Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

[Espeonage]

I'm talking that using that post after they flip scum. Geddit?

[GreyICE]

I'd rather lynch Tragedy over Kise.

Vote: Tragedy

I'll park my vote here for now. Not voting for Kise today, and tbqh, PO's towniness weighs out Esp's lack of towniness.

Though the pain that the Esp wagon is having in actually getting pushed through is worrisome, as either that means Esp is scum and his scumbuddies are trying to stop the lynch, or he's town and scum is already on the wagon.

Reckoner... you giant hypocrite. You just FOSed me for this and then did the same thing

We ain't scum, and your read on Kise is dead wrong.

[Purple Orange]

Unvote, Vote: Tragedy

Mkay. Still think Kise is more likely scum. :p But I can roll with this.

[Tragedy]

Mkay.

I still don't get why PO is even easily influenced by GreyICE. =O

Fucking loving Reck.

[Purple Orange]

Err...I'm voting for you because you guys were a prior scumread of mine, because I have a townread on practically everyone else, and because Espy is convinced to the bottom of his soul that you two are scum.

Traj. Who do you think should die if Espy/me flip town?

[xRECKONERx]

I'd rather lynch Tragedy over Kise.

Vote: Tragedy

I'll park my vote here for now. Not voting for Kise today, and tbqh, PO's towniness weighs out Esp's lack of towniness.

Though the pain that the Esp wagon is having in actually getting pushed through is worrisome, as either that means Esp is scum and his scumbuddies are trying to stop the lynch, or he's town and scum is already on the wagon.

Reckoner... you giant hypocrite. You just FOSed me for this and then did the same thing

We ain't scum, and your read on Kise is dead wrong.

Well, now that I actually paid attention, this fucking game is meandering and something has to be done. Plus, we can glean information based on wagon analysis, which is honestly going to be our best tool right now.

[EmpTyger]

(Still going to wait for Hiraki to finish and confer.)


Everyone arguing that Mariyta is werewolf:
Can someone explain to me why werewolf-Mariyta proposed an out for Kcda?


PO:
It didn’t seem very likely that you’d be around after the next flip. And I usually find it interesting to look back on what a player had said, after their alignment gets confirmed. Whatever the alignment.


Kise:
Huh? You were the one who was misreading: you had attributed Llama’s position to me.
(I presumed the matter was settled when you dropped it…?)


Llama:
Why do you suspect Kise (other than the possibility of him bussing Espeonage)?


Espeonage:
Of Kise and Mariyta, I’d vote Kise. But I’m not voting yet, and when I do, I’ll not be limiting myself to those 2.

[Llamarble]

UNVOTE; VOTE KISE

I reread Kise, then read PO's 1487. 1487 is good. Kise hasn't given out townreads and has stayed in a small space. Kise's posting doesn't look like that of a player who is trying to figure the game out or truly cares who gets lynched. The exception to that is the Reck episode, and I doubt Kisescum is any less likely than Kisetown to go after someone he thinks he has caught lying.

[Kise]

Getting townreads from me is irrelevent when I've explicably called po-esp, grey, and ashblade as the likely scum in that order. So then... guess whos left to fill those town spots? I am very comfortable with leaving the game in a reck-nero-dram-?-trag-? finale if it ever came to that. Just fucking lynch esp and if theyre town then lynch me without a fight. Seriously. Not once did i imply i wanted to survive to endgame, as i know im not everyone's top town read. I already felt like i would be a quick-lynchee for my OWN proposal. If you thought i care about living til endgame, i dont. What i dont want is for PO to claw her pair out of a lynch when its been obvious to me at least that theyre not worth keeping around. "Walking" contradictions. PO's old case was shut down, but shes found new things to call me scummy for? lololol. She cant decide whether i have a chance of being town or obvscum? lolololol.

[GreyICE]

Getting townreads from me is irrelevent when I've explicably called po-esp, grey, and ashblade as the likely scum in that order. So then... guess whos left to fill those town spots? I am very comfortable with leaving the game in a reck-nero-dram-?-trag-? finale if it ever came to that. Just fucking lynch esp and if theyre town then lynch me without a fight. Seriously.

3 free lynches to LyLo.

I'd be game if the rest of the town is.

I will say this... I highly doubt scum is bussing.

[SensFan]

Espeonage - 6 (Mariyta, Nero Cain, Kise, Dram, Ashblade, Tragedy)
Tragedy - 4 (Espeonage, GreyICE, xRECKONERs, Purple Orange)
Kise - 1 (Llamarble)

Not Voting - 5 (EmpTyger, PrayPiotr, Hiraki, werewolf555, antihero)

9 to lynch.

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Pending Replacements:
Mariyta
werewolf555

PrayPiotr

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*Note that PP did pick up his prod, but seeing as I have two other slots to replace in front of him anyways, he's tentatively on this list, until he posts*

[Purple Orange]

Unvote, Vote: Kise

@Emp:

Can someone explain to me why werewolf-Mariyta proposed an out for Kcda?

