130.Mirror Mafia - Game Over

[Thor665]

Listen to this as well Thor.

1. I asked you to look at pappums, because of several actions that were questionable, at best.

2. Your last post

dismisses

my push on the rat, essentially boiling it down to because Magister is SCUM because of GUT, pappums is

TOWN

3. Calcifer, one post prior established that if we assume Gollum is town, based on a vig claim, we can then assume pappums is scum. (Others may or may not agree with this statement.)

4. You then say Calcifer is

TOWN

, even though he just pushed on the

EXACT SAME

person I did, for similar thought processes.

5. This shows your reads and pushes aren't

CONDITIONAL

on this game, but on a weak basis, as you use the SAME criteria to judge two different people

DIFFERENTLY.

6. The purpose of this inconsistency comes from...

scum

.

Bub, Pappums of Thor are now the best lynches.

Also, as long as I'm bothering to do cases - let's shoot this in the face for lulz;

1. Yeah, I agree this happened.

2. Actually...no, my dismissal of the papum's case had nothing to do with you being scummy, it had everything to do with you not actually showcasing him doing anything scummy.

3. Ah, so your pappum's case was predicated on Calcifer's case? Why didn't you just say so? (hint - methinks this is trying to sponge off town points to make himself look better)

4. Calcifer being town in my eyes has

literally

nothing to do with whether or not I agree with his pappum case.

5. If I had said you were scum for pushing pappum (which even you didn't say I did) and if I'd then also said Calcifer was scum for pushing pappum you might actually have been on to something here.

6. Yes, your case is like a finely honed steel trap, and I am helpless within it.

...this was actually a lot less of a case than I thought it was. Your other post basically calls me scum for not following up on a question I asked you to follow up on about a player you suspected and wanted my support on to lynch. (yeah, *that's* a scumtell. Oooh, and gut, apparently it's scummy to mention gut. I'll have to remember that.

I'm comfortable with my logic and vote, how are things between your ears?

[Tasky]

VOTECOUNT 1.14

Gollum (5/11): evilpacman18, Furcolow, Twistedspoon, Bub Bidderskins, Cecily
Bub Bidderskins (3/11): Magister Ludi, Gollum, Nocmen
farside22 (2/11): Calcifer, flinter
Magister Ludi (2/11): Thor665, Pine
Nocmen (2/11): farside22, Zdenek
Zdenek (1/11): pappums rat
Cecily (1/11): Caboose
Twistedspoon (1/11): Haylen
Ctorj49 (1/11): Acronach

Not Voting (3): Ctorj49, Bunnylover, Ion67

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

BASE TIME IS NOW OVER. I WILL TELL YOU 24 HOURS BEFORE DEADLINE HITS.

__

Still looking for an

Acronach

replacement. As soon as I'm back later today, I will PM some people.

[Zdenek]

I prefer Bub to Cecily because of the possibility that the Cecily wagon formed partly to protect Bub.

That's funny because I see it the other way around.

How come? The Cecily wagon formed after the Bub wagon.

Magister is a good alternative to Gollum. Thorscum? Please. He's (by far) the biggest town read in the game. I'd expect Zd and Caboose to flip as gambitting scum before Thor right now.

Why do you think that Thor is town?

I'm not interested in lynching either Thor or Magister Ludi today.

I think Calcifer's case on Cecily is reasoable.

[Thor665]

How come? The Cecily wagon formed after the Bub wagon.

Twistedspoon, Thor665, Nocmen, Pine, Furcolow
^^^
Who are the scum there opposing the lynch of their buddy Bub?

I think Calcifer's case on Cecily is reasoable.

...hate you.

[Zdenek]

Well, I think that Nocmen is scum.

And for the record, the part of the case that I think is reasonable is the part of it that is actually a case and is meant to be reasonable.

But poor Thor, now having to worry about his fate should Cecily flip scum.

[Ctorj49]

I agree with some of you that a day shot Vig claim is solid, especially on Day 1 and is no reason top lynch. Off the bat, I will
FOS: evilpacman18, Furcolow, Twistedspoon, Bub Bidderskins, Cecily as to leaving their vote on Gollum.

I'm not convinced on where my vote should go to next. I've leaned towards a Cecily lynch, but that doesn't seem to garnish any support at all.

[Haylen]

Why not FoS me, Ctorj? I'm voting for a claimed hider (iirc)

[Thor665]

@Zdenek Actually, I was just hating on you for liking Calc's case on Cecily and not Thor's case on Cecily (which Calc totally ripped off until he divebombed into meaningless paranoia.)

In any case, if you like "Calc's" case let's ignore the reasonable stuff and focus on this part;

"Wild Mass Guessing: Ludi, Thor, and Cecily are all scum, with Thor bussing both of 'em." So...what I'm hearing there is 'let's lynch Cecily or Ludi - and I'm totally down for that plan.

I might buy into a Bub/Noc buddyship, though I wish Noc had posted between the collapse of your wagon and the collapse of the Gollum wagon to make me feel more sure of it. He's got a couple soft chainsaws so the connection is possible, but I don't look at that Bub wagon and become overwhelmed by the townishness of it.

How about you sheep your buddy and vote Cecily, I'd be happy with that lynch and than Calc can get freaked about how I hopped off Ludi suddenly.

[Thor665]

Why not FoS me, Ctorj? I'm voting for a claimed hider (iirc)

Because as scummy as this gets is sidelining your vote - what's your issue with the big wagons and what's the advantage of the evilpacman wagon?

[Tasky]

DEADLINE WILL HIT 24 HOURS FROM THIS POST

.

[Pine]

DEADLINE WILL HIT 24 HOURS FROM THIS POST

.

