Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

[Tragedy]

I would most likely thing a PZ/Me mislynch would most likely happen, since we already established the easy fucking shit a long time ago, ish.
If that'd happen, I'm going to 'scum-hunt' Dram when I see him again. >_>..

But then again, 4/16 is scum -> 1/4 Chance to catch scum. Blargh.
But if we decreased Myself/PZ from list -> 4/14 -> 2/7 chance to catch scum. Mathematics aren't useful, right?...

[LlamaFluff]

If that'd happen, I'm going to 'scum-hunt' Dram when I see him again. >_>..

scumhunt him with me now?

[Tragedy]

I apologize, I seem to have missed Zito asking for my personal opinion on Reck.

I have played and/or modded with Reck multiple multiple times, and I believe he is town. While he always rage ingame, it feels genuine this time around (unlike games where he was scum like that roman thing modded by CES). From my perspective it's visibly different.

If he plays really differently in this game, would you consider it as a SCUM-PLAY?

Espeonage posts throughout the game have been less than stellar. If you look at his ISO he hasn't posted anything better than one liners since the end of february. His slot is being carried through and through by Purple Orange, which while the latter is kind of town, has been degrading in quality lately

Kise on the other hand, does not have anyone else to fall back on and I do not understand the fuss about him being scummy. I personally can get behind his position on Esp (well, the old one, since apparently he now thinks that Esp is town, THE HELL). In comes Llama with tunnelvision full steam ahead, which Kise does not fall into.
Kise is playing as town, not as a suck-up to his lover.

Well Dram, about ESPEONAGE. If his posts throughout the game have been 'Less than stellar', then why not question that shit-tard and pressure him? It's most likely reasonable to do so, but ONLY VOTING isn't the way to obviously scum-hunt, duh. (Don't ask me about this, I don't really follow my own terms, hehe.)

[Tragedy]

At first, I was going to do a PBP response to your case wall post, but I can't be half-assed to do that as I haven't slept in a while, so I'll address the points that stuck out to me.

@the quote about tragedy: I was referring to mafia as a general name for the scum. Specific reference would be stupid in this context, considering even in the most stupid of scenario I can't see Tragedy proposing a suicide when she's the last member of her team.

@voting for partners of reads: I think it's quite a stretch to say I was voting q21's partner (i think?) to muddle votecount analysis. I don't do VC analysis for one thing, and frankly I'm just voting the larger wagon in the pair.

@About Fail-Brage: So you were just vote-hopping?. . .
@About Meh-parts: If you're using "Mafia" as general name, do that in a game where there's only Mafia as the only target to kill, because there's Werewolves and Mafia in this game. (Not Mafia Lovers anymore, psh). Specific refeerence would make me understand.

Yes, I will propose a suicide at Post-Game.

[EmpTyger]

I really don't like Kise/LlamaF, but in the end I think I have to listen to my heart (ie my lover).

Vote: Espeonage

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Also, I'm very leery of those trying to argue that dramonic is the worse half of his loverpair.

[Espeonage]

humph

[Purple Orange]

Also, I'm very leery of those trying to argue that dramonic is the worse half of his loverpair.

Err...wereolf said nothing, and Xalxe has said less. There's really only one half of the pair to evaluate (though I did my damnedest to nail down wolf).

dram's participation is low and his vote record is iffy, but Reck says he always participates minimally, and that his level of participation here is actually MORE than should be expected. I'm happy to believe Reck here, and haven't held it against dram - I had him classed as null today, before the Mari-mafia discussion. And I don't think the Mari-mafia comment is a scumslip either, and people arguing it is are being silly.

But I also think dram lied

. I don't think he was using "mafia" to mean "scum." And while I can possibly see town trying to save face here...um...there's a reason the Lynch All Liars thing exists, and I'm trusting dram would be truthful as town. :/ Seriously -- read his posts, and try to tell me he was using mafia synonymously with scum there. HE WASN'T. He doesn't do it before, he doesn't do it after, and using "mafia" to mean "mafia-team" makes perfect sense in that one post of his, especially given the suicide comment.

I

use mafia and scum synonymously throughout the thread, and because I do that, I always refer to the mafia team as "mafia team" or "mafia-mafia" or "mafia-scum." It's the people who DON'T use them interchangeably, like dram, who don't modify the term. And I do NOT buy his, "it's still suicide if they're on the other team, because once one is found you can find the other through connections." I've read it a zillion times, and I think he is saying "mafia team" when he says "mafia."

Quite honestly, dram-scum is the read I can actually draw up the most solid evidence for, between what I think is werewolf scum meta, and what I'm reading as a lie on dram's part. Reck is holding me back here today, and I'm trying to believe my interpretation is wrong -- but I CANNOT drop this. If Kise flips town, PLEASE LOOK AT DRAM.