Maybe because she wasn't serious? Can you explain why town-Mariyta would call kcda scum for trying to do precisely what she suggested?

@ Grey - Well, I think you can deduce my answer to that.

@ Kise - 1) Quicklynch proposals in and of themselves do seem to be null. :p Which

is

something I was willing to make allowance for, and which is why it took the vote pattern and the dodging capsrage post to tip the balance. Lack of townreads + some of the stuff Grey brought up strengthened the read. 2) Espy thought your wobble in 1468 meant you were even more certainly scum...to me it looked way more like one of those twinges of doubt that town sometimes get, but mafia never can. What can I say? I had a wobble in response.

[xRECKONERx]

I seriously don't want this lynch to happen.

Kise seems town to me.

PO saying that he essentially didn't find Kise that scummy but he "had a wobble" and is now voting him sounds really fucking fishy.

[Purple Orange]

???? It's the continuation of an exchange with him. Here:

Spoiler: the previous stuff

Okay.. so ur supposed to be sold on me as scum, right? If so, why are you still questioning me / trying to figure me out? Your continued q&a method comes across more as you trying desperately to find SOMETHING to use against me. I'm tempted to completely ignore you because ur dragging me in circles.

I actually wanted to lay things out as cleanly and straight as I could today, as soon as possible. Because I suck at subtlety, and because it's the fastest and best and fairest way to get to the bottom of things, and because if you're town, I want to get this cleaned up and over with. (And yeah. You still make posts that makes me go "town????" and "maybe I'm wrong.") Ended up asking you questions again today, however, because I didn't want to misrep you, or be subject to that accusation. And because I thought there was some ambiguity that you could wiggle out of if I didn't nail you down to an answer.

"Walking" contradictions. PO's old case was shut down, but shes found new things to call me scummy for? lololol. She cant decide whether i have a chance of being town or obvscum? lolololol.

Am voting for him because I still read him as scummier than Mari/Traj right now. Not very sure that the lynch is going to happen...at the moment Mari's seems more likely than his, and ours WAY more likely. But if there's a chance on it, I'm going back there.

Why are you reading him as town?

[SensFan]

Xalxe replaces in. By request, he will be replacing werewolf555.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe replaces in. By request, he will be replacing werewolf555.

Greetings kinky lovers. I am here due to werewolf's

sexual exhaustion

inability to post or whatever. Anything specific I should read before I embark on the massive read?

[Espeonage]

Skip the ALLCAPS slinging. It's an enjoyable read but it's a bit of a waste of time.

[Xalxe]

Oh, here I was thinking I had accidentally allcapsed.

Whereabouts is that?

[Espeonage]

Teens or 20s. Can't remember.

[Hiraki]

Espeonage's posts.

[Purple Orange]

Oh, here I was thinking I had accidentally allcapsed.

Whereabouts is that?

Middle of day 1. Sort of hard to miss. The tl;dr (as people still refer to it all the time later) = Reck and Kise have a big argument, where Kise accuses Reck (or Nero) of having a conversation with him, that Reck (and Nero) swear never occurred. End result: Kise still insists that the conversation happened, and

had

to be with Reck or Nero, as they're the only people (aside from one other guy, that he talked to in ages) on his IM list. Reck and Nero still say they never had such a conversation. Kise and Reck have both dropped the matter, saying that somewhere someone must just be mistaken somehow. Everyone has eventually followed their lead.

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Oh, and also, before I die...is anyone dying for exhaustive votecounts of days 1-3 (and maybe 4)? I got miffed at sens and made some for myself. Day 1

might

be missing an intermediate step or two (a player voted for one person, then for another, then for another, and I don't have a record of the middle vote), but days 2 and 3 have every change in them somewhere.

[Tragedy]

If PO/Esp flips town, down with Kise.

[EmpTyger]

Vote: Espeonage

Xalxe:
Why werewolf555?


PO:

Can you explain why town-Mariyta would call kcda scum for trying to do precisely what she suggested?

Um... Kcda didn't do what she suggested?

Mariyta suggested that Kcda relay his posts through Baby Spice.
Instead, both of them stopped posting completely for a week, and were called on it. And Mariyta called them found both suspicious when they posted on their return.

(Or, if you prefer, the explanation Mariyta gave you herself D2:

"Baby Spice took the reprieve given to her partner and jumped on the first wagon to form. I haven't had a read on her to this point, but her recent play is deliciously scumalicious." / "Kcda's play is newb-scummy, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Til his partner came in and ruined that, of course."

)

I don't see any problem with that. And, as I said before, I don't see a werewolf providing them that initial respite.

[SensFan]

Papa Zito replaces Mariyta, effective immediately.

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Prodding Dram and Antihero.

[Papa Zito]

Oh hai.

So what are we doing?