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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 4:47 am

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Flameaxe wrote:
Kairyuu wrote:But stacking stam is FUN.

Doing it on Jazzert (who is now a bear) regardless, because I like having my health pool shoot up almost 3k from 59-60.

Plus, I can't even FIND gear with dodge on it at this level.


But everyone's health pool shoots up at 60...


Mine shot up by 3k. Matt's went up by under 1k.

Also, to be fair, I had surprisingly low health for a tank prior to the jump (just BARELY over 4k when most tanks were at around 5k). Once I stuck those 3 24-stam gems into my gear and picked up a few BC greens and blues at 60 it got up to about 7k, which is much more reasonable for early BC tanking.
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 4:48 am

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I'd also like to add that most of your gear has dodge on it. It's called agility, stack that. :D
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 4:50 am

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New plan.

Get kitty heirloom weapon.
Enchant with lots of agility.
Equip.
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I think I brokeded recount. I'm not sure though. But I think I did.
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 7:33 am

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17th best geared Horde Mut Rogue on server now!

I can see my name without having to scroll down! Woot!
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Nobody cares :P
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 1:01 am

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I'm off Monday/Tuesday this week. We should totally do stuff as a guild and stuff.

Like raids and shit mannnn.

And farming shit mannnn.

And... yeahhhh mannnnn.
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 1:42 pm

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Joined a group
Downed a boss
Got some loot
Guildie of other people joined
I got kicked


BUT I still got the drop from first boss AKA Symbiotic Worm, woot!
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 2:27 pm

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@AGar: I can almost definitely make it Monday, but Tuesday is my little sister's high school graduation, so I'll be busy until rather late. MIGHT be on when I'm released from whatever the family is planning to do afterwards.

@tans: Sounds nice. I'd say that this is why you don't join guild runs, but you got phat lootz, so it doesn't matter.
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 4:10 pm

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I might be re-subbing sooner than I thought. Doing alright money-wise and a friend is really harassing me to play with her (on Skullcrusher, so I may not be on my DK too often).

Not 100% sure if I actually will or not yet, but just figured I'd mention that I'm very tempted to re-sub.
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 4:13 pm

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HAPPY SCUMDAY AGAR!
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 4:15 pm

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I am also off monday and tuesday. (Yeah, I started work today :( No more shitloads of free time.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 6:23 pm

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InflatablePie wrote:I might be re-subbing sooner than I thought. Doing alright money-wise and a friend is really harassing me to play with her (on Skullcrusher, so I may not be on my DK too often).

Not 100% sure if I actually will or not yet, but just figured I'd mention that I'm very tempted to re-sub.


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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:03 pm

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Seems like Reck is back (finally).

In other news, I've opened talks with another small guild about them merging into our guild in exchange for some officer powers and such (because I'm apparently PR now, *cough*). Once we hear back from them as to whether or not they're all interested, I'll lay out the exact proposal, and we can vote on it as a guild.

Current things we're considering offering/they've requested if they decide to go for it:
1. Officer status to all of their officers.
2. Insertion of one of their members as head raid leader, moving BBM and me to a subordinate position.
3. They have a web domain and a programmer working on getting it up and running, and would like to use it. This particular one we're iffy on, as we know that several people have an interest in the site we already have, and would want to be involved, regardless of what domain the site is under.


To be perfectly honest, I expect them to demand more than we'd be willing to give them, (as in, I believe they'll try to pretty much take over the guild) but if this works out we may have initial stages of a working raid group ready as soon as a few days from now.
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:20 pm

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I'm fine with Officers... and if their head raid leader is actually as good as they say, then I have no problem with him taking over the raid slot. One of you two can move up to co-raid leader or something. As far as the site goes, we have the domain name through tans, and I'm pretty sure we have some webspace too. But I don't wanna take away the site from someone who actually wants to work on it.

From our talks with their GM, I expect that he'll be okay with it, but his members will be hesitant and demand some stuff. I don't wanna go through with this if EVERYONE isn't 100% okay with it.

(And yes, I'm back. Boredom finally got the best of me tonight.)
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:28 pm

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Kairyuu wrote:Seems like Reck is back (finally).

In other news, I've opened talks with another small guild about them merging into our guild in exchange for some officer powers and such (because I'm apparently PR now, *cough*). Once we hear back from them as to whether or not they're all interested, I'll lay out the exact proposal, and we can vote on it as a guild.

Current things we're considering offering/they've requested if they decide to go for it:
1. Officer status to all of their officers.
2. Insertion of one of their members as head raid leader, moving BBM and me to a subordinate position.
3. They have a web domain and a programmer working on getting it up and running, and would like to use it. This particular one we're iffy on, as we know that several people have an interest in the site we already have, and would want to be involved, regardless of what domain the site is under.


To be perfectly honest, I expect them to demand more than we'd be willing to give them, (as in, I believe they'll try to pretty much take over the guild) but if this works out we may have initial stages of a working raid group ready as soon as a few days from now.


as official whiner and policy nazi, allow me to review these terms and conditions

officer status to all of their officers seems like it clashes completely and utterly with the philosophy of a democratic process we seemed to agree on; if this plan has changed due to everything falling apart, i think that this is a bad thing to do until we have some solid guild structure

what are their goals as a guild? they seem focused on raiding - i don't want to start some massive rift between the new blood and the old guard on how much we're raiding, etc.

if they have their own domain and whatnot, doesn't that require either a name change on our part (which i'm strongly against, if they want to merge into us, they need to be accepting of our terms and conditions; i have a lot of negotiation experience if you need someone to strong-arm them onto favorable positions for us) and/or a lot of confusion over the domain and whatnot?

i'm very, very wary of this, we need to hear exact terms and conditions from them and then counter; make sure they give us an entire list of what they want before we start offering them things, we need to get in a position where we're making them tailor their demands to us instead of us tailoring to them
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:31 pm

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@JD: Kai was confused - they don't have a domain name, we do.