Gollum or Magister Ludi lynches are good at this point.

Make up your damn minds, fence-sitters.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, we've got 24 hours. Calc, I don't think you'll be able to get all 41 of your remaining cases in before deadline hits. We need to pick a lynch right

now

. ATM my money's on Gollum. At best he's lying scum. At worst he's a stupid vig who wants to take out one of the most pro-town player slots in the game.

[Pine]

^^^This

[Thor665]

^^^Not this.

[Pine]

Thor, you're really, really shaking my townread on you. Almost to the point of wanting to apologize for my defense of you.

UNVOTE: Magister Ludi
VOTE: Gollum

[Gollum]

KISE:

Okay, we've got 24 hours. Calc, I don't think you'll be able to get all 41 of your remaining cases in before deadline hits. We need to pick a lynch right

now

. ATM my money's on Gollum. At best he's lying scum. At worst he's a stupid vig who wants to take out one of the most pro-town player slots in the game.

You're not pro town. I feel Cal is GF so he may not be killable. Dunno dont want to take the chance. I would target you, Pine or Acro's replacement. You still havent addressed your comment about CJMiller. It really depends on what happens at the end of today how I feel.

What I haven't figured out is how a wagon was started before Calc posted his case.

[flinter]

I agree with some of you that a day shot Vig claim is solid, especially on Day 1 and is no reason top lynch. Off the bat, I will
FOS: evilpacman18, Furcolow, Twistedspoon, Bub Bidderskins, Cecily as to leaving their vote on Gollum.

I'm not convinced on where my vote should go to next. I've leaned towards a Cecily lynch, but that doesn't seem to garnish any support at all.

Ctorj is town in my books for just this post. He says perfectly what I think: It's foolish to lynch a vig, and leaving your vote on him is scummy. I have less problems actually with people actively voting for him and arguing for his lynch (like bub), then people who simply lurk there. So with that in mind, if nobody is seeing farside-scum, how about a twistedspoon lynch?

[flinter]

I lost part of my previous post, addressing my feelings about farside: I don't think she is town, but this comes from little things. The defense of Zdenek's nocmen vote was odd, and many people saw that. I didn't like the motivation behind farside;s argument with calcifer about their bub townread. It isn't really clear cut, but something seems off with farside.

[farside22]

I lost part of my previous post, addressing my feelings about farside: I don't think she is town, but this comes from little things. The defense of Zdenek's nocmen vote was odd, and many people saw that. I didn't like the motivation behind farside;s argument with calcifer about their bub townread. It isn't really clear cut, but something seems off with farside.

I find Nocmen far scummier then Zd. Your point being?
I also have a scum read on bud which I have explain 10 times over and gets ignored.

Farside: From that post, are you saying that I'm scum because Bub didn't reply to my reply?

No I find it a note that if I saw Bud flip scum I would suspect you as his scum partner or vis versa.

As for number 2, I think I clearly stated I was voting Cec for active lurking. I'm really curious if to people are reading my posts at all, because with this and the quote exchange above in this post, it doesnt seem like everyone is.

I said you voted for Cec and didn't really push your case for it and sat on it.

3. I was okay with a zd lynch, in previous posts I had mentioned I didnt like his interactions with Bub. When deadline seemed to be looming, I had to compromise and go for a lower suspect.

You did? All I found was this:

I feel like zd put a bit too much in his post where he voted Bub, trying to create reasons when he just wanted to wagon.

Of the people who are actually productive, the top of my scum list are cecily and to an extent Furc, but as I mentioned, It's hard to tell with Furc having a meta like that. Below that I'd put Ion, and zd.

I agree with Thor, and I'm willing to support a zdenek lynch today too.

[Furcolow]

the case on TwistedSpoon looked pretty good to me
I view that as a nervous slip, and his posting has been scummy so far

vote: TwistedSpoon

Gollum is worth keeping around tbh

[Cecily]

Furc, we have less than 24 hours left of the day and you place a vote on someone who has neither a wagon nor a decent following? Why?

A gollum lynch seems like the way to go because even though there are many ways to tell if he's truthful or not tomorrow that means [most likely] mislynching today and on top of that having several more people killed overnight, potentially wrongly because I don't agree with most of gollums cases atm. This is the only wagon with enough speed to actually get a lynch in today.

And again at furc, if/when gollum flips scum you are easily next on the chopping block because of that last comment.

[Thor665]

Unvote: Magister Ludi
Vote: Cecily

I'll say it again, if Gollum is lying he's already dead scum if there's a Vig or scum with a giant target on him tomorrow if there isn't. Though I appreciate that there are players who are flapping around wearing tinfoil hats I really think town can do better with getting an actual lynch and we'll probably have the Gollum thing sorted out soon enough anyway. Besides, I'd super love to see a Cecily flip prior to really seeing the Gollum question dealt with.

[Pine]

GRRRAAAHH. Stop changing your damn votes.

You have a good point regarding the target on Gollum if there's a real vig out there, so...fine. Vig, do your thing.

But I swear to god, if Gollum survives and DOES flip scum, you'll lose every single town point you've got with me, Thor, and earn some scum points to replace them.

Cecily is an acceptable compromise lynch, she's just as scummy as she always was (see my first vote,) but hasn't really pinged it hard since my initial read-through. Has lurked and commented without much productivity, even worse on the latter than me.

[Pine]

EBWOP: (Reluctant) UNVOTE: Gollum
VOTE: Cecily

[Bunnylover]

Vote Cecily

A lynch on a claimed vig on Day 1 is idiotic. Basically I'm going to resay what Thor has already said. If Gollum is lying, then the real vig will kill him. If he isn't lying, then scum is going to kill him. If he survives, well then we will be playing WIFOM.