Metropolis: Revisited [Game Over]

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wait for the claim

[ThAdmiral]

@Kast: I knew I forgot to respond to something. I wouldn't be oppose to lynching ThAdmiral, but I would rather lynch KK before him.
I don't have a scum read on ThAdmiral, but nor do I have a town read. What would make me in for his lynch is him /striking Kagelord for the sake of competeing wagon.

This is wrong. I didn't strike for the competing wagon (although I think competing wagons are generally a good thing).
I struck because:
a) I didn't want today to end up like yesterday where everyone follows abr
b) I genuinely think Kagelord is scum, and furthermore felt there was enough support for his lynch to be pushed through

Why do you think he's least likely to be scum? Blatant self-preservation isn't a scumtell for you?

*Facepalm*
I've already addressed this. It was NOT for self preservation. If I was truly interested in self preservation I wouldn't have fucking put myself in the spotlight by striking someone. I would have let everyone follow abr like yesterday.

[ThAdmiral]

Wait for the claim

Is this directed to me?

[ThAdmiral]

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

[ThAdmiral]

@ camn: and why no strike on me if you gave strangercoug the "all clear"?

[Toogeloo]

I struck you ThAd for the paranoia of the competing wagon. Strikes against two different players very quickly escalates into This Player v. That Player in terms of who to kill at the end of the day. I saw the counter wagon strike as a way to possibly force the day between Kage and Kublai. Since we can't unstrike, if people felt there were only two wagons to choose from, they may be more inclined to follow those wagons.

I don't get scum vibes from Kage, I am null on Kublai. Your counter wagon sent up flags and I know that there were people who see you just as scummy, so I went for it.

[Nachomamma8]

Toogeloo

Here's the town of my list.
Although I still hate him.

*Facepalm*
I've already addressed this. It was NOT for self preservation. If I was truly interested in self preservation I wouldn't have fucking put myself in the spotlight by striking someone. I would have let everyone follow abr like yesterday.

See: Toogeloo

@ camn: and why no strike on me if you gave strangercoug the "all clear"?

She already struck.

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

Where's your brilliant case on Kagelord? OHWAIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LET ME QUOTE IT.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

shit. i quoted it a bunch of times and it still looks terrible.

[Albert B. Rampage]

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

I wanted to kill KK, you would have been better off following me.

Now claim ThAd, claim now or forever hold your peace.

[ReaperCharlie]

Metropolis:

Revisited

— The Phantom Pollbooth

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ThAdmiral [4] – Toogeloo, MagnaofIllusion, StrangerCoug, Nachomamma8

KageLord [3]

– ThAdmiral, Kublai Khan, curiouskarmadog

Kublai Khan [3]

– Albert B. Rampage, Baby Spice, camn

Hasn't struck a blow yet

– AlmasterGM, Bunnylover, Exe, Friend, Hrezs, KageLord, Kast, Kise, Lady Lambdadelta, Magua, Plum

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With 21 alive, it takes 13 strikes to kill, and 9 strikes to send someone to the hospital.

The deadline for Day 3 is April 14th, 7pm PST (10pm EST).

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[camn]

@ camn: and why no strike on me if you gave strangercoug the "all clear"?

^^someone inst paying attention!

[Toogeloo]

Delicious irony of the current strike votals is that each of Magna, SC, and Nacho have expressed distaste in me...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

I wanted to kill KK, you would have been better off following me.

Now claim ThAd, claim now or forever hold your peace.

What? So you're saying that because he didn't follow you, that makes him scum?

I'd like to know why you think ThAd is scum...

[Albert B. Rampage]

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

I wanted to kill KK, you would have been better off following me.

Now claim ThAd, claim now or forever hold your peace.

What? So you're saying that because he didn't follow you, that makes him scum?

I'd like to know why you think ThAd is scum...

This post doesn't make any sense.

[StrangerCoug]

Delicious irony of the current strike votals is that each of Magna, SC, and Nacho have expressed distaste in me...

So?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyways, ThAd is about to get buried under an avalanche of strikes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

I wanted to kill KK, you would have been better off following me.

