In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)

[DTMaster]

DGB can you answer my questions? Do you need a summary of all the questions I asked?

[DrippingGoofball]

I say screw the implications of people who I fake cleared. The person I fake cleared is a town read. So NYA!

It wasn't a town read when we tried to lynch him. And then... you didn't do much to get us to lynch him despite your

FAKE

clear.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB can you answer my questions? Do you need a summary of all the questions I asked?

You're scum, so it's a waste of time.

[DTMaster]

Because I preferred someone else not on the major wagons? Hello good DGB, recall how I deflated the Hito wagon and a bunch of other junk.

Today I carry my read, because I think it's right based on new information today. What I walked into D2 wasn't enough for me to clear him. If you reread what I did to defend Nopoint, it required that Hito needed to shoot someone AND scum shooting Tajo for me to clear Nopoint NOW. Because of what I know NOW, I don't care because I SEE NOW he's town. Thus hurry and convince Hito to vote me and get the others to vote me. You can start by answering my questions because ignoring them isn't helping you convince them. Come on now, I'm deliciously juicy to lynch. I want to be lynched so your entire masonry isn't wrong for an entire phase AND you don't waste Hito's kill.

[DTMaster]

No its not, Mafia is also about convincing the other person. Every time you ignore me, is another vote switch. Oh wait did I just admit that? Lololololol.

[DTMaster]

Hey DGB, when I die answer my questions post death. I want it. I want to relish in it. Come on now, bloc vote the DTM. All it takes is an L-1 vote and this blood fruit can be picked from the tree.

[DTMaster]

Recall the game I just linked, I failed to convince town that I was town enough. I was right, but my credibility was shot. :p Oh wait did I just say DGB was right? lololol.

[DTMaster]

Hey NS: Can you bless us with your brain?

[DrippingGoofball]

Reminder:

@DGB
1. I'd be willing to investigate Feysal only on the off chance there's distancing afoot. But due to the wagon shifts that occurred last day I might have to agree with the Feysal-town read supported stronger by Spyrex, and go from there.

[Benmage]

@Benmage: So you know there is more then one scum member left in the game?

I dont know.

Then your "assuming" Corv is town then?

Where'd you get that?

But Fishy also voted Benmage.

Benmage is just scummy. Sorry I can't shake that feeling from him. It's why I'm voting Corvuus. Plus Benmage comment about the temple shooting DTM at night anyways is either he knows Corvuus is town or Corvuus is his scum buddy.

or DGB said thats whats happening if we dont lynch him...

Ben made a big tell and get's ignored.

What tell?

SHOOT ME TONIGHT.

Lynch Farside tomorrow....can we end today already?

[DrippingGoofball]

[quote="zoraster"]

FINAL Day 2 Vote Count

Andrius ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

populartajo ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

hitogoroshi ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

nopointinactingup ( 5 ) Equinox,

Fishythefish,

populartajo,

Nobody Special,

AlmasterGM,

(L - 3 )

Equinox ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

farside22 ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

Feysal ( 1 ) Lost Butterfly,

(L - 7 )

Lost Butterfly ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

Corvuus ( 1 ) DTMaster,

(L - 7 )

Benmage ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

*** Almaster GM ( 8 ) ***

Andrius, nopointinactingup, Corvuus, hitogoroshi,

DrippingGoofball,

farside22,

Feysal

, Benmage,

(L - 0 )

DTMaster

,

( 0 ) [/color]

(L - 8 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

Not Voting ( 0 )
Total Votes ( 15 )

I'm re-examining this votecount.

I will now check how much effort our fakeclaiming, fakeclearing hider made to suggest that we NOT take his "clear" too seriously.

[farside22]

@All not paying attention:

Benmage stated that if we lynch Corvuus that the temple of fruit will shoot DTM tonight.
How would a player with "

no ability

" know either
(1) Corvuus scum is not the only scum in the game (2) If one scum left means Corvuus is town.
IE: SLIP!

[DrippingGoofball]

While we were running up a wagon on nopoint, DTM was lurking.

The votecount above is on page 87. You have to go back to page 82 to find a DTM post: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:40 pm - and he had to be prodded for it, his previous post being on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:26 pm. He vanished for 3 days. Then he came back and posted this wall:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2855960

What does he have to say about nopoint in that mega-post?

4. Nopoint: Why aren't you trying to find scumz and look for scumz reads?

That's IT. That's all DTM says about nopoint. DTM is not telling us that nopoint is scummy and we should lynch him despite the "clear," as a fakeclaiming hider should do.

Then, he makes this post of smokescreen rubbish:

Lol I missed that... hmmm dilemma planning comes from Courvis/TMH-town is a strong argument that I can't refute. This comes from TMH's earlier: NS could be town reads, and is independent from that mess. I should mull over some stuffs. Particularity, post Jack gambit.

To which Equinox replies:

While you're reevaluating,

would you help me lynch nopointinactingup?

This guy needs a wagon.

WHY AM I BOTHERING WITH THIS?

Because it shows that DTMaster missed many opportunities to hint that his nopoint clear was utter nonsense, and that it ought not to be trusted.

And what does that mean?

It means that DTM intended to carry on with the Hider charade for a long, long time.

He intended to pull the wool over our eyes - until WE, the town, stopped him.

I repeat: the only reason he recanted his fakeclaim is after we threatened to test it with a vig shot.

I'd be very happy if we lynched this obv scum. How much more hard evidence do you guys need?

