Mini 1122: Mafia.Exe Game Over

[Krazy]

And 9:2 is 3 mislynches to LyLo. 8:2 is 2 mislynches to MyLo. So better to blow a roleblocker on the PGO than an actual kill, especially since I claimed one shot.

GreyIce seems to be a fan of scumslips, so how about this one: he just outted the apparent fact that the scumteam is 2 people. Until this point I had no idea how many people were on the scumteam, but thanks for telling me how many of your buddies there are to look for.

I'm looking forward to his backpedaling from this one.

[Llamarble]

He's proceeding under the assumption of 3 scum, one of them being blown up by the PGO.
This is getting laughable.
Also Nathanael looks town.

[Krazy]

Oh, well if it's

just an assumption

.

[Neruz]

You know Krazy, if you'd just stopped talking and gone into hard lurker mode, you'd look

less

scummy than you do now.

This is going to be great for us after this lynch, because we'll probably be able to find your scumbuddies fairly easily by looking for the players who desperately attempted to distance themselves from your sinking ship, which is also on fire and being invaded by aliens.

[GreyICE]

You know Krazy, if you'd just stopped talking and gone into hard lurker mode, you'd look

less

scummy than you do now.

This is going to be great for us after this lynch, because we'll probably be able to find your scumbuddies fairly easily by looking for the players who desperately attempted to distance themselves from your sinking ship, which is also on fire and being invaded by aliens.

Which is probably the cue for TheButtonman to post...

[TheButtonmen]

You know Krazy, if you'd just stopped talking and gone into hard lurker mode, you'd look

less

scummy than you do now.

This is going to be great for us after this lynch, because we'll probably be able to find your scumbuddies fairly easily by looking for the players who desperately attempted to distance themselves from your sinking ship, which is also on fire and being invaded by aliens.

Which is probably the cue for TheButtonman to post...

A) I'm about the only player who's calling his wagon retarded.
B) Not done re-read / meta work yet.

[Neruz]

Jesus christ GreyICE is psychic.

[Hiraki]

Y'know. I can't help but look at #848.

And cry.

[Krazy]

You know Krazy, if you'd just stopped talking and gone into hard lurker mode, you'd look

less

scummy than you do now.

This is going to be great for us after this lynch, because we'll probably be able to find your scumbuddies fairly easily by looking for the players who desperately attempted to distance themselves from your sinking ship, which is also on fire and being invaded by aliens.

Oh I'm sorry, I claim cop with a guilty and get pushed to L-2 almost immediately. But please, tell me how I should stop posting more. Because that is just about the most pro-town thing you've said all game.

And Hiraki, thanks for being a fan. I really appreciate it.

[Neruz]

Now you're just being desperate, i know you're not stupid enough to think that was the intent behind that post, but by all means keep pretending you are; it makes you look worse.

[Krazy]

I respond sarcastically to posts that snipe at me but don't make a case or provide anything real to respond to. You're right though, it'd probably be better to just go "lol I know right?" But somehow the sarcasm just keeps working its way back in.

[Xine]

Here's a thought. Let's not kill a claimed power role today. Most likely one of them will be killed tonight, and we will have 100% certainty who the scum out of the 2 is tomorrow. Worst case scenario=Scum do not kill one of the two, setting a WIFOM trap, and we lynch one or the other to force a card flip tomorrow, which, if we mis-lynch today is the day before lylo (I think)

Can anyone else support finding a different scum to lynch today?

[GreyICE]

Here's a thought. Let's not kill a claimed power role today. Most likely one of them will be killed tonight, and we will have 100% certainty who the scum out of the 2 is tomorrow. Worst case scenario=Scum do not kill one of the two, setting a WIFOM trap, and we lynch one or the other to force a card flip tomorrow, which, if we mis-lynch today is the day before lylo (I think)

Can anyone else support finding a different scum to lynch today?

OH FOR GODS SAKE.

MAKE SURE THIS IS DEAD TOMORROW, OKAY?

I'M NOT SITTING HERE ROLEBLOCKED FOR ANOTHER NIGHT JESUS H CHRIST.

[Neruz]

And Xine is no.2 chocie for scumbuddy.

Krazy, TBM, Xine is looking

really

good right now.

[Mute]

Here's a thought. Let's not kill a claimed power role today. Most likely one of them will be killed tonight, and we will have 100% certainty who the scum out of the 2 is tomorrow. Worst case scenario=Scum do not kill one of the two, setting a WIFOM trap, and we lynch one or the other to force a card flip tomorrow, which, if we mis-lynch today is the day before lylo (I think)

Can anyone else support finding a different scum to lynch today?

Question: How does not lynching either or and letting the NK result in a 100% certainty on either's role, unless one of those two is NK'd? I don't see much sense to this plan, which is not atypical of me so if you could elaborate further on it, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Krazy I've seen bad/unlucky cop play in one other game of mine (it was RobCapone as cop. It's the Mini 1114 game), but even the cop in that didn't just oust himself after one successful investigation.
I don't buy your claim as cop at all. My mind's telling me that at night or during twilight, Grey got the choice to become either PGO or doc, and chose to become doc. Him outing himself as he did and the plan he laid out's something I think a townie'd do for a gambit, and I think it's safe to say it worked in catching at least one scum.