Now claim ThAd, claim now or forever hold your peace.

What? So you're saying that because he didn't follow you, that makes him scum?

I'd like to know why you think ThAd is scum...

This post doesn't make any sense.

ThAd asked for your case on him.

You answered with the above quoted post.

I asked you if that was your case.

Is it?

If not, what is your case?

Essentially, answer Admiral's question.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I just quoted his post so he knew that I was talking to him. I have no intention of making a case on ThAd since I prefer KK for today. If you look back at my posts, however, I did mention this:

ThAdmiral for pushing for stalling the DGB hammer and supporting the doubleblock

Essentially, I'm fine with the town striking ThAd.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I just quoted his post so he knew that I was talking to him. I have no intention of making a case on ThAd since I prefer KK for today. If you look back at my posts, however, I did mention this:

ThAdmiral for pushing for stalling the DGB hammer and supporting the doubleblock

Essentially, I'm fine with the town striking ThAd.

That's fine. Thanks.

[Kublai Khan]

@KK/ABR-
Thanks for putting in that work.

Pff.. He just copy-pasta'd me.

Blood, kublai. That is my only desire.
To bathe in the blood of my enemies.

C'mon, camn. I know you're fracking terrible at this game and all, but you know what I'm asking. Do you have a case/reason for striking/wanting my blood/declaring me an enemy/etc?

CONFSCUM:
ThAD
Bunnylover
KK
Toogeloo
Hresz

My first post of tomorrow will be striking one of these five.

WTF? Why would you strike in your first post tomorrow? How does it make it any less scummy to announce such a stupid plan in advance?

And why am I on your scum-list? You questioned my motivations, I answered your questions, and now you're just holding on to a confirmation bias grudge.

[camn]

Look!
Everyone is saying I have to approach this game like I do any other game, so I said fuck it!
I voted you for the same reasons I ever put a vote down on anyone.... To see what happens.

Turns out you might be town!
Finding that out made it a vote well placed.

[Hrezs]

@Hrezs-
Do you mean that ThAd-scum is likely to be unlynchable whereas Kage-scum would be lynchable?

I meant that if we were try try and run up ThAd that it would be more dangerous as scum have more influence on whether or not it goes through. So more or less what you were saying. This doesn't apply now.

I don't believe for a minute that you couldn't find your role on the simulation, or that you were confused about how many they were. If you were given a role like that, you would check what it is in the wiki. There also wasn't multiple mixmasters in the simulation ever, were there?

I didn't check the simulation after getting my role. There was 1 mixmaster which is what I got confused with my role (hence why I thought I might be the only s.o.)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hrez who are you targeting tonight?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I believe your claim but I want you to target someone scummy...like KK.

[Plum]

Okay, proper reread, sorry for the delay and crud.

Look. The whole DGB thing yesterday was a mess. That's obvious. So everyone talks about finding scum on the wagon - super. But I haven't seen anyone make a persuasive argument about what sort of tells to look for given that DGB basically made herself into a liability who had to be lynched. There was lots of posting there that was of a quality that made it hard to tell scum opportunism or whatever you will from Townie behavior - and

even

resignation to the DGB lynch and striking with ambivalence about DGB's alignment being scum is not

itself

indicative of anything either way.

Given that, Baby Spice calling out KK may have some merit.

I don't like this. In a game where strikes are unrevokable, claiming early and strongly (DrippingGoofball put herself at L-12) is the only way for scum to put the brakes on their own lynch.

And DrippingGoofball knows full well that a vanilla town's sacred duty is to draw that NK so that the town power roles aren't harmed, not to passively push a self-lynch.

/strike: DrippingGoofball

Right, DGB is a player smart enough to know what to do in terms of VT - fine. What did you think made the self-strike behavior likelier to come from DGB-scum than DGB-town? I mean, it's not like it's the sacred duty of scum to passively push a self-lynch either, y'know.

