Mini Normal 1133 - Mafia in Venice

[ICEninja]

What if they refuse to participate?

[mozamis]

bah

[Space Pope]

What if they refuse to participate?

Why don't you answer the question?

[ICEninja]

It won't stop me from claiming, but it will damage the integrity of the claim.

It wouldn't really be a concern except for the fact that Ythan expressed that there was "no town reason" to mass claim yesterday, and may have similar feelings today.

Red has already stated that he would probably support a mass claim for today, so we really only need to hear from Ythan before continuing.

[RedCoyote]

Yes, I support a mass claim. SP, keep your pants on. Didn't you already claim anyways?

[Space Pope]

It won't stop me from claiming, but it will damage the integrity of the claim.

It wouldn't really be a concern except for the fact that Ythan expressed that there was "no town reason" to mass claim yesterday, and may have similar feelings today.

Red has already stated that he would probably support a mass claim for today, so we really only need to hear from Ythan before continuing.

So, there is no reason to wait then? If Ythan says no then he would either no claim (and appear scummy for doing so) or do it because everyone else tells him too (then his claim is suspect). So either way, I see no reason why we should wait.

Yes, I support a mass claim. SP, keep your pants on. Didn't you already claim anyways?

Why wait when it is stagnating the game... Yes I did claim already, which is why I chose AGar to go next today.

[ICEninja]

Whatever. If Ythan refuses to claim then I will find that extremely suspect and vote him. AGar can claim when he wants to.

[AGar]

I'm waiting on Ythan - if he has legit reasoning against a MC, I'll hear him out.

[Space Pope]

^ ya so you can keep the game stagnating until Ythan comes up a profound and unheard of reasoning for not mass claiming...

[ICEninja]

Mod, maybe since it's holding up the game, we can toss a slightly premature prod to Ythan?

[Ythan]

I don't know of a reason not to MC if everyone thinks that town has something to gain that outweighs outing every town PR.

[AGar]

I don't know of a reason not to MC if everyone thinks that town has something to gain that outweighs outing every town PR.

Forces the scum remaining scum into claims they may or may not be comfortable with, and can provide inconsistencies with their play throughout the game.

Anyways, I'll continue.

I'm a VT.

Next goes to Necessary Evil

[Necessary Evil]

I'm a doctor. I protected ICEninja both nights.

Maemuki goes next.

[Exilon]

WHY would you protect ICe both nights? this doesn't make sense.

[Maemuki]

I agree with Exilon - if you thought ICE was town, I sure never saw anything that indicated as such in your posts. Hell, you only mentioned him twice. (At least, that's what I remember.) However, this is probrably not a gambit...because we already have 2 dead scum. Having 4 scum seems a little overkill. ICE won't be the next to claim, however.

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

RedCoyote, you're up.

[Necessary Evil]

WHY would you protect ICe both nights? this doesn't make sense.

It might not have been a great decision. Once there was no townie kill on the first night, it was clear to me that the scum probably wanted him dead so I protected him again. I didn't really know who else to protect. ICE was the most protown and the most productive. I definitely would not have protected either of the kills last night.

I agree with Exilon - if you thought ICE was town, I sure never saw anything that indicated as such in your posts. Hell, you only mentioned him twice. (At least, that's what I remember.) However, this is probrably not a gambit...because we already have 2 dead scum. Having 4 scum seems a little overkill. ICE won't be the next to claim, however.

I don't see what announcing a town read on him does for the town besides help my claim.

[RedCoyote]

VT.

Been a little busy with Spring Break stuff, but I'll probably post later tonight.

Whoever is next on the Mod's first post list can go.

[Ythan]

Analyze claims after all claims are through, please.

[Ythan]

And Coyote, grow some balls and pick someone. That looks bad.

[AGar]

WHY would you protect ICe both nights? this doesn't make sense.

It might not have been a great decision. Once there was no townie kill on the first night, it was clear to me that the scum probably wanted him dead so I protected him again. I didn't really know who else to protect. ICE was the most protown and the most productive. I definitely would not have protected either of the kills last night.

I agree with Exilon - if you thought ICE was town, I sure never saw anything that indicated as such in your posts. Hell, you only mentioned him twice. (At least, that's what I remember.) However, this is probrably not a gambit...because we already have 2 dead scum. Having 4 scum seems a little overkill. ICE won't be the next to claim, however.

I don't see what announcing a town read on him does for the town besides help my claim.

Hm. I'm with Mae. Inconsistent, but illogical to gambit.

Announcing him as a town read probably does nothing, but you never even really mentioned anything to lead one to believe ICE = town. Thus, inconsistency.

[Ythan]

It looks like Pope would be next by Coyote's criterion but I'd like to push for him to actually take a stand and pick someone. I'm not liking his methodology. Town wants their top unclaimed suspect to claim next. He looks like he doesn't want to tie himself to anything.

[ICEninja]

Analyze claims after all claims are through, please.

Agreed.

And Coyote, grow some balls and pick someone. That looks bad.

Agreed.

[RedCoyote]

I did pick someone; I picked whomever was next on the list.

I hadn't read over the last page or so, so I didn't want to pick someone to claim who had already claimed. Ythan, you're actually up because SP has already claimed here.

[Ythan]

The point is that you're weaseling out of taking a stand. If, however, you cannot be made to do so, then I will claim as is suggested by the criterion you substitute for a read. Vanilla townie.

[Ythan]

Does that leave Ex and Ice? I'll say Ex.