Vote: Krazy

My math shows this to be L-1.

Grey I'm still trying to fit names to that skit you posted in post #701. It's a very amusing post all the same.

[Neruz]

Putting Krazy at L-1 isn't such a good idea since he can just selfhammer right now, killing discussion for the day and preventing us from accurately locating scum.

[Mute]

Fuck, good point.

Unvote

then, but I still think his claim's BS.

[Krazy]

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Krazy I've seen bad/unlucky cop play in one other game of mine (it was RobCapone as cop. It's the Mini 1114 game), but even the cop in that didn't just oust himself after one successful investigation.

What? Why not? Seriously, if you are cop and have a guilty, the chances of winning after locating a confirmed guilty is ridiculously better than dying with the information the next night. I know that GreyIce has tried very hard to make a cop-oust look strange with his constant references to role-blockers, but I right now have zero reason to believe a roleblocker is in this game. Even if there is, we will have a mafia player out of the game giving us significantly more time to find scum. This logic that a cop should "wait" after he has a guilty just makes no sense to me, and no site I play on out of like three would give me this "cop shouldn't out with guilty!" nonsense. If there was a confirmed roleblocker, I would have thought about it. There isn't.

[Krazy]

Moreover, in the last game where I was cop [off-site], I had a guilty, I got killed, and the town lost.

I out with guilties.

[Krazy]

EBWOP: I died the night I got the guilty, since on re-read that was not clear.

[Mute]

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Krazy I've seen bad/unlucky cop play in one other game of mine (it was RobCapone as cop. It's the Mini 1114 game), but even the cop in that didn't just oust himself after one successful investigation.

What? Why not? Seriously, if you are cop and have a guilty, the chances of winning after locating a confirmed guilty is ridiculously better than dying with the information the next night. I know that GreyIce has tried very hard to make a cop-oust look strange with his constant references to role-blockers, but I right now have zero reason to believe a roleblocker is in this game. Even if there is, we will have a mafia player out of the game giving us significantly more time to find scum. This logic that a cop should "wait" after he has a guilty just makes no sense to me, and no site I play on out of like three would give me this "cop shouldn't out with guilty!" nonsense. If there was a confirmed roleblocker, I would have thought about it. There isn't.

Hey Krazy, I'm happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but here's how I feel cop's should play:

D1: draw either minimal suspicion to not get caught or made a target by scum, or make yourself seem as scummy as possible, in effort to avoid a lynch and an NK, whichever is more profitable.
N1: Inspect someone.
D2: DONT FUCKING REVEAL YOUR RESULT OUTRIGHT. YOU'VE GOT ONE PIECE OF INFO, YOU HANG THE FUCK ONTO IT UNLESS YOU'RE PUT INTO L-2 OR L-1, THEN DROP THE BOMB. Get reads on others and find MORE people to inspect.
N2: Inspect
D3: If two guilty: OUT THE SCUMBAGS LIKE YOU'RE A GIRL ON SPRING BREAK; if one guilty and one innocent, repeat D2; if two innocent shoot yourself in the head for having terrible scum-dar or alternatively REPEAT D2.
This cycle goes on, btw.
This is how I feel a cop should play. This is why I don't buy your claim as cop.

[Neruz]

Krazy: If you were

really

a cop, you'd be going after GreyICE, trying to lynch him. If later in the game you then died and flipped cop, we'd then be able to tell that you had a guilty on GreyICE due to the fact that you were attempting to lynch him.

But you didn't want to do that, because you know you won't flip cop.

[Llamarble]

TOWN ALLIANCE OF DOOM:
Llama
Grey
Neruz
Hiraki

Town:
Nathanael
Pappums

Probably town:
Xine (some of her stuff just feels forthright to me; I guess I'll go into some detail at some point)
MME

Scumteam:
TBM
Mute
Krazy

I have a very very good feeling about this.

[Neruz]

Also:

EBWOP: I died the night I got the guilty, since on re-read that was not clear.

This actually goes against your point; it doesn't matter if you immediately out guilties or not if you die on the same night that you get the result. Derp.

[Krazy]

Okay, so I guess according to Mute and Neruz I'm a bad cop? I still don't get why I would wait until I'm at L-2 to drop the bomb, wouldn't it just look like scumflail at that point? I'm sorry but this seems reverse-meta logic to me. In games with night starts where I've been cop I dropped the bomb with a guilty first post on day 1 and it has worked out fine. You're trying to say it's unrealistic for me to be a cop and do this but I have done this the one time I have been cop and had the chance to, and would have done it the second time had I not been dead. Moreover, I seem to recall several games during the marathon where me or other cops did exactly this.

I'm sorry that you disagree with my playstyle. I am infected by other-site-meta. I might not fit your profile of a "pro cop" but I am still a cop. I came out with a guilty. This was, from my understanding, what cops do when they have guilties.