

Still think the other stuff outweighs it...willing to chalk this up to momentum of the signup thread joke carrying through, or actual forgetting. But, graaaaah. It does make it less locktight.

Ugh, he's almost certainly town.

Scumslips like this just never really seem to come from scum

From scum who just got back from a longish V/LA, making a frustrated post...I actually can see it. I doubt he consciously thought BS was his lover. But I do think a BS connection was strong enough in his mind for him to slip and use her over Haylen, and I don't think that our talk about BS in the thread itself was the (only) reason it was this strong in his mind.

Welp, folks, anyone have a good feeling about our friend Silvador anyway?

Vote: Silvador

He almost got lynched yesterday anyway.

We have one who had a halfway decent wagon run up against them,

Um...no he didn't? Where are you getting this? I think Reck might have voted for him once, but otherwise, it's been pretty much me, myself, and I voting for the guy until today.

The other people I find town for now. Even GreyICE.

Why do you find Grey Ice town now?

[Purple Orange]

Reckoner:
When I just reevaluated after rereading all 40+ pages. I still have issues with the AIMlog matter, I'll admit. But my main point of contention was my general point about how your playstyle was hampering the town's ability to lynch an antitown. And that just got shown to be demonstrably false. I don't see how you can be mafia, and I have a lot higher suspects for werewolf.

Err...so you don't think one of them HAS to be lying anymore? That's a pretty big switch of opinion for you. What changed your mind here?

[Purple Orange]

The forum ate my post.

No, apparently I didn't save it. There goes 2 or 3 pages worth of analysis!

Usually if I hit the "back" button enough times I can find stuff I've lost. If the forum auto-logged you out, logging again in a new tab, then hitting "back" in the old one, often works. (I think only if you've previewed the post at least one, though). Though your browser might hate you more than mine does me.

[GreyICE]

He didn't get a wagon run up against him? I swear I've seen more than two Silavor votes. I know he was on my scumdar just waaayyyy under kcda/bs and q21/Umbrage (who, to be fair, flipped town, but my god I really dislike what they did to this thread).

Antihero thinks he's town though, so I'd hardly say it's perfect agreement.

I don't entirely feel down with an EmpTyger lynch. Didn't at the start of the day, didn't on day 2, didn't on day 1. He's crazy, yes, but he reminds me of this player "crazy questions." ObvTown, but if you follow their reads your head will explode. And Thingyman was just too early on the kcdaspot wagon for me to be entirely happy about it, especially with the viable q21/umbrage wagon sitting right there. Do you bus your partner on day 1 with a viable town (or non-partner scum, really) wagon? I just don't see it.

Silavor... It feels like he's kinda giving up and abandoning the thread, and Charlie's "gimme a week for real content" so reads "gimme a week so the town finds something else shiny." We danced that dance once with the 'waiting for content,' and it just delayed a scum lynch.

One of the questions we had was how kcdaspot behaved this badly with a 4 man QT. One lurker/infrequent poster, one MIA, and Sila to keep the balance? That would explain it, to me.

[Mariyta]

Please stop voting for my lover. I'm in the midst of making a big-ish post and will be disappointed if it comes to lynch before then.

o.O he speaks! I figured you had up and vanished just like haylen.

Silavor makes no comment or explanation for the slip, no acknowledgment whatsoever that it happened. This is his first and only post since he freaked out.

[Charlie]

Usually if I hit the "back" button enough times I can find stuff I've lost. If the forum auto-logged you out, logging again in a new tab, then hitting "back" in the old one, often works. (I think only if you've previewed the post at least one, though). Though your browser might hate you more than mine does me.

Its very likely my fault. I thought I saved a draft. Either I didn't follow through with the "are you sure screen" or I hit the preview button or whatever, there is no excuse.

Silavor... It feels like he's kinda giving up and abandoning the thread, and Charlie's "gimme a week for real content" so reads "gimme a week so the town finds something else shiny." We danced that dance once with the 'waiting for content,' and it just delayed a scum lynch.

No, its so I can participate more.
I do have a question for you: what do you think of wallposting?

Silavor makes no comment or explanation for the slip, no acknowledgment whatsoever that it happened. This is his first and only post since he freaked out.

I think he's a pretty OK scumhunter (if I remember correctly, it was in another game on this site that I read); I'll ask him to keep his head while I ask you to spare his neck.

[Tragedy]

I completely find silavor Town to Neutral (Not the other way around).
The only thing I mostly read off of silavor is that Haylen's the spotlight for him.

[GreyICE]

It's shit.

If you have a lot of content, then it's not a bleeding wall, it's just a content-filled post. If it's one of those quote/chop quote/chop deals, or a post which deliberately restates itself over, and over, and over again so that no human on earth can possibly read it, it's shitty wallposting. Useful for scum to disguise their motivations, useless for town since everyone gives up after a while.

I think town will find if they bother to consolidate their thoughts into nice, sensible paragraphs that make good points, their internal logic will improve as they are forced to consider what is and isn't a good point. Plus, it'll be easier to get town/scum reads, since walls are just length>content for scum.

[Mariyta]

Silavor makes no comment or explanation for the slip, no acknowledgment whatsoever that it happened. This is his first and only post since he freaked out.

I think he's a pretty OK scumhunter (if I remember correctly, it was in another game on this site that I read); I'll ask him to keep his head while I ask you to spare his neck.

The freak-out isn't what I was pointing out....

[xRECKONERx]

The "don't post, I have a big post coming" transition into "wait, nevermind, the forum ate my post" bullshit makes me even more confident in lynching silavor and his scumlover.

[GreyICE]

"It go boom"

That's so becoming my signature once this game is over. Completely.

NC: "Where is that case you promised?"
KCDA: "It go boom"

BEST CASE EVER

[xRECKONERx]

CAN WE GO CHOO CHOO FULL STEAM AHEAD WITH THE SILAVOR/CHARLIE LYNCH?

GreyICE, I'm gonna be really sad if you turn out to be werewolf-scum.