Cold War Mafia - GAME OVER!!

[PeregrineV]

Got the rest of tonight and all day tomorrow. Is there no better lynch than smargaret?

[bvoigt]

Some of notes.
1)

enigma

didn't seem particularly scummy-- until his last "give up" post. When someone is about to die and all of a sudden has tons of 'obvreads' to share, that's a sign they were holding back. Which to me smells like scum. I'll lynch him if we need, but not right now.
2) I'm still not sold on the 12v12 mechanic. It would be nice if it is, but surely the mod considered massclaims would happen at some point so we shouldn't throw away reads b/c we think we have the setup figured out.
3) Among the american side, the scummiest are enigma and

ThAd

. I fear I have been blinded by flattery. All his "voting bloc" posts don't serve much purpose other than to solidify a group of friends. Also enigma, in his 'whoa is me' post, named ThAd as scum, seemingly out of nowhere. This looks like it could be last-minute distancing, and both could be US-aligned scum.
4) Among the soviet side,

pere

stands out the most. He's been heavy-handed (overly so) with his 12v12 theory, as well as the importance of determining the exact number of scum left. If there's a US hiding among the soviets, I think pere is the most likely and that he's trying shape the debate on his terms. Look back at how quickly the nationality debate has dominated discussion. Clearly some people have things to gain by focusing on this.

What happened to smarg?

[The Fonz]

Got the rest of tonight and all day tomorrow. Is there no better lynch than smargaret?

No. Smarg is optimal.

[Sotty7]

17th vote count of day 5

PeregrineV - 2 -

smargaret, Lowell

Enigma - 3 -

Furcolow, Sathoris, Beasts of the Sea

Beasts of the sea - 1 -

PeregrineV

smargaret - 4 -

ThAdmiral, The Fonz, bvoigt, Enigma

Not voting - 0 -

No one

• With
  10
  players alive, it takes
  6
  to lynch
  
• Deadline for the end of day five is Wednesday 11th May @ 8am CST

[Lowell]

unvote, vote smarg

sort of fell off my radar as fonz and bvoigt pointed out... which in a way suggests he gained a lot from all the inane setup-talk. count me in.

[smargaret]

I've said what I have to say. I don't know who's lying about their nationality; honestly, it's clear someone is and it doesn't really matter who. If you need to lynch me, then you need to lynch me - I'm basically vanilla at this point and Feysal's flip does make me look bad. I'm most confident in my reads on Peregrine, EGL, and Fonz.

Lowell, I'm a she, and I'm the one arguing against the setup shit. Remember?

[ThAdmiral]

The question is more like, do we lynch Beasts today, and if he is town, I'll shut up and be the lynch tomorrow. Wouldn't that be groovy?
No more me and my craaaaaaazzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyy ideas.

No way are we lynching the guy who is clearly trying in this game, who is posting this game when hardly anyone else seems to be bothered, when there are much MUCH better options out there.

From context ThAdmiral, I assume you are talking about me in this quote... but what happened in the next five hours that ejected me from the so called voting block? That seems like a pretty drastic (and unwarranted) turn around.

Woah, reading comprehension fail by me.

Now

I realise what you were asking here. The answer is: no, I was referring to peregrine. I.e. he was the one who was "clearly trying in this game" etc.

[The Fonz]

I've said what I have to say. I don't know who's lying about their nationality; honestly, it's clear someone is and it doesn't really matter who.

It doesn't matter who's lying? Jesus Christ.

Let the record show that you have done basically no scumhunting today.

[Sathoris]

@Sathoris- Can you provide your thoughts on the final breakdown of scum remaining and list where you believe each player to be?

1

Beasts of the Sea

- We know there are european nationalities in this game, I doubt the british are the sole representative. I believe he's french, but that doesn't absolve him from being USA scum. If a vietnamese was in the Soviet scum team than a british or french guy can certainly be so aswell.

US Scum

4

Enigma

- We've got six confirmed dead US townies. With a probably 4 extra as scum that leaves 1 US townie left and as I think that belongs to ThAd I'm gonna say

US Scum

6

PeregrineV

- Posted his voting tables but the promises analysis hasn't been delivered. Claimed soviet, which is suspicious in it's own.

Soviet scum

8

ThAdmiral

- Appeared town in my eyes since his first claim.

US townie

10

Furcolow

- Lying all throughout the whole game. Now he's claiming doctor again. I don't buy it. I'm with the Fonz on this one. Lynch the liars.

Soviet scum

11

Lowell

- Soviet claim again isn't telling us a lot but since there is only one contender for a soviet scum and he's been playing town in my eyes he's lowest on that list, so

Soviet townie

13

smargaret

- Depending on the nationality of the last Soviet scum this could be an interesting lynch. If the last soviet scum flipped a nationality different than soviet. (i.e. Vietnamese or Chinese) Then we can assume the US scum have two US players and two of different nationalities aswell. Smarg and BotS then stand out. But the whole neighbour thing makes me uncertain whether she would be US scum.

West German Townie

18

bvoigt

- I don't think he's soviet and I don't think he's Soviet scum either.