Anyway, KK's response to Baby Spice isn't terribly encouraging - the sort of hostility it displays towards her before KK turns back to defending his previous actions feels off to me, at any rate - trying to discredit her opinions by calling the post akin to "Mastin VCA bullshit" is scummish attack-defend which didn't address Baby Spice's reasons for approaching the matter the way she did.

Dammit, Bunnylover is actually looking better than yesterday? Mmmmrf.

Yes, camn has been all over the place, Magua, but her changes of opinion feel natural - see this post of Camn's and how it fits in her ISO. The thought process behind working out how this game works in terms of alignment interactions and what that means for striking and killing seem fairly likely to come from a Town perspective.

Regarding ThAd - I actually think his theory bears some weight. That said I don't think that has any bearing on his alignment. At all. The fact that (barring shenanigans) he was right about Hresz being Town doesn't make me feel any better about it. Yes, your Friend case was

extremely

lulzy, especially because you managed to put together what was obviously supposed to look like a case, impressive as compared to the Hresz bandwagoning, then sort of left it hanging while you explained why you were against the Hresz lynch, and then when DGB started getting Strikes you were all 'Good to lynch her according to my THEORY. Bad because she's probably Town, lol. But it's happening anyway, so why bother saying anything more about her, or about my top suspect Friend, or about anyone voting or not voting DGB? I may as well let others do this because I'm to lazy to do anything like make use of the delay between the Rubicon crossing and the lynch by saying something of substance'.

Another note - the second target was supposed to come from the people who had abstained from the original wagon, but was instead decided upon by ABR, who was a proponent of the original wagon.

So do you think ABR is scum or what, in light of your theory and how it played out?

In other news: Is kagelord going to do anything other than nk speculation?

vote: kagelord

In other news . . . what happened to your uber-special Friend case you waved like a little flag but never really did much with? No, a few posts later trying to turn your apparent top two suspects into a game-wie dichotomy vote doesn't count. Nice try, though.

KK's vote for Kagelord isn't that encouraging - I

don't

think he was trolling for powerroles (the possibility that he was trying some analysis-for-Townpoints but managed to make it clear he wasn't thinking from a Townie perspective is worth worrying about, but it didn't seem much like rolefishing and pinning that vote on doesn't sit well with what we have).

ABR remains my top scumread. And since I realized that I haven't done this yet:

VOTE: ABR

Since when and why plz.

2) Hrezs

Working from recent to past … right off the bat, why is he randomly claiming Security Officer out of the blue? More importantly, why is he claiming Security Officer WHEN HE DIDN'T EVEN USE IT and thus has no valuable information? Hrezs isn't straight out of the newbie queue, and this move is too much of a fail to be town.

He's given himself away as a NK target without any benefit for the town.

It's especially hilarious seeing as he said, "I'd prefer not to claim" the day before. His prior post are not golden, either. The early ones are all IIoA (example: by the time we get to ISO #7, he's still talking about psudovotes). He then spends the rest of the day getting into this dumb argument with MoI that never goes anywhere … before throwing an unwarranted vote on DGB. This guy isn't town.

Had you been reading (Hresz had been asked to claim by quite a few people, and claiming before any strikes go down has its benefits)? Regarding the bolded, explain whether or not you believed at the time that Hresz was scum and if so why his behavior was indicative of scum-not-Town. Did you believe the claim (one-shot deal) and if not, do you now and why?

Okay, I'm going to shelve Kagelord for now. Too many people voting him for absolutely stupid reasons. Like the following:

Kagelord's night action speculation is hella-bad. There's so many reasons why we might not have a night kill, and trying to guess is just making noise. Big

FoS

on that one.

In a post which ended with a vote on Kagelord. Just doesn't read smart. Unsure though I am that Exe is necessarily the scum among the badness of the overall push on Kagelord (and unsure though I am that Kagelord isn't scum), Exe isn't the play for today at all and a Kagelord play would sit badly with me, too.

Kagelord, I loathe post-by-posts and I'm sure as hell not reading this right now. The things are too often used (or seem to be, anyway) by scum justifying their attacks and wagons and cases and crud.

I'm amazed and dismayed that anyone would listen to ThAd's call to pick a side between Friend and Kagelord.

