Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[BrianMcQueso]

@Porochaz You haven't played with Internet Stranger before, have you?

[Surye]

Declaring him the only acceptable lynch for the day

suggesting we run up someone else during the day

Whaa?

[Porochaz]

@Porochaz You haven't played with Internet Stranger before, have you?

Nope but from your post I can guess the type of poster he is.

[Zindaras]

There are so many scum on that Vezo wagon that its bordering ridiculousness. If nothing materializes on Surye or someone else on that wagon soon though, ill vote Vezo myself just to keep things moving and hopefully go after the other bandwagoners tomorrow.

I dislike this post. Besides the fact that you haven't really done much to get another wagon going, it's still over two weeks until the deadline. This hardly seems like the moment to discuss when you're going to pile on.

[Zindaras]

Can someone please tell me what ISO means? I have apparently not played here for too long.

[SensFan]

It's short for Isolation. It means using the 'Display posts by user:' function to see just that person's posts.

[Zindaras]

Now that's just silly. It's not even an acronym and yet it gets to be in all caps.

[Zindaras]

There are so many scum on that Vezo wagon that its bordering ridiculousness. If nothing materializes on Surye or someone else on that wagon soon though, ill vote Vezo myself just to keep things moving and hopefully go after the other bandwagoners tomorrow.

Who on the wagon are scum? Who aren't? Why?

[Internet Stranger]

The most obvious one is clearly Surye. His arguments are invalid and he is now stuck having to continue to press on Vezo when the initial easy lynch stalled. Its amazing how its being kickstarted again. He is calling for cops already on Day 1. But the opportunistic early bandwagoning is the easiest tell of all.

Since when do I need to answer to you anyways? Start listening to what im saying, look at the people on the Vezo wagon, put some big boy underwear on and start checking people out for yourself.Dont look to me to make a case for you Zindaras. Do you need me to hold your hand? If you do, then shut up and vote Surye.

[Zindaras]

The most obvious one is clearly Surye. His arguments are invalid and he is now stuck having to continue to press on Vezo when the initial easy lynch stalled. Its amazing how its being kickstarted again. He is calling for cops already on Day 1. But the opportunistic early bandwagoning is the easiest tell of all.

Since when do I need to answer to you anyways? Start listening to what im saying, look at the people on the Vezo wagon, put some big boy underwear on and start checking people out for yourself.Dont look to me to make a case for you Zindaras. Do you need me to hold your hand? If you do, then shut up and vote Surye.

Hate to break this one to you, but I was the first one who even voted Surye today. And I've been quite vocal about him too, so I don't really know where you're coming from here. Are you not reading the thread? I'm not asking you to make my case. I'm asking you to back up your statement that there's tons of scum on the wagon. If you say that, I expect you to name names. Plural. Not one. Who are the other scum on the wagon?

[Surye]

The most obvious one is clearly Surye. His arguments are invalid

Funny, in ISO, you never mention how my arguments are invalid.

[Internet Stranger]

So youre asking me to suddenly make declaration on all the scum on day 1? Should I consult my crystal ball, tarot cards or fuzzywuzzy, my favorite stuffed bunny?

[Internet Stranger]

So Surye says that I need to have already made my case (or at least breadcrumbed it) before someone bitches at me about making a case on Surye so I state my case? I will get on the Delorean right away and redo some old posts.

You people are simply incredible.

[DeathNote]

I would love to see something from Bamboo. I know he is not eligible for a prod yet but I still am looking forward to his next post.

[Surye]

So Surye says that I need to have already made my case (or at least breadcrumbed it) before someone bitches at me about making a case on Surye so I state my case? I will get on the Delorean right away and redo some old posts.

You people are simply incredible.

Your first game post was a clearly non-RVS vote against me. That was two days ago. And you've made many posts since. Why is it incredible for me to expect some substance in that?

[Porochaz]

mod can we get a replacement for Furcolow?

[MrBuddyLee]

@Surye

, you haven't indicated suspicion of anyone besides Vez today. Who else do you find scummy? Two or more names, with accompanying reasons, will suffice.

Hypothesis: Vez is lynched today and comes up vanilla town.

@Surye

, if that happens, which two players will you find the most suspect based on the way they've played Day One?

[Yosarian2]

@Porochaz You haven't played with Internet Stranger before, have you?

