Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[Zdenek]

Can't I just already tell you I'm town therefore we don't spend 5 pages determining if I am town or scum?

Okay.

Unvote

Implosion's early play has been bad. He showed up to make a pointless non-scumhunting vote and justified it by saying he's hoping to figure out who is the other head of the Soben hydra. To me this reads like a completely pointless exercise and is obvious coasting through RVS.

Crymeariver's dismissal of the early game is bad, and seems like an excuse to avoid commenting on things, but I also think that his scum-slip could have come from town or scum. Chesskid, what made you think that he is town?

On that note, I think that WrathChild is scummy for not commenting on the scumslip. He posted soon after it was pointed out, and it seems to me like it would have been a natural thing to comment on.

inHim, why the town read on Beefster?

CAN WE PLEASE DO THIS DRAM-MINI STYLE??

What does this mean?

I don't object to people posting town-reads in general, but I don't understand why Soben is bothering to post town reads that are so weak that even though they have a town read on IceyC, they aren't willing to back it up by voting him as he's asked.

Pine reads as scum to me. His early posts are a mess. He calls for the vigging of IceyC, and says that he is the only suspicious person in the game, but he doesn't follow it though with a vote. Then asks for Gandalf to be vigged, and as soon as Gandalf takes issue with it, Pine takes the trouble to retract the vig request. He also didn't vote Gandalf. These sorts of interactions makes me think that he was pretending that the vig request was serious, but was never actually suspicious of these people.

Toying with jumping on the CMAR wagon, but my gut says something's just off about the whole thing.

Do you think CMAR scumslipped?

Only if Icey is something other than Town, which you already stated you think they are. So, which is it? Compliance commensurate with your earlier confidence, or fabricated reads?

PE: Ninja'd slightly, though InHim made an observation instead of an analysis.

Here he is making sure that he get's credit for his posting.

the "No one on my wagon is solidly Town" bit was a red flag.

I feel that this attack on SCR is bad because I don't think that not having strong town reads at this point in the game is a red flag.

LMP is playing aggressively early, which is something that I remember him doing as town.

Vote Pine

[IceyCupcake]

SEE GI CHESSKID IS :GOODPOSTING:

DRAM-MINI STYLE REFERS TO WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN DRAM MINI GAMES.
AKA, QUICKLYNCHING SCUM EVERYDAY.

COME NOW CHESS YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT HAVING BEEN A PART OF ONE OF THOSE SAID GAMES.

[IceyCupcake]

That said I probably should go read the thread to see what I missed overnight.

Then again, that can come later.

[IceyCupcake]

OH FUCK THAT WAS ZDENIK THAT JUST POSTED.

Damn southpark avatars...

Zdenik is town.

[Pine]

Zdenek is not reading the thread.
1) I very, very clearly explained why I didn't want to vote for Icey.
2) I misunderstood Gandalf, and once it was explained, retracted it for that reason.
3) I don't know whether CMAR slipped. That could go either way. If it was a slip, it was well-recovered because I can't tell. That's why I was waffling on joining the wagon. If I were scum, I wouldn't have TOLD you that I was uncertain and waffling.
4) The posts were bare minutes apart, following only a few minutes behind the relevant post by Soben. We actually had the same reaction at the same time, and mine goes into greater analysis, which explains the longer writing time.
5) Look at it again. SCR mentioned a couple "slightly Town" reads at best and a whole lot of scum reads on his wagon. It was blatant, self-serving OMGUS.

Pay attention. All of these things were already-stated and/or obvious.

[SGRaaize]

I presented two scum reads on my Wagon and 1 town read on my wagon, Of all the null-tells, I said most of them had both reasons to be town and mafia, hence them being called "null".
Calling it Self-Serving OMGUS is completely ridiculous, at best, you can call it Self-Serving in the sense that instead of trying to look for Mafia, I am basically just defending myself. Which I guess is kind of true, considering half of that BW read was me saying how bullshitty it is for me to have so many votes and how none of the votes have any decent reasoning behind them.

It looks to me as if you still haven't truly read my BW read as you promised, and are still basing it on the diagonal read you said you gave it some posts ago.

[Pine]

I'm still at work, SGR.

[SGRaaize]

If you still haven't read through my BW read, why did you make a statement with such a blatant mistake?