US Scum

22

The Fonz

- He's on the right track

Polish townie

I have two Soviet scum even though there only is one spot left. (If any, but I think so) My heart tells me it's furcolow because he's been lying all the time and my brain says PeregrineV.

@Sathoris- Here, almost all your reads are setup based. It's supposed to be one tool. Can you supply any supporting evidence (links would be best, but even summaries of why helps)

in addition

to the setup answer.
Furcolow is the only one you mentioned because of his playstyle.

You asked to give us reads with the remaining slots for mafia. By power of deduction I can't name 3 people Soviet Scum. If I think one person is more likely to fill that slot I'm not going to waste my time naming someone else scum aswell when I clearly think someone else already has that role.

True enough I did base the remaining scum of off nationality claims, but what other tools do I have to judge a player besides their playing style. I didn't blindly trust every nationality claim, only the ones I believed to be true. which coincedentally matched their playing style. You see I can only judge players from this game. I don't know if Jmj and mothrax always play the way they do or if it's because of their role. I do know Fonz is playing like I saw him play somewhere else where he was town. So I can only go off of that.

Besides I'm not going to make a case on every person one day short of the deadline when the upcoming lynch might change some stuff. I promise I'll back up me reads with some posts which I think back up my reads, if I live through the night.

[PeregrineV]

I've said what I have to say. I don't know who's lying about their nationality; honestly, it's clear someone is and it doesn't really matter who. If you need to lynch me, then you need to lynch me - I'm basically vanilla at this point and Feysal's flip does make me look bad. I'm most confident in my reads on Peregrine, EGL, and Fonz.

Lowell, I'm a she, and I'm the one arguing against the setup shit. Remember?

Crap argument that may have been fine in the first day of 24 players, but is not now. Now we need people to look, think, read, re-read, guess, unguess, etc.
You could be costing us the game with your unhelpfulness.

If it is 6 vs 3 vs 1, and they don't cross kill, it becomes 4 vs 3 vs 1.
You could help, but no, you either can't be bothered or your on their side.

The Fonz is right, who is lying does matter.

EGL has been out of the game for weeks now, Enigma replaced him.

So only to avoid the no-lynch (because if you're not going to help today, why should you help tomorrow) and even though I think smargaret is town,

Unvote.
Vote: smargaret

Even though Beasts is US mafia, and I

REALLY

wish we would lynch him today.

[PeregrineV]

@Sathoris- we are kind of looking for 1 or no soviet scum and 2 or 3 us scum.
But, good try.

[Sathoris]

@Sathoris- we are kind of looking for 1 or no soviet scum and 2 or 3 us scum.
But, good try.

That's what my list gives you. I don't see your problem with me basing some of my reads on the availability of scum roles.

[Furcolow]

Fonz when you talked with PeregrineV about actually researching Kadar in relation to nationality it made me relate to you on a personal level, because I have investigated who is likely to be scum in relation to who we have had flip.

That is also a reason for my voting of Enigma.

[PeregrineV]

@Sathoris- we are kind of looking for 1 or no soviet scum and 2 or 3 us scum.
But, good try.

That's what my list gives you. I don't see your problem with me basing some of my reads on the availability of scum roles.

Then you probably meant US here?

You asked to give us reads with the remaining slots for mafia. By power of deduction I can't name 3 people Soviet Scum.

@Furcolow- So you think Lyndon B. Johnson was decided to be US mafia by the mod?
No other reason in the whole entire game at all whatsoever to vote Enigma? Just cause he's LBJ?

[Sathoris]

@Sathoris- we are kind of looking for 1 or no soviet scum and 2 or 3 us scum.
But, good try.

That's what my list gives you. I don't see your problem with me basing some of my reads on the availability of scum roles.

No, I was being slightly sarcastic. What I meant was that there was only 1, if any slot, slot left for Soviet Scum. I found three people suspicious. Obviously not all can be soviet scum so I went with my top two and gave the other a free pass because he wasn't as high as the other two.

Then you probably meant US here?

You asked to give us reads with the remaining slots for mafia. By power of deduction I can't name 3 people Soviet Scum.

And even so I can name three people US scum, which I did

I can't see what you're on about. My posts with my reads was simple enough.

[Sathoris]

Fonz when you talked with PeregrineV about actually researching Kadar in relation to nationality it made me relate to you on a personal level, because I have investigated who is likely to be scum in relation to who we have had flip.

That is also a reason for my voting of Enigma.

I don't like this one bit. What are you trying to accomplish here?

[Sathoris]

Fail qouting in my first post, first paragraph should refer to second quote.

[ThAdmiral]

Fonz when you talked with PeregrineV about actually researching Kadar in relation to nationality it made me relate to you on a personal level, because I have investigated who is likely to be scum in relation to who we have had flip.

That is also a reason for my voting of Enigma.

Cool story bro.

Can you vote smarg now?

[Sotty7]

Final vote count of day 5

PeregrineV - 1 -

smargaret

Enigma - 3 -

Furcolow, Sathoris, Beasts of the Sea

smargaret - 6 -

ThAdmiral, The Fonz, bvoigt, Enigma, Lowell, PeregrineV

Not voting - 0 -

No one

• A lynch has been reached
  
• Mod scene up coming...