Nope but from your post I can guess the type of poster he is.

IS is basically the guy who invented the archtype of the hyper-agressive bloodthirsty lynch pusher who makes short, to the point posts. Both Fritzler and Baby Jesus's playstyle was heavily influenced on IS's. He's also very effective, for either side.

IS feels townish to me so far this game, but that's based on a meta of him that's about 6 years out of date at this point.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am not disagreeing with IS about Surye. I mean, this is one of the worse plans I have ever read in my entire time on this site:

So given my thoughts above, what does someone think of this plan (thought of it while driving home, may need some help):

• Forget Vez wagon as ultimately useless for D1.
  
• Cop investigates Vez night 1. The nice thing about this is if we only have an alignment cop, that is all we need.
  
• If Vez is clean, we can backburner him, and not worry about addressing issues of action tampering, since we have no real claims yet.
  
• If Vez comes up dirty, we have D2 lynch, save risking a power role, and give slight incentive to kill Vez N1 as it would prevent a mislynch D2. In this case we'd need to then begin protecting the cop.

But...Surye....he's always like this. Always has an incredibly scummy plan, even when he's town. You have to catch him later in the game with his connections to scum.

[Surye]

I am not disagreeing with IS about Surye. I mean, this is one of the worse plans I have ever read in my entire time on this site:

So given my thoughts above, what does someone think of this plan (thought of it while driving home, may need some help):

• Forget Vez wagon as ultimately useless for D1.
  
• Cop investigates Vez night 1. The nice thing about this is if we only have an alignment cop, that is all we need.
  
• If Vez is clean, we can backburner him, and not worry about addressing issues of action tampering, since we have no real claims yet.
  
• If Vez comes up dirty, we have D2 lynch, save risking a power role, and give slight incentive to kill Vez N1 as it would prevent a mislynch D2. In this case we'd need to then begin protecting the cop.

But...Surye....he's always like this. Always has an incredibly scummy plan, even when he's town. You have to catch him later in the game with his connections to scum.

Arn't you glad I came back to MS?

But honestly, if it's that bad of a plan, okay. I won't AVOID posting ideas and content for fear of being wrong and therefore SCUM. Maybe I am full of nonsense, but it was trying to get the ball rolling on the Vez rut that we were in. But because of the points listed before the plan, I don't feel the Vez situation can be ignored.

IS, believeing what you do about me, what is your position on Vez? Null tell? Slight town? Slight Scum? Convinced either way? Should be ignored today, the topic dropped till something strikes it back up? I'm curious because I get a scum lean on him, and I was trying to find what the next move is. I already have my vote on him after all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Surye, tell me why your plan is bad. Give me like 5 reasons why it's bad.

[Surye]

Surye, tell me why your plan is bad. Give me like 5 reasons why it's bad.

Now that it's been several days, and I've been given feedback, most importantly is any power role reveal this early in a 25 man is terrible. I was oversimplifying it that he could just then be protected. Second, false claim/counter claiming could put us in a worse position than today since it would not be proceeded by any information. I don't see the inherent issue in investigating Vez, as most seem to feel VT claim is nullish, but I suppose that could be a waste.

I was and am honestly trying to contribute to the scumhunting, and I felt we needed a new direction. My direction was bad, yea, but not in anti-town intent.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1. Directing the cop is a fail strategy
2. Waste to investigate someone scum knows and can kill the same night
3. Waste to investigate someone who has already claimed
4. Waste to investigate a VI (you know he is a vi right?)
5. Waste to claim cop on Day 2

[Furcolow]

I'm here. I have some catching up to do.

[Zindaras]

So youre asking me to suddenly make declaration on all the scum on day 1? Should I consult my crystal ball, tarot cards or fuzzywuzzy, my favorite stuffed bunny?

There are so many scum on that Vezo wagon that its bordering ridiculousness

. If nothing materializes on Surye or someone else on that wagon soon though, ill vote Vezo myself just to keep things moving and hopefully go after the other bandwagoners tomorrow.

You can hardly fault me for thinking you have multiple targets based on that. But, my apologies. I'll make sure to disregard any and all future statements from you since I should clearly not actually listen to them.

And, yes, that was sarcasm. You can be as aggressive as you like as far as I'm concerned, but if you make statements like that, you should at least back them up.