[Pine]

Fairly Positive Town: NO ONE.
Leaning Town: WC
Null: Katy, Mana_Ku, Gandalf, DryFit.
Leaning Scum: InhimshallIbe
Fairly Positive Scum: LynchMePlz

I read it through. I just haven't had time to do an analysis

independent of yours

. And looking back, I did make an error in recollection. Shame on me for going from memory and not looking it up. It's less lopsided than I had thought. Doesn't change the fact that it casts your critics as scummy and does as little as possible to provoke anyone else.

[SGRaaize]

I'm not sure I am understanding you. You analyze a read on my BW and you are surprised when I don't mention anything in that read aside from... You know... The people that were in that BW?

[inHimshallibe]

Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.

[WrathChild]

Can't I just already tell you I'm town therefore we don't spend 5 pages determining if I am town or scum?

Okay.

Unvote

Implosion's early play has been bad. He showed up to make a pointless non-scumhunting vote and justified it by saying he's hoping to figure out who is the other head of the Soben hydra. To me this reads like a completely pointless exercise and is obvious coasting through RVS.

Crymeariver's dismissal of the early game is bad, and seems like an excuse to avoid commenting on things, but I also think that his scum-slip could have come from town or scum. Chesskid, what made you think that he is town?

On that note, I think that WrathChild is scummy for not commenting on the scumslip. He posted soon after it was pointed out, and it seems to me like it would have been a natural thing to comment on.

Care to explain which scumslip you're referring to?

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: Pine

CHOO FUCKING CHOOOOOOOOOO

[SGRaaize]

And I haven't casted my critics as scummy, from my perspective, I have two of them as scummy, one of them because of my previous reads on him regardless of my BW (LynchMePlz) and one of them because he gave no justification whatsoever on his BW on me (InhimshallIbe). I then have one of them as townie because of my previous reads on him (WC).
I then mention on how I can see both Katy, Mana_Ku and DryFit as Town or Scum (I even explained the possibilities) and although I don't say it directly, the involvement from Gandalf and ChessKid3 in my BW has been almost null and has started in the RVS period, and has been unvoted or not yet justified since that RVS stage, which is why I give the null-tell.

How is this loopsided?

Unvote

Vote: Pine

If you want to vote me, just vote me, your arguments are making no sense whatsoever, and you are clearly misinformed, I am suspecting you are just looking for anything at this point to justify yourself, because you already know this day is gonna end with me dead anyways.

[SGRaaize]

By the way, I know it sounds scummy now because my post is right below Chesskid3 changing his vote, but I only saw it on the Pedit.

[chesskid3]

It's ok

and Mana is town

get that
through
your
fucking
head

[gandalf5166]

Please can we stop using CAPS LOCK it's irritating. If it continues I will start voting for the CL propergstors.

You have two other posts, and this is all you can find to say?

[gandalf5166]

PINE IS OBV MISLYNCH BAIT

[Beefster]

Why so defensive? You're just over halfway toward being lynched.

Because I am over-defensive as Town and there's nothing I hate more than being lynched.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

More meta.

This post looks genuinely townie to me. A scum response would have been more subtle.

Unvote

Responses noted. No further questions.

VOTE: Bunnylover

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VOTE: Icey

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VOTE: Amrun

This is a fun way to FoS

[chesskid3]

no
SGR was the obv mislynch bait
PINE IS THE SCUM

[gandalf5166]

no
SGR was the obv mislynch bait
PINE IS THE SCUM

NO THEYRE BOTH TOWN

IM TELLING YOU

THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE JUST IGNORING THE LMP/INHIM SLOTS FOR THEM TO BE TOWN

[chesskid3]

INHIM IS TOWN

[Soben]

I don't object to people posting town-reads in general, but I don't understand why Soben is bothering to post town reads that are so weak that even though they have a town read on IceyC, they aren't willing to back it up by voting him as he's asked.

My town-reads are far from weak, I just fail to see the massive benefits in voting Icey before voting elsewhere, it seems like an uneeded risk. Going to give this thread another read through on my way to uni. Currently leaning towards SGR being town, and Chesskid is right Inhim is town, I'd bet my

life

hydra partners life on it.

[chesskid3]

is chesskid town too?

[IceyCupcake]

So Soben keeps calling us town, yet steadfastly refuses to treat us as such.

does not compute