Newbie 1087: Welcome To The Jungle (Game Over)

ajolin · Post Post #400 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:32 pm

Voided, that's still a personal thing. It doesn't matter if he didn't learn English well, if you can understand him for the most part it's fine.

jindori · Post Post #401 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:33 pm

ajolin wrote:Ray, not to good. This recent fight distracted me a little bit, go over Toxic's and Jin's points. Honestly, Jin still seems a bit funny to me. The hammer setup seems a bit off, with his reasoning being flimsy considering he didn't say all of why he did it. If there's anybody that seems scummy but I'm not sure about right now it would be Voided. His vote is somewhat stable, but his accusations are everywhere.

You shared a view with me and did some good posting. That earns you an

unvote

.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #402 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:34 pm

Jin: Yeah.

Ajol: Today, I've only accused you or Jin. Just how is that "everywhere"?

Jin, again: What exactly of his posting made you change your mind?

jindori · Post Post #403 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:36 pm

@voided His view on you made me change my mind. I been thinking of similar things about you. I'm going to iso you latter and bring up some points..

toxictaipan · Post Post #404 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:59 pm

ajolin wrote:Toxic: Why should I. You're just one vote, and I already said why I did it. It was a gut reaction, as I said. I felt like there was enough evidence on him that I assumed people wouldn't mind if we had finally picked a lynch.

Why? Because you made a scummy move and I asked you to give me three good reasons why I should ignore that fact. At first I kind of agreed with RayFrost about it, but I've been thinking about it for a while and I'm not so sure. I also find it scummy that you're even the slightest bit reluctant to clear your name, regardless of the accusation against you. How suspicious would I be right now if I only defended myself one time saying, "It was only a joke"? I've had to do a lot more than that to prove myself. You don't get off quite so easy. I didn't.

I supposed it could have been a gut reaction, but hammer voting like that, without ever giving the lynched player a chance to role claim or post a defense is never good for the town. Given, this is a newbie game, but a player can't hide behind the "I didn't know any better" excuse forever. That's extremely too convenient for scum.

RayFrost · Post Post #405 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:49 pm

jindori wrote:
ajolin wrote:Ray, not to good. This recent fight distracted me a little bit, go over Toxic's and Jin's points. Honestly, Jin still seems a bit funny to me. The hammer setup seems a bit off, with his reasoning being flimsy considering he didn't say all of why he did it. If there's anybody that seems scummy but I'm not sure about right now it would be Voided. His vote is somewhat stable, but his accusations are everywhere.
You shared a view with me and did some good posting. That earns you an
unvote
.

Summary of this post and jindori's next post:

"You agree with me about something I have yet to say, so you aren't going to attack me, and you'll support me, so I'll be changing my focus to the person you say you have slight suspicion of in order to avoid seeming like my vote is just gong to easy targets."

Unvote, vote: jindori

I'm willing to give DX a bye for now, considering he's been busy.

RayFrost · Post Post #406 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:50 pm

Ohshit. L-1,

unvote

nthx

jindori · Post Post #407 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:22 pm

you can still question me.

RayFrost · Post Post #408 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:22 pm

You can still reply to my post.

Tasky · Post Post #409 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:32 pm

VOTECOUNT 2.8

jindori (2/4): toxictaipan, DeathRowKitty
toxictaipan (1/4): David Xanatos
Voidedmafia (1/4): ajolin

Not Voting (3): Voidedmafia, jindori, RayFrost

Deadline is 08.05.2011 at 11:00 CET.

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Due to eastern holidays I'm going to be a bit lenient about activity for this week end. However, I expect everyone to have posted until Monday evening/Tuesday morning.

jindori · Post Post #410 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:09 am

RayFrost wrote:You can still reply to my post.

lol i could but then what is the point to replying to a statement. It's your view on things.

RayFrost · Post Post #411 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:11 am

jindori wrote:
RayFrost wrote:You can still reply to my post.
lol i could but then what is the point to replying to a statement. It's your view on things.

"I can't actually come up with are buttal, so I'm going to say it's your opinion and hope people don't call me out on the lack of any form of defense"

Voidedmafia · Post Post #412 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:25 am

-_-.

You REALLY don't quite get how it works, do you? (Note this isn't meant to be a slight)

Even if it's just a statement, you're still supposed to try and prove how it's wrong, or admit that he's right, NOT just go "loluropinionz" and leave it. If you do that, you could very well leave cases piled up against you because they're "just your view on things" and then you're lynched before you can do anything (or at least put at L-1).

Also, not everything that you're going to need to reply to is going to be nicely marked with a question mark. I can't tell you what you're supposed to or not supposed to reply to, that's your job, but labelling both what I presented against you and what little Ray has presented against (btw, I mean quantity, ray, not quality) as "just our opinion" and not trying to do anything about it isn't going to do you much good.

NOw, start thinking of some defense, and get started on presenting it.

Ray: "A rebuttal", I guess?

jindori · Post Post #413 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:40 am

Get me more interested and i will.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #414 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:55 am

jindori wrote:Get me more interested and i will.

RayFrost wrote:"I can't actually come up with are buttal, so I'm going to say it's your opinion and hope people don't call me out on the lack of any form of defense"

Seriously, Jin. You aren't helping yourself.

Vote: Jindori

ajolin · Post Post #415 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:03 am

Unvote.

ajolin · Post Post #416 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:04 am

Oop,

UNVOTE

Voidedmafia · Post Post #417 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:05 am

Ajol, why are you unvoting me?

ajolin · Post Post #418 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:09 am

Rest assured, Jin still seems scummy, but so does Voided, and Voided putting somebody at l-1 is well... And either way I want to gather a bit more evidence, or lack thereof, on the two before we lynch anybody.

ajolin · Post Post #419 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:09 am

Wait, huh? Let me go back...

ajolin · Post Post #420 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:10 am

Huh, I thought I was voting for Jin... Oh well.

VOTE:Voidedmafia

Voidedmafia · Post Post #421 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:25 am

You find the fact that Jin isn't even trying to defend himself not scummy at all, or at the very least anti-town?

ajolin · Post Post #422 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:37 am

Not enough for an l-1. Not yet.

DeathRowKitty · Post Post #423 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:29 am

Okay, I was hesitant to post reads because I'm having trouble getting reads on certain players, but I'm just gonna throw these out there:

Scum

jindori
ajolin

leaning scum

VM

null

leaning town

DX
RayFrost

town

toxictaipan

I could potentially move VM up to null, but I'm going back and forth on him a bit too much and I'm hesitant to do so. I'm not really sure what to say about toxic besides "I haven't found him scummy this game," but if anyone wants a better explanation, I could try to explain that better. ajolin's had a few seemingly out-of-nowhere votes and I guess the rest is gut.

Something interesting I just noticed now though (now = since I've started writing this post) is this post from jindori. It was the whole "If TS is scum, lynch these people" post. Notice the two people he mentions to consider if Twisted is scum:

jindori wrote:Because the most likely to be scum from a town point of view would be ajolin or I, if twisted is scum.

It would make perfect sense for him to say this if I'm right about him and ajolin being scum, since he would know TS would flip town.

One thing I want to ask though:
@ajolin
What did you think would happen when you self-voted? Did you think you would instantly die? (and if so, why did you do it?)

DeathRowKitty · Post Post #424 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:32 am

Also, if it's ajolin+jindori, ajolin's most recent vote could easily be a chainsaw of jindori. (A chainsaw defense is defending a player by attacking that player's attacker. In this case, I could see ajolin's vote as potentially trying to save jindori by attacking the player that just put him at L-1.)