Open 289 - Hard Boiled - Game over.

[Ythan]

The last two comments are both critical of Krazy. Something about the attention DY is giving Krazy rubs me the wrong way. I'll comment on it further as I move through his posts here.

The attention of two references instead of one?

[Vordark]

Here I'll do it again in case you didn't see it the first time:

Unvote; Vote: TheBigLebowski

Contribute something.

The reason the post was ironic was that for the last 2 pages krazy was attacking Ythil, then accuses him of only attacking him. Therefore I thought it was ironic.

Please try to keep players straight. Ythil and Ythan are different players. Very different.

1. Is that all you have to say about my comments on irony.
2. Why are you only voting me and not a lurker like iamausername who has only posted twice. This makes it look like you are trying to distance yourself from Ythan

Krazy has one vote and there are several lurkers. Naturally someone has to get the "short straw". Your item #2 is attempting to characterize this mathematical certainty as scummy.

Can you give us your thoughts on some of the players here?

[Vordark]

@ Vordark:

So, let me get this straight.

You think DarthYoshi is scum.

You keep your vote on me.

DarthYoshi votes Xtoxm.

You immediately make a post that quotes Xtoxm, and asks for more content from him.

I smell bussing buddies.

FoS: DarthYoshi and Vordark

You smell me doing several ISOs today (as I have already mentioned), posting as I complete them. I am not finished for today. Perhaps waiting until I

am

before attempting to analyze my posts would be a more productive use of your time?

[Vordark]

The last two comments are both critical of Krazy. Something about the attention DY is giving Krazy rubs me the wrong way. I'll comment on it further as I move through his posts here.

The attention of two references instead of one?

My use of the present tense in the second sentence is to describe an ongoing action, as my third sentence above reinforces.

[Vordark]

Quaroath's ISO is limited due to early lurking, but he's asking many questions I like.

@iamausername

Krazy and I are of like mind, that is the next question I was going to ask and one I would also like to hear the answer to.

Count me on this as well, what in particular about DarthYoshi's posting doesn’t seem town to you? I get a decently town vibe from him. You’ve posted 4 times and have clearly stated you think Darth doesn’t look town in his posts. Why?

On that note, RVS vote needs to come off.

unvote

Now to apply some plz answer pressure

vote: iamausername

@Quaroath: Can you highlight where your "decently town vibe from [DarthYoshi]" is coming from?

[Vordark]

That's my ISOs done for the day. I'll look at the Umbrage/Snake Eyes and Ythan/Krazy interchanges tomorrow.

Unvote
Vote: DarthYoshi

I would like to hear other people's thoughts on DarthYoshi, Quaroath and iamausername.

I also think the lurkers need to question their levels of involvement here. It looks like this will be one of those games that requires a lot of time and effort to read the thread and play properly. If you don't think you can contribute effectively, please ask to be replaced out now. Getting replaced on Day 2 or 3 because you flaked is much harder on everyone, and posting only to avoid modprods will make it easy for one or more scum to hide behind you.

[Umbrage]

@ Vordark:

So, let me get this straight.

You think DarthYoshi is scum.

You keep your vote on me.

DarthYoshi votes Xtoxm.

You immediately make a post that quotes Xtoxm, and asks for more content from him.

I smell bussing buddies.

FoS: DarthYoshi and Vordark

You smell me doing several ISOs today (as I have already mentioned), posting as I complete them. I am not finished for today. Perhaps waiting until I

am

before attempting to analyze my posts would be a more productive use of your time?

Fuck. Of course. I need to learn to read.

[Krazy]

You’re clearly reading the thread, but are saying very little.

So is everyone else, they're just using more words to do so.

So basically you're going to take a snipe at the entire thread as an excuse for not saying anything?

"Well, not one person in this thread is actually saying anything, so really I'm just like everyone else I just waste less of my own time."

I got that right?

[Krazy]

EBWOP oh I'm sorry, not nothing, "very little."

[Krazy]

Apparently werewolf, which is TBL's brother, is being replaced in other games. I'm starting to think he's just straight MIA and not actually lurking.

So now I can test my theory!

unvote; vote CS

[Abelcain]

prod avoidance, just finished a 44 hours work weekend fri-sun, will catch up/post when conscious in morning.

Quaroath's last two posts have been placed only to avoid getting prodded and have contained no content. I think he needs some encouragement.

Unvote

Vote: Quaroath

I stopped at #195 for this.

Fair. And deserved. The (what felt like) 5 page explosion while I was at work sunday made it a slog and I put it off.

It's fine. You got some material posted, so I'm happy.

Unvote

Except it does mean that. That's what it means.

I must be working with a different definition than you are, then, because I'm pretty sure a scumread is when you "read" an action someone's taken as a "scum" action. Hence scumread. If I'm wrong, then what is what I'm talking about called?



iamausername is bothering me with his inability to post more than a few sentences in each post. I understand he doesn't like it when there's long posts, but the game of Mafia as played on this site is pretty much centered on big posts.

Just out of interest, Vordark, why are you voting Umbrage over Yoshi again? Do try to keep your answer as brief as you can, if you don't mind.

cuz

As such, I approve of this post.

