FrogErgoSum (3): DaSpot, Greymarble, Final Destination
BeaverWeasel (2): Balam, YosFlavouredCayke
Final Destination (1): FrogErgoSum
Final Destination was talking about Untrod Stranger, not YosFlavouredCayke. This is a terrible twist. In fact, here's the link to Final Destination's post, which conveniently quotes a post about Untrod Stranger. Note the full first paragraph there.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Bullshit. This is a lie. You were voting YosCayke and pushing their wagon for most of Day 1 and you were still doing it at the end.Final Destination wrote:I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.
This is in reference to your comment about BeaverWeasel's 323. If you did not use "bad" to mean "scummy," what did you mean? You never really elaborated on this. Further, since you're on an entirely different wagon altogether, I'd like your thoughts on the other wagons.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Bad =/= scummy.
"Very controversial indeed." Can you define this term "controversial" for me, please? This doesn't tell me anything.Unicorn Brethren wrote:Nothing changed between the 6th and the 9th other than we felt a case had been built against US that we felt needed to be followed through on. Also after doing some rereading this head finds the Yos/Cayke disagreement leading to a last minute hop onto the US wagon to be very controversial indeed.
Its not a lie, but you're right. We spent more time on AIM saying "holy fuck both Yos and FES are scummy, who do we vote?" than we did in thread. We figured ONE of you two was scum, and were fence-sitting on that issue, but by NO MEANS AT ALL were we going to say "well if Yos is scum->FES town->>>>US=scum" because FES was scummy enough in his own right that US was townish for attacking him.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Bullshit.Final Destination wrote:I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.This is a lie. You were voting YosCayke and pushing their wagon for most of Day 1 and you were still doing it at the end.
MAYBE FES is town, not "FES IS TOWN US IS SCUM" that was never our stance. We knew it was implausible you were BOTH scum (besides are read on both of you being scum) but at that time we wanted to go the YosCayke direction and gave you some ROPE to pull yourself/hangyourself/be useful.Final Destination wrote:Aka: We've come to the conclusion that if only one of FES/YOS is scum, its Yos, and that MAYBE just MAYBE FES is town that actually is bullheaded and stupid enough to think we're scum for shitty reasons, but at least he BELIEVES IT and is willing to ARGUE IT. Whereas Yos dodged every chance he can to elaborate on why we're scum, or to colloborate with his Ethersextownbuddy on our alignment.
P.S.:
FES, get your act together if you're town. Seriously.
[AGM Approved]
I have a gut town read on #23. Partly because I think I know who part of that hydra is.Question: Do you disagree that #323 and #328 are bad and good posts respectively?
Ok, then NIGHT ended, and was THIS your good post?:We intended to get in a good post (i.e. not a one-liner like that one) later, but then the Day ended.
Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Isn't "Quoting your hydra qt is fine." just the naïve go-to position? We think it's a town tell because it suggests there are things in the qt that they want to quote, but not because they held the wrong position re: hydra QTs.Lord Fonzi wrote:however we (and particularly the Fonz head) think that the QT-posting thing, given that it would likely be disastrous for scum, is an enormous towntell.
Vote: Final Destination
Associative tells is the key word - you were still being a total scumbag, but we had doubts your duo would be scum together, and our read on Yos was stronger so we temporarily put you in the "not worrying about it" category. But then Yos finished the day with a strong town pull and you finished by being even more scummy. So that read flip-flopped. We just never got the chance to post it because there was a quickwagon derrrrp.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Hmm. I obviously leaped to a conclusion there, but it's ambiguous - US is tangential to that what he's talking about and the supposed relation between our alignment and YosCayke's is clearly established in FD's posting. In any case it's still a lie - at the end of the day he was advocating that YFC was scum and that by associative tells we weren't.
My other head hasn't answered me yet, so he might give his own reasons, but for me it seemed like we were doing everything we could to stop it by trying to prove FES was scum. To be perfectly honest, though, I wasn't on the site much around when US was being voted a lot, and his lynch was a complete shock to me.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:
Also, I wanted to ask DaSpot about this:
He said this after the hammer, but before the alignment reveal. Re-reading his earlier posts, he did at one point briefly mention that he thought US was pro-town, but he never really tried to defend him or argue against the wagon, even though he was around while it was building up. It just seems odd to me; DaSpot, if you guys were THAT sure that the US wagon was going to be a bad one, why didn't you try harder to stop it?DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:.... you all are idiots.