[DrippingGoofball]

Benmage stated that if we lynch Corvuus that the temple of fruit will shoot DTM tonight.
How would a player with "

no ability

" know either
(1) Corvuus scum is not the only scum in the game (2) If one scum left means Corvuus is town.
IE: SLIP!

Explain this better, because I've been promising to target DTMaster with Coconut Laser Rays if he isn't lynched.

[DrippingGoofball]

(1) Corvuus scum is not the only scum in the game (2) If one scum left means Corvuus is town.
IE: SLIP!

I've been saying there are two scumz left myself. @ scumz and one Traitor seems a little weak, with a vig and a cop.

[farside22]

(1) Corvuus scum is not the only scum in the game (2) If one scum left means Corvuus is town.
IE: SLIP!

I've been saying there are two scumz left myself. @ scumz and one Traitor seems a little weak, with a vig and a cop.

Benmage is "asking" others what they think. Come on seriously? He acts like it's fact.
I personally think seeing 3 scum team +1 traitor + scum God is too much for an 18 player game. Then again it depends on the scum win condition.
Ben seems certain with his post that tonight you will shoot DTM that Corv's flip means either another scum player in the game or Corv is town.
I certainly don't see it as certain.

[zoraster]

Day 3 Vote Count

Andrius ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

hitogoroshi ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

nopointinactingup ( 1 ) hitogoroshi,

(L - 6 )

Equinox ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

farside22 ( 1 ) Corvuus,

(L - 6 )

Lost Butterfly ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Corvuus ( 1 ) farside22,

(L - 6 )

Benmage ( 1 ) nopointinactingup,

(L - 6 )

DTMaster ( 5 )

DrippingGoofball,

Andrius,

Nobody Special,

DTMaster, Benmage,

(L - 2 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Not Voting ( 3 )

Fishythefish,

Lost Butterfly, Equinox,
Total Votes ( 12 )

Deadline: March 18th at 11:00 EST
With 12 able to vote, 7 needed to lynch.

[Andrius]

Yeah, that's right.
Keep non-voting LB and Equinox.
We know who's not getting a piece of the victory fruitcake when town wins!
hito join the DTM wagon plzkthx.<3

[DrippingGoofball]

Maybe I'm slow. Let's do this piece by piece.

I personally think seeing 3 scum team +1 traitor + scum God is too much for an 18 player game. Then again it depends on the scum win condition.

Maybe. Against 2 town gods, 11 townies that include one cop and one vig.

Ben seems certain with his post that tonight you will shoot DTM

It is certain that we will, we've said so.

that Corv's flip means either another scum player in the game or Corv is town.

That's what I don't get. Corv scum flip? Town flip? That's the hiccup I'm not getting at all.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah, that's right.
Keep non-voting LB and Equinox.
We know who's not getting a piece of the victory fruitcake when town wins!
hito join the DTM wagon plzkthx.<3

Well we know Fishy will never vote DTM, haha.

[hitogoroshi]

my gut absolutely hates this but if my temple AND DTM are telling me to vote DTM I won't keep dragging this out I guess.

Vote: DTMaster

[Andrius]

Yeah, that's right.
Keep non-voting LB and Equinox.
We know who's not getting a piece of the victory fruitcake when town wins!
hito join the DTM wagon plzkthx.<3

Well we know Fishy will never vote DTM, haha.

Hence me not including him.

[DrippingGoofball]

Day 2 Vote Count

Corvuus ( 5 ) DTMaster,

populartajo

, farside22,

DrippingGoofball,

Equinox,

Who is scum on that wagon?

[Fishythefish]

I haven't been able to keep up with this game today. I'm sorry about this; I intend to fix it in the next few hours.

[DrippingGoofball]

I said that Jack's flip whether as town or scum shows NS is the scum God.

I'm surprised that after all the issues people are seeing with Corvuus, no one has caught this. The argument here is that NS is the scum god no matter what Jack/AGM flips. If that is a foregone conclusion, why would a flip be needed at all? What information would be left to be gained from it?

After two wall posts devoted almost exclusively to Jack/AGM, I'm amazed Corvuus has never noticed this. Another thing is that he has ignored the fact that Jack also claimed being told by NS that themanhimself, his predecessor, was also scum. Clearly it makes no sense to expect that Jack would've been telling the straight truth about what NS had said. SpyreX thinking so was already weird, Corvuus thinking so is completely irrational.

Combined with the things others have pointed out, Corvuus looks like a fine suspect. His attempt to have Jack/AGM lynched makes no sense.

The problem with that is I agree Corvuus being scum would mean Fishy was the scum god. But to be honest, I've spent most of the game wondering about that. Our QT is rather barren, and while much of the blame for that falls on me for my repeated absences, it means I've never had a very strong read on Fishy either way. I've been leaning town on him only because his ability would be so easy for scum to abuse, and because NS is just not there.

By the way, something that pinged my gut was this post:

The interesting thing is that Fishy stated that most everyone has stated that they have their concerns, but felt NS was far scummier except Corv.

I don't know if farside paraphrased this or something, but if Fishy indeed called NS "scummy", that does not sound right. From his personal vantage point, if he is town, he should be practically certain that NS was scum.

Vote: Corvuus

Can't be helped, this is where my suspicions lie. I could compromise for nopoint, though I really don't have anything on him... which of course is the problem.

I'm not sure what the above means for Corvuus' alignment.