Kast happens to be Town.

If you think that KageLord isn't powerrole-trolling, then you are saying that you think KageLord is so stupid that he forgot about the existence of pro-town power roles.

Yes. And it's reasonably likely that that's the case because he's coming from a scum mentality, but far from a certainty.

Yay everyone clever asking about IC wincon and the Mod smiling smugly (it's what he does best, man).

I don't believe it is a misrepresentation, let alone an extreme one. Look back on who people have said they are happy to lynch/scummy. You will find more people willing to lynch friend or kagelord than not.

You are evading the point. Some people have expressed suspicion of Kage and of Friend. There's LOTS of other candidates who are just as if not more suspected. You arbitrarily picked your own suspects and completely arbitrarily tried to force/persuade everyone to vote or strike one of your two suspects.

Instead of using your BS, arbitrary scheme for forcing a lynch between Kage or Friend; post a case for either or both of them and convince people to vote your suspect. As it is, you're pressing people to give you cases and ignore all other players; this gives your preferred lynch candidates more pressure and more focus while letting you appear to be active but keeping you "safe". It's scummy as hell.

THIS. <3

On the OTHER one!
They can totally pursue lynches on people that they know are scum for sure... without having to deal with night-drama.
Its like bussing, only way better.

So what is even scummy in this game?
Protecting your teammates? no gonna happen.
distancing? maybe
Pushing mislynches? minimized.

W T F?

True and insightful (and I didn't realize this, even though I found it odd that you didn't realize that the Inner Circle would have all information available shared - which is in fact the only reason to be wary of Hresz right now). But I

still

think hypo-claiming might have some value, and tomorrow I plan to make a post hashing out the pros and cons, and pushing heavily for it if it looks good. Going on the campaign trail and whatnot. I know this is far from Stars Aligned, but semi-open means that reconstructing Night Actions may be doable, valuable, and possibly critical. But maybe not. Tomorrow, then.

Plum, just quickly but of those six, you're the one that seemed to have a real reason, a real case. The others either didn't give anything or their reasons felt forced.
Hell you seemed to actually get into an arguement about/with DGB

Really? I honestly don't see that >.>. But regardless, fair enough (and very much fair enough in your argument with KK, so).

False dichotomy right there. But, on the other hand, if ThAdmiral is scum, KageLord and Friend are not buddies of his.

Or is a buddy he's willing to push because he suspects him of being Inner Circle.

Kill-block combo would have been nice, but we have what we have. Feh.

AGM slipping under the radar? We have a glut of players, so this happening isn't unexpected or tragic, but it is moderately frustrating.

camn, I will strike LLD right now if you join me.

Very special. Obviously the thing we need most right now is a fourth Strike wagon - but I'm sure that if you've given your thoughts on the other three and found them all horribly lacking we could talk things ove- oh wait. You haven't commented at all about ThAd or KK in the wake of the Strikefest. Kagelord was already a suspect of yours. And you turn to try to talk Camn into striking LLD. Yeah.

No

.

Anyway, Lambda is sincere enough that she's not a scum worry of mine at this point. By a long shot. Camn is Townish as well. AGM is scum scum scum scum.

Ew, I'd be in horribly scummy company on the Kagelord stuff, as I realized earlier in this post (statistically speaking I'll probably be in horribly scummy company whomever I vote, but I'm very much unconvinced that there's much sincere scumhunting going into the main force behind the Kagelord Strike wagon).

ThAd's definitely one of my potential targets, probably a bit above KK and both above Kagelord substantially. Apologies for screwing with the tables there (I

really

needed to catch up, it seems).

In fact.

Let's do this quickly and painfully. Like ripping off a bandaid.

Strike: ThAdmiral

Good night and good luck, all.

[Kise]

@Kise-
When you're back from V/LA, clarify if you prefer ThAd or Kage. You previously said you're up for striking ThAd, but more recently said you prefer Kage to KK. Do you prefer Kage to ThAd or ThAd to Kage?

Lol there's 9 scum left. Don't matter. I'll act as the hammer, I guess.