[Sotty7]

Yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, that's pretty much how this day went. You talked all morning and all afternoon and just as the sun sets you were

still

talking. Finally you realized that you actually had enough votes to lynch someone and took your chance. Poor

Smargaret

was dispatched with relative ease but the good news ended there. In her pocket was a small peace symbol. Bad move.

• Smargaret
  was lynched on day five. She was
  Willy Brandt - West-German Neighbour
  
  
• Deadline for the end of night five is Friday May 13th @ 10pm CST
  
• If I don't receive an action by then, it will be forfeit.

[Sotty7]

Morning comes and you all rush into the common room only to be confronted by two dead bodies. First up is

Beasts of the Sea

who you find slumped in a chair with a horrible swollen face and blood oozing out of his eyes. It's okay though, no need to be sad. He was Charles De Gaulle a French US Mafia Goon! Good riddance!

The second corpse tells a less than happy tale.

Furcolow

is laid face down in a pool of his own blood, a gun shot wound to the back of his head. A quick search of his pockets reveals a peace symbol. He was one of you.

= = = = = =

• Beasts of the Sea
  was poisoned over night. He was
  Charles De Gaulle - French US Mafia Goon
  
  
• Furcolow
  was assassinated over night. He was
  Heydar Aliyev - Soviet Townie
  
  
• Deadlines in this game are being changed from three weeks to two.
  
• The deadline for the end of day six is Friday 27th May @ 9pm CST
  
• With
  7
  alive it takes
  4
  to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Son-of-a-bitch. I was wrong about the setup, but was right about beasts. So we now have 2 us scum and 1 soviet left.

But our town vig gets a shot tonight!

Please discuss and discuss some more before placing any careless votes.

[PeregrineV]

15 bunnylover Che Guevara - Cuban Roleblocker.
3 RedCoyote John Glenn, US Odd-Night Vigilante.
20 LlamaFluff John F Kennedy, US Townie
23 hohum Harold Wilson, British Townie
16 Amrun Joseph McCarthy - US Blacklister
2 Debonair Danny DiPietro Edward R Murrow - US Townie

9 VP Baltar Ho Chi Minh - Vietnamese Soviet Mafia Goon
21 nachomma8 Josep Broz Tito - Yugoslavian Townie
17 gonnano Janos Kadar - Soviet Mafia Goon
12 XScorpion Leonid Brezhnev, Soviet Townie
5 Feysal Erich Honecker - Soviet Neighbour

14 Scott Brosius J Edgar Hoover - US Mafia Jailkeeper

7 LynchMePls Nikita Kruschev - Sovier Watcher
19 Stephoscope Andrei Gromyko - Soviet Mafia Rolecop
Furcolow

smargaret- west german neighbor
Beasts - US French Mafia Goon

Full player/nationality claim list:

Americans:

ThAdmiral
Enigma

Soviets:

Bvoigt
Lowell
PeregrineV

Other Communist:

Myself - Polish
Sathoris - Albanian

Just can't let this go. 2 US scum and 1 Soviet scum.

@Enigma- You are US, and between ThAd and yourself, I'm leaning towards you being US scum.

@Lowell- I think you are lying about being Soviet, and are the other U.S. scum

@Sathoris- I think you are the last Soviet scum.

@The Fonz, ThAd, bvoigt- I have you guys as town.

Does this sound right to anyone? Wrong for any reason? I can and will go into more details, but want to hear from people first.

[ThAdmiral]

@ peregrine: Currently I have

Me
peregrine
fonz
lowell

as the town, which leaves

enigma
bvoigt
sathoris

as the scum.

And yes that is in order from most town to most scum and there is not much separating enigma and lowell.

We should wait for everyone to do this before voting.

[Sathoris]

Surprised to see furc flip town. He's been claiming doc, but he clearly wasn't. Seems a bit strange to claim a power role when you're just a townie. But that means one of my suspects for soviet scum is dead so it only leaves one: PV. (Seen those vote analysis somewhere yet?)

Also he's been going after BotS more or less on his own last dayphase and gave up when nobody followed him. If he's the last Soviet Scum he'll be attempting to kill off the US scum first so not to lose when the town are dead. I think he went after BotS during the night when he though Beasts was scum during the day.

Soviet scum: PV
Us Scum: Enigma and Bvoigt or Lowell.
Town: Thad, Fonz

US shouldn't be scared to claim their own nationality as they have been underrepresented anyway. Which makes me think at least one of the claimed US is town. Which is ThAd in my eyes. The other US scum might not have the US nationality as Beasts didn't have either. Though Beats had De Gualle, which is safe enough. But what if the other US scum has a european nationality aswell, but not as peaceful as De Gaulle. Too dangerous to pick a country out of the Soviet Union because there's only going to be one of those anyway and you could be counterclaimed. A Soviet claim is safe because you can hide inanonymity.

I think we should nameclaim sooner rather than later. There is are at least two scum in the claimed Soviets.