They seem to be mostly focused on raiding, yes, but the talk of arena teams came up, and I'm sure we could nab people for heroics too.

In order for this merge to go successfully, we would have to give them some kind of say in the guild. If that meant me stepping down from Officer in order to give a council position to one of their people, I'd do it.

Of course I'm not sold on this either. We'll need to wait and hear back with what they say, first, which is what I said to the other GM and Kairyuu tonight.
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:37 pm

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xRECKONERx wrote:@JD: Kai was confused - they don't have a domain name, we do.

They seem to be mostly focused on raiding, yes, but the talk of arena teams came up, and I'm sure we could nab people for heroics too.

In order for this merge to go successfully, we would have to give them some kind of say in the guild. If that meant me stepping down from Officer in order to give a council position to one of their people, I'd do it.

Of course I'm not sold on this either. We'll need to wait and hear back with what they say, first, which is what I said to the other GM and Kairyuu tonight.


yeah, yeah

i just want to make sure that the terms and conditions of this merge are favorable to us instead of them
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 11:51 pm

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I'm half and half on this.

I don't like the idea of giving all of their officers officer status. Some is fine, but (especially when we have no clear "direction" for some of ours it feels like) all of them feels like now we get pushed out of the mix/you'll have two opposing factions vying for control [maybe we should rename the guild to "Tol Barad - Guild Edition"] of the guild.

I do like getting a pickup on raiding sooner, but at the same time, I don't want to basically see us get shoved around because they're more focused on raiding (it seems) than we have been able to been.

I definitely want to see what else they have/want but right now I'm leaning against it slightly.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:15 am

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Also, how does everyone stand for Tuesday vs. Monday? I forgot I'm supposed to go drinking with my buddy Monday, but that can be pushed to a later date if more people are gonna be around Monday.
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:28 am

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AGar wrote:I'm half and half on this.

I don't like the idea of giving all of their officers officer status. Some is fine, but (especially when we have no clear "direction" for some of ours it feels like) all of them feels like now we get pushed out of the mix/you'll have two opposing factions vying for control [maybe we should rename the guild to "Tol Barad - Guild Edition"] of the guild.

I do like getting a pickup on raiding sooner, but at the same time, I don't want to basically see us get shoved around because they're more focused on raiding (it seems) than we have been able to been.

I definitely want to see what else they have/want but right now I'm leaning against it slightly.


would everyone somewhat on-the-fence-leaning-against agree that the main issue we have in this merger is that we don't actually have enough organization on our own side to support bringing in a bunch of new people?

i'd also like to take this time looking at the original post to note how much i hate the wording of this:

2. Insertion of one of their members as head raid leader, moving BBM and me to a subordinate position.


did they specifically say subordinate position? i have a massive problem with allowing anyone that demands that our current members be subordinate to theirs in most every actual position that they could have

i'm rather heavily in the "their terms are awful" camp right now
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:35 am

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AGar wrote:I'm half and half on this.

I don't like the idea of giving all of their officers officer status. Some is fine, but (especially when we have no clear "direction" for some of ours it feels like) all of them feels like now we get pushed out of the mix/you'll have two opposing factions vying for control [maybe we should rename the guild to "Tol Barad - Guild Edition"] of the guild.

I do like getting a pickup on raiding sooner, but at the same time, I don't want to basically see us get shoved around because they're more focused on raiding (it seems) than we have been able to been.

I definitely want to see what else they have/want but right now I'm leaning against it slightly.


would everyone somewhat on-the-fence-leaning-against agree that the main issue we have in this merger is that we don't actually have enough organization on our own side to support bringing in a bunch of new people?


(I speak for myself here)

Actually, yeah. Pretty much that. Part of it is, I think, with Reck out for the past monthish, I myself haven't really put much into doing "productive" stuff for the guild, and I'm not sure everyone else has either - because I wasn't sure what was up with the guild altogether. I haven't been spamming my recruit macro, I haven't been "PR-ing" (I think that's my council position). I've been logging on, running stuff and just trying to get geared atm. I'd like to see us get a bit more organized first before we take on something like this, personally. It is something that we could theoretically do in a few days, outside of the website, and get our heads on straighter.
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 1:34 am

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Triple post, bear with me.

Where do we actually stand on our 85s who would be not far off from raiding? Not saying tomorrow, but a few runs of heroics (with good drops, obv) and some crafted items and should be in good shape? This also might affect our decisions. (Tans/BBM - who would your mains be?)
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 3:38 am

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My main doesn't matter, because my work schedule won't be raid friendly as it is.

Edit: Also, their terms seem fairly shitty. With our luck, their officers will all be 12 year olds who can't raid worth shit. As the plan is right now, I don't actually see us benefiting anything out of it at all.

Edit edit: Did they say how many officers they have? I'd rather not jump into this to find out that their entire guild is at an officer rank.

Edit edit edit: Whats the guild name? Might as well armory that shit.
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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 4:48 am

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Yeah, the guild name might help.

BBM - the main thing was more for just us. Mine isn't either, I feel ya 100%, it was just curiosity on what kind of comp we "have" lol.
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