[xRECKONERx]

Kise & Llama both need to get off Ashblade, it's a waste of a vote.

Llamafluff is scummy as shit. He refuses to join the main wagons of the day and is basically hopping around from useless wagon to useless wagon. He needs to vote Kise or Espeonage.

That being said, Esp is at 6, Kise is at 5 right now. Xalxe, antihero, myself, Kise, and Llama are the only ones not voting one of the main two wagons, and it's nine to lynch. Unless someone flips from the Kise wagon onto the Espeonage wagon, that would mean me, Xalxe, Antihero, and LlamaFluff would ALL have to vote Kise in order to get his lynch. Meanwhile, Kise would undoubtedly vote Esp to save himself, which means only two of me/Xalxe/Antihero/Llamafluff would have to vote Espeonage. At this point, I just want a fucking lynch.

Vote: Espeonage

LET HIM FLIP THEN WE'LL TALK TOMORROW

[Hiraki]

I could make a case off of PO after what I skimmed in #1806.

Get on Espeonage you nubs.

[Antihero]

Also, I'm very leery of those trying to argue that dramonic is the worse half of his loverpair.

He's the only one that's posted. What are you leery of?

Kise and Llama's sudden push on ashblade (that has zero merit, btw) + the inexplicable 180 llama took on me/grey is too much for me.

VOTE: Kise

[Purple Orange]

I could make a case off of PO after what I skimmed in #1806.

LOL, I'm curious. You'll have to tell me postgame if you don't want to say stuff now.

[dramonic]

Also, I'm very leery of those trying to argue that dramonic is the worse half of his loverpair.

lover... pair?

[Tragedy]

Also, I'm very leery of those trying to argue that dramonic is the worse half of his loverpair.

He's the only one that's posted. What are you leery of?

Kise and Llama's sudden push on ashblade (that has zero merit, btw) + the inexplicable 180 llama took on me/grey is too much for me.

VOTE: Kise

Blargh, what is this shizzles.

[Antihero]

It's a vote for scum.

Sheep or make another good case.

[LlamaFluff]

Llamafluff is scummy as shit. He refuses to join the main wagons of the day and is basically hopping around from useless wagon to useless wagon. He needs to vote Kise or Espeonage.

Well im not voting my lover, and im not voting who I think is town. I am going to try and form a wagon on someone who I actually think is scum instead of self-preservation vote someone I think is town that would lead to my mislynch next.

So still, im not going to vote Esp/PO. If im wrong, im wrong, but im pretty sure im right.

[Yaw]

Sens has access issues again. At this point I think I want to modkill his ISP.

Vote Count:

Espeonage (7): Papa Zito, dramonic, Tragedy, Hiraki, Nero Cain, EmpTyger, xRECKONERx
Kise (6): Llamarble, Purple Orange, Ashblade, Espeonage, GreyICE, Antihero
Ashblade (2): Kise, LlamaFluff

Not Voting: Xalxe

9 to lynch

If access isn't restored by tomorrow, I'll look at prods then.

[xRECKONERx]

KISE. VOTE ESP.
ANYONE ON THE KISE WAGON IS ALSO WELCOME TO JOIN US.

[Kise]

i would if u dont ninja me like that....

unvote; vote: Espeonage

[Hiraki]

KISE. VOTE ESP.
ANYONE

WHO'S TOWN

IS ALSO WELCOME TO JOIN US.

FIXED IN BOLD

[Kise]

so a lot of u folks like ash and marble?

[Hiraki]

GreyICE/Antihero.

Do you think that me and Emp are scum?

[Espeonage]

[insert]AtE, Self-Pity, Contemplate voting self, Reiterate who I think is scum.[/insert]

So yeah I think Kise is scum and should be lynched. Most likely partner is Ash. You canz hammer now Fluff.

[Kise]

You never said why you voted me in the first/second place though. You're not helping here and i tried to help us both...... so NOW you think ash is scum? Im not switching votes again damn it. My reason 4 thinking u and purp are town is due to Ash's craptastic contradictions, which led me to sussing him

[Kise]

@hiraki: i can get on board with voting them. Grey was strange when it came to esp's wagon earlier this phase. Coulda been stalling esp's lynch intentionally. If ur asking me if i think ur scum: not at the moment. Hence why i said leave you, dram and trag alive to win the game. I feel like eliminating everyone else would kill the wolves 4 sure. Im basing this on liveliness of slots, since replacements that share their lover's opinions rather than

others'

makes me less suspect 4-person QTs.

[Espeonage]

I only think ash is scum because you think they are scum. The way you hit then they are either your buddies or they are scum anyway if you are town because it was a good case. PO presented my case on you. I've thought you were scum but couldn't work out why. I basically said this much in the QT and just said that you've done nothing to get you town points the whole game. PO took it furthur.