CS, at that point, had not shown why his question was from a pro-town perspective, whereas I had argued why it was from an anti-town perspective. So why would he hold that CS was town and I was scum at that point?

So? If I argued that you asking the mod to replace Krazy and Ythan was because you were afraid that they would be able to out you as scum, does that mean that everyone should automatically assume that you're scum until you post to refute it? By your logic, if anyone other than you was to refute that post, I'd be able to declare that they were defending you because you hadn't shown why asking to get them replaced was from a pro-town perspective.

I would like to hear other people's thoughts on DarthYoshi, Quaroath and iamausername.

I've already said that I don't think iamausername should be playing around here if he's not willing to read the long posts. I was a little annoyed at Quaroath but his last few posts have convinced me he's at least making an effort to get in the game; as long as he keeps posting regularly, I don't forsee any problems with him (unless he's scum, naturally). I've seen your case on Darth, and I do agree with some parts of it but I'd rather ISO him myself to see what I come across.

Actually, that last part doesn't sound that bad. Starting tomorrow I'll get to my own ISOs of everyone in this game so I can reassess what's going on.

[Umbrage]

So? If I argued that you asking the mod to replace Krazy and Ythan was because you were afraid that they would be able to out you as scum, does that mean that everyone should automatically assume that you're scum until you post to refute it? By your logic, if anyone other than you was to refute that post, I'd be able to declare that they were defending you because you hadn't shown why asking to get them replaced was from a pro-town perspective.

No, people are entitled to their own opinion. But if the reasons for that opinion are not obvious to everyone, they should state the reasons. Snake Eyes has avoided saying exactly why he considered ConSpiracy to be town, and why he considered me scummy. And he did consider me scummy at that point, that's not debatable. I don't care whether you call it a scumread, scumminess, scumdar, suspicion, FoS, or anything else, he found me scummy, and he found CS town. All I'm trying to figure out is WHY.

[TheBigLebowski]

I'm really sorry, but some

Major

stuff in my life has popped up.

/replace out

[Umbrage]

UNVOTE: TheBigLebowski

Hope everything works out for you.

[implosion]

Searching for a replacement for TheBigLebowski.

[Ythan]

UNVOTE: TheBigLebowski

Hope everything works out for you.

Really?

Abel, we don't need to go into it if it's just a difference of definition.

[Snake Eyes]

Just letting you guys know that I've been sick since yesterday and will do a complete reread in the next few days when I'm feeling better.

[iamausername]

I would like to hear other people's thoughts on DarthYoshi, Quaroath and iamausername.

Well, you already have my thoughts on Yoshi, and I'm sure you don't need my thoughts on myself, but I guess I'll take a look at Quaroath. But only cuz it's you asking.

I read his iso, I think he's doing pretty good now he's actually here. His latest post was definitely one of the more worthwhile ones in this game.

I've already said that I don't think iamausername should be playing around here if he's not willing to read the long posts.

I don't believe I've ever given any indication that I was unwilling to

read

the long posts.

[Krazy]

I don't believe I've ever given any indication that I was unwilling to

read

the long posts.

It's a damn good thing we're all telepaths so that we know exactly what you're thinking about these long posts you so diligently read.

[iamausername]

If I have something to say about them, I'll say it.

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For example; by reading DarthYoshi's long posts, I have determined that he is scum. Why don't you tell us how you feel about that instead of getting angsty about the fact that I'm not posting hundreds of paragraphs to inform you of this simple fact?

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The content of a post is considerably more important than it's length.

[Krazy]

Instead of spamming paragraphs in Latin maybe you could make a case against him instead of begging and pleading with us to make your case for you.

Saying "hey guys this guy is scum because I say so" is not a contribution, sorry.

[iamausername]

No, he's scum because he's not making sincere efforts to find scum, and because he's overly concerned about how he is appearing to everyone else. If you actually read, you may notice that I have already made this case (with assistance from Vordark, admittedly).

I'm not asking you to make a case, I'm just asking you what you think of DarthYoshi. Why are you so reluctant to talk about him?

[Krazy]

@Town as a whole--though I was uneasy with CS’s vote on Umbrage, he hasn’t done anything after that to really set off my scumdar, so my read on him is mostly neutral. My vote is better served elsewhere atm.

Unvote. Vote: Krazy.

Your play so far has been hellaciously anti-town, regardless of your alignment.

I think any vote outside of the RVS needs at least a few words of explanation as to why you are voting

for

someone, but I find it suspicious when someone makes a show of why they are taking it

off

of someone when they move it. It's worrying about appearances and that's something more likely to come from scum than town.

You're wise beyond your years, Vordark. I was more concerned about the fact that he is self-admittedly voting Krazy for reasons that have nothing to do with his alignment, but this may be an even better observation.

^This is you already having done so?

[iamausername]

Yes.

[Krazy]

So when Yoshi says:

Vordark thinks I've spent too much time engaging Krazy, and that I have some unhelpful beliefs about mafia theory. I think that putting pressure on Krazy was the right move, and he is in fact now behaving in a much more townish manner. I don't think I was unduly calling attention to my votes; I think saying my read has changed on someone who I had my vote on is a fairly normal thing to do.

Your response is...?

Or are you hoping to

ignore

Yoshi's response into a lynch?

This I guess is your idea of active scumhunting?