-Yos
Thank you for the endorsement.An explanation of our lacking presence: we had decided pre-game to have this hydra be a one head posts style hydra. Our inspiration for this was the high quality of play from copper, a well known hydra.
Fate and AlmasterGM both strike us as players who do not need to be told that "serious mode" has begun.I do approve of the Dana wagon, and was not aware we were getting into serious mode.
ISO 29 gives a very different picture of their motivations. But now, they prefer FES over YFC, despite YFC having the worst vote on the US wagon, because "Cayke made the vote which makes me feel better." That seems like awfully specious reasoning for such a dramatic reversal. He’s now calling YFC a "pocket townbuddy" of FES. We can’t help but wonder if this switch is because YFC is now voting for someone else and FES is still voting for FD.This is easily the worse vote on that terri-bad UStranger lynch. I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, akaour stance on FES being scumyesterday.
That sentence reads as us hoping that Fonz and Gurgi will soon lose their competence. Pretend we wrote this instead:No real content has come from this slot. Fonz and Gurgi are competent players; hopefully that will soon change.
No real content has come from this slot. Fonz and Gurgi are competent players, so hopefully that will soon change.
You derpa AGM.AlmasterGM wrote:[AGM]
Associative tells is the key word - you were still being a total scumbag, but we had doubts your duo would be scum together, and our read on Yos was stronger so we temporarily put you in the "not worrying about it" category. But then Yos finished the day with a strong town pull and you finished by being even more scummy. So that read flip-flopped. We just never got the chance to post it because there was a quickwagon derrrrp.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Hmm. I obviously leaped to a conclusion there, but it's ambiguous - US is tangential to that what he's talking about and the supposed relation between our alignment and YosCayke's is clearly established in FD's posting. In any case it's still a lie - at the end of the day he was advocating that YFC was scum and that by associative tells we weren't.
And then the morning hit, and we made our stance abundantly clear. So stop acting like "OMG FD is making stuff up!" Our advocacy is 100% clear ALL. THE. TIME.
Also, it's really telling how bad your vote is that it's all predicated on "yeah, but's." E.g., You say something that's wrong, somebody tells you its wrong, and then you go, "Yeah, but what about THISSS!"
[FATE APPROVED]
That was a derpa slip that lead to the confusion of where we stand.Final Destination wrote:
This is easily the worse vote on that terri-bad UStranger lynch. I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aLa our stance on FES being scum yesterday.
That was my misunderstanding about you lot, then. (I was the one who brought up the concept of a committee-post hydra based upon my belief that you did so and you all seem to work smoothly, so yar). To answer your wondering about my lack of posting, it's due to the fact that I don't find my typical posing style to be conducive to smooth hydra performance / clarity of reads, and I really don't want to actively change how I naturally type things up. Instead, I just post my reads in the hydra QT. If you'dCopper wrote:Balam:
Thank you for the endorsement.An explanation of our lacking presence: we had decided pre-game to have this hydra be a one head posts style hydra. Our inspiration for this was the high quality of play from copper, a well known hydra.
And actually, we are not a "one head posts" hydra. We do strive for a similarity in posting style and convergence in reads so that reading us is the same as reading a normal player.
Interestingly, after claiming their heads to help explain their activity failure, it has been exclusively Equinox posting in the thread. The optimistic interpretation is that Equinox has found more time and is going back to being the "posting head." However, now that we know the identities of the involved players, I’m curious as to why Rayfrost and AGar are not posting in thread.
The unicorns are out of brains.Unicorn Brethren wrote:Hi. The Unicorns are out for blood.
We will be happy with goring any of the following:
-DaSpotthatkillsu (<deadweight/scum)
-Greymarble (<scum)
-FinalDestination (<kickingscreamingweight)
-Mystery player (<obvscum)
DerpGreyICE wrote:The unicorns are out of brains.Unicorn Brethren wrote:Hi. The Unicorns are out for blood.
We will be happy with goring any of the following:
-DaSpotthatkillsu (<deadweight/scum)
-Greymarble (<scum)
-FinalDestination (<kickingscreamingweight)
-Mystery player (<obvscum)
Copper was fucking excellent posting, <3 whoever the hell makes up that hydra.
