Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[Antitown]

snark because ~*~obviously~*~ scum don't react anything less than seriously

Whoever elevated snark to a scum tell should be burnt at the stake.

I will not be reading Lady µß's posts from now on.

^Is still voting Grey, btw.

Vi's recent vote on me is...WTF.

This

[Seraphim]

I'm probably going to unvote GreyICE(sad that there's no point in making a giant post but I guess that's just the backlash for my procrastinating) but I want to play Devil's Advocate.

GreyICE: why are you so sure that the scum is the Red Dragon clan?

[GreyICE]

I'm probably going to unvote GreyICE(sad that there's no point in making a giant post but I guess that's just the backlash for my procrastinating) but I want to play Devil's Advocate.

GreyICE: why are you so sure that the scum is the Red Dragon clan?

Well I guess Fate could have given me a one shot investigate that determines if someone is a member of a specific town faction.

A town faction that contains Vicious, the villain of the series.

And is a crime syndicate.

*beats head against wall*

I would suppose, from the flavor, that my investigate is not going to find a serial killer if there's any, but Red Dragon clan is scum.

[UncertainKitten]

@Toasty: No, my claim. The one that cleared GI in the first place.

@Seraphim: Well, you could reassess other players since GI being town changes the game a little.

[GreyICE]

You mean. The result. Of an investigation. Is what clears me?

THE FUCK?

Explain, plox.

It doesn't clear you, but if you get a scum result on someone, and we then lynch them because of it...A town flip=LIES, u get lynched. A scum flip, then I'd be willing to say your town.

If you get a town result, you could just be trying to clear someone. So, my opinion does to some extent rely on the results.

So your rationale is that I might claim a fake guilty on day 2 to get a mislynch.

Or you're setting up WIFOM in case I investigate you.

Dee dee dee. I can make a bet...

[Seraphim]

Alright, I call bullshit, I must have missed that part of your claim before.

I claim Vicious and I'm town. I'm not part of any 'faction', though it says I am the enforcer of the Red Dragon clan. I'm not claiming any powers.

[GreyICE]

Um... my power clearly finds members of the red dragon clan.

The best I've got here is that you just claimed miller. I can't figure out any scum reason why you'd claim that, but I can't figure out any sane reason that I'd have a power that tells me someone is a member of the Red Dragon clan and have them, I dunno, just be a random subset of the players. That feels like a particularly bastard way to cause two mislynches in a row. Fate's setup isn't gonna fucking blow that badly.

[UncertainKitten]

Well then, your flip is all the more important now, Seraphim. It could actually change some things.

[Seraphim]

I've got sort of a tinfoil hat theory that the bounty hunters in the game are scum and that the hunted are town and that your role may be a cheap way to confirm a member of the town...and if Spike's in the game, he's some sort of godfather? This idea is sorta dampened by the fact that I have no fucking idea how that would be balanced and the fact that I have a bounty power.

I hope my setup speculation makes a wee bit more sense from this angle.

But honestly, I have no clue what to think right now.

[Seraphim]

........UK, are you honestly suggesting that we lynch me REGARDLESS of my alignment?

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I'll admit your claim has me thinking, but to be honest, I can't really base any conjecture off of it without it being mod confirmed. The fact you are really rather scummy makes me comfortable with this.

And yes, I sort've am. But I'm also placing a wager you'll flip scum. Because I'm pretty sure you will. But if you DON'T, then things could very well change. It's like, if I thought you were town, I wouldn't suggest this. But I think you're scum, so I'm comfortable lynching you regardless of what you flip for information purposes. If that makes sense?

[Seraphim]

I was thinking Vicious might be possible but who the hell would he be partnered with?

BTW, if this is worth anything, I definitely breadcrumbed here. I was legitimately wondering who the fuck might else be scum if my character, someone who I was totally expecting to me scum, wasn't.

[GreyICE]

...

Fucking goddamn it. Every way I wrap my head around it, this doesn't even make sense. There is NO reason for a 1-shot investigate to come in a town with a miller. It's like 'haha, your already mediocre power is crappier.'

And Seraphim has to be worried I use it on him.

But the flipside is that I stated I don't suspect him, I'd see me as MUCH more likely to use it on Toasty or Vi (because I was, goddamn it) and I don't want to lynch him today.

Anyone else wanna claim Red Dragon clan here?

No one else speaks up, I think we

might

be dealing with a miller.

[Jahudo]

It all depends on the overall power balance. 1-shot investigate and miller can co-exist easily if the mod thinks the town is sufficiently balanced in terms of numbers and maybe other roles. Some mods don't want people to depend on cops, so they throw in a neutralizer.

Red Dragon doesn't have to mean scum or miller. This mafia could be the Bebop crew like my game was (though doubtful since Fate read that game and would want to take this theme and do his own thing), or the Space Warriors, red eye smugglers, Piccaro's gang, the Europa syndicate, Whitney and his associates, Londes as cult?, etc etc. (Why yes, I am a huge nerd)

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, it gets worse GI. If Seraph flips town, I will full claim to explain.

I just doubt I'll have to do that.

@GI: Why do you not suspect Seraphim.

@Jahudo: Actually, doesn't the first post flavor heavily imply the Red Dragon Clan is our scum? Not that it's necessarily CONFIRMED, just...yeah.

[Jahudo]

You mean the flavor to start the day? That scene is directly out of Ballad for Fallen Angels so I'm thinking later scenes will just be snippets of other sessions for flavor sake. We'll just have to see.

But this:

The Red Dragon Clan has made a move on the opposing White Fang Gang.

Is clearly talking about Vicious. I wouldn't think it would be that easy to lynch Vicious though.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm? That's odd to say, Jahudo. Why should it be difficult to lynch Vicious?

[GreyICE]

UK: Why the hell would someone claim

scum

in the thread? First Red Dragon Clan flip we get in that nice glowing red would end him.

[Jahudo]

I mean, its not as good to assume Vicious is scum and lynch Sera for that reason.

[UncertainKitten]

@GI: Well, again, I need SOMETHING Red Dragon related to figure out where I stand on things.

@Jahudo: Oh, understood. That's not why I want to lynch him, that's just something useful I'll get out of it on the off chance he flips town.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Jahudo

[GreyICE]

Unvote, vote: Jahudo

ANYONE WANNA EXPLAIN WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?!?

[ToastyToast]

So your rationale is that I might claim a fake guilty on day 2 to get a mislynch.
Or you're setting up WIFOM in case I investigate you.
Dee dee dee. I can make a bet...

No, I'm saying that if you did fake a guilty, we'd lynch you for it.

[UncertainKitten]

Not the slightest, GI. CES changed patterns.

[GreyICE]

I SWEAR I WILL PITCH A SHIT FIT IF WE LOSE TO SCUM CES HERE