BTW, this hydra has a natural flow because all the posts stem from a single source
This is agreeable.Unicorn Brethren wrote:Hi. The Unicorns are out for blood.
We will be happy with goring any of the following:
-DaSpotthatkillsu (<deadweight/scum)
-Greymarble (<scum)
-FinalDestination (<kickingscreamingweight)
-Mystery player (<obvscum)
This is a fair point. If Equinox again finds herself unable to post for a significant time period, I expect you to shoulder the burden. But if she is frequently posting and stating your thoughts to your satisfaction, then no, you are under no specific obligation to post.Balam wrote: That was my misunderstanding about you lot, then. (I was the one who brought up the concept of a committee-post hydra based upon my belief that you did so and you all seem to work smoothly, so yar). To answer your wondering about my lack of posting, it's due to the fact that I don't find my typical posing style to be conducive to smooth hydra performance / clarity of reads, and I really don't want to actively change how I naturally type things up. Instead, I just post my reads in the hydra QT. If you'd like me to start spamming posting when I feel like posting without discussing with my fellow heads, then by all means say so. Do be warned, though: it'll likely double our post count (which would be rather unfortunate, in my opinion).
This is an especially humorous line to accidentally post from your main account.GreyICE wrote:BTW, this hydra has a natural flow because all the posts stem from a single source
I think I've explained my town read on Patheric half a dozen times by this point; if you have any specific questions, I'll be glad to answer them. I would say that I'd expect most pro-town people to read Ether's attack on Gummy and think "Huh, she's probably not scum, I can't see a scum being that aggressive this early for so little personal gain here", while I'd expect a scum to look at it (especally if I'm right and both Patheric and Gummy are town) and say "Hey, there's some odd posting there, I bet I can get a mislynch through on Ether because of that, plus here's a good town v town fight going between gummy and Patheric, let's see if I can keep it going." I do think attacking Ether for those posts is something a scum is more likely to do then a town.Copper wrote: There are two major problems we have with YosCayke. The first being this absolute read on Patheric that's really bordering on being over-the-top. Post 166 is a good example of this, where YosCayke is not just recognizing Patheric as an obvious townie, but actually goes so far as to lambast FD for not having the same opinion. We've read over this and the surrounding posts several times, and every time we do this sticks out as awkward and clumsy.
Distance myself from US? What do you mean?The second is mostly contained in post 341, where we've got this idea that YosCayke is trying to distance themselves from the growing and soon-to-be hammered US. This really cannot sit well with anyone. If YosCayke takes the same aggressive approach against FD that they did yesterday, this might serve to excuse them somewhat, but the US vote is hardly what we'd consider purposeful. How are we supposed to read this? A resigned concession for the wagon to go ahead or as a firm proponent of the wagon? Are we supposed to see it as both? This is probably not as harsh of a criticism as it’s being made to seem, it could probably even be argued that we're being a bit overcritical of the slot, but Copper is not sold on the idea that YosCayke is town.
Your previous post clearly implied differently, stating a level of consistency that simply wasn't there.FD wrote:We just never got the chance to post it because there was a quickwagon derrrrp.
And then the morning hit, and we made our stance abundantly clear. So stop acting like "OMG FD is making stuff up!" Our advocacy is 100% clear ALL. THE. TIME.
If you make a mistake, your case is void!FD wrote:Also, it's really telling how bad your vote is that it's all predicated on "yeah, but's." E.g., You say something that's wrong, somebody tells you its wrong, and then you go, "Yeah, but what about THISSS!"
We think it's a townie's duty to point out true things. Thus, I see the truth of those statements to be pretty relevant to motivation.FD wrote:But ok... so you're saying unless you say somethign CONTROVERSIAL that I DISAGREE with we can't find you scum? That seems to be what you're implying, that because "well what I SAID wasn't wrong, was it?" that somehow constitutes as a defense of TOWN motivation in your posts. You're wrong, and scum.
*shrug* Priorities change.FD wrote:Ok, then NIGHT ended, and was THIS your good post?:
Modification: We will also lynch anyone we feel like lynching. Which could be any of you.Unicorn Brethren wrote:Hi. The Unicorns are out for blood.
We will be happy with goring any of the following:
-DaSpotthatkillsu (<deadweight/scum)
-Greymarble (<scum)
-FinalDestination (<kickingscreamingweight)
-Mystery player (<obvscum)