Beefster wrote:Aw crap. I think I was skimming a bit to much. LMP isn't all that inconsistent.
LOL!
LMP wrote:If I type slower and in capital letters will it make it easier to understand!? I WAS CATCHING UP TO THE GAME. I VOTED WHERE I WANTED TO WHEN I WANTED TO WITH NO REGARDS TO STARTING A NEW WAGON OR JOINING AN EXISTING WAGON.
Beefster wrote:Really. If you think I'm scummy, just vote me.
I also don't see why you're voting for Pine.
Pine wrote:PE: Icey probably isn't a Wizard with a bunch of powers. They're probably either a weakly-powered, high HP goon supporting the Wizards.
Zdenek wrote:SCRazzie wrote:
2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.
Trying to keep the game in RVS.
WraithChild wrote:
Seriously, SGR is right. Not enough joking here.
UNVOTE x13, VOTE: Pine
Why so Serious?
Agreeing the with the person who wants to keep the game in RVS is worse.
Bunnylover wrote:Can't I just already tell you I'm town therefore we don't spend 5 pages determining if I am town or scum?
Seriously though. I do believe everyone should vote Icey and unvote her to someone else. Unless your scum. Don't vote her if your scum.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:At first I thought I was scum because of all the different ways of killing people I had, but then I saw that my role name was in blue, and I read the flavor, and it became clearer. However, it makes me worry because now I think that everyone pretty much has a damaging ability...if so then we could coordinate night lynches, which would benefit us sorcerer-aligned players.
implosion wrote:VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.
ABR, why would you advocate what is essentially a form of massclaiming in a game where we have been specifically told by the moderator that massclaiming will be harmful?
IceyCupcake wrote:Not sure what to think of SGR.Remember the same thing happening in Gorrad's mafia, will look at this later.
implosion wrote:VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.
implosion wrote:Because I'm trying to figure out its heads and I want to be more certain, and eliciting a reaction to a vote will help with that.
CryMeARiver wrote:Quiero la sangre de Mana.
Pine wrote:CryMeARiver wrote:Quiero la sangre de Mana.
Translation for those who don't speak Spanish: "I want/desire the blood of Mana."
Not a fan of posting in another language, even a throwaway line like this.
Toying with jumping on the CMAR wagon, but my gut says something's just off about the whole thing.
Soben wrote:Post #126 by Katy - So SGR is "pretty obv. scum." but you don't vote him? Explain.
inHimshallibe wrote:Soben wrote:
inHimshalibe wrote: Well, Beef's town imo.
Mind explaining the town-read on Beff, not seeing it myself.
Straight-up answering ABR's question. Unless they're both scum, but I doubt it.
Soben wrote:The OP implies multiple third party roles in the setup, Iceys win condition could simply be to recieve x amount of votes during the game thus although I don't see him as scum I have no reason to vote him.
Pine wrote:UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: Soben
Too many inconsistencies.
Amrun wrote:I think ABR's proposition should have received more attention than it has. Is protection really an issue against the whole town's attacks? I don't know how protection would function in this game, and I did not play and have not read its predecessors, so perhaps someone who has should weigh in.
Mana_Ku wrote:CMAR
If you've put me in the category of players voting SGR for prolonging the RVS, you can read my reason again and put me out of it. Other than that, don't use the 'too scummy to be scum'-fallacy. It's a fallacy for a reason.
Pine wrote:My read of SGRaaize remains wholly ambivalent. I can see both Town and scum motivations for what he's done so far, none of them strong. If I had to commit, I'd lean a little to the Town side based on the wagon speed.
WrathChild wrote:I appreciate your defense and efforts, but would appreciate it even more if you scumhunted instead of calling the person with the best points against you, scum. I actually feel like LMP is one of the most town players so far. If you want me to move my vote off you, convince me there's a better place for it.
inHimshallibe wrote:Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.
IceyCupcake wrote:So Soben keeps calling us town, yet steadfastly refuses to treat us as such.
does not compute
Pine wrote:Will address the SGR clusterfuck later, just got home.
Soben wrote:Pine wrote:More votes on Soben, please.
What in particular about my refusal to vote IceyCupcake do you find scummy? What scum-motivation is there behind directly disobeying someone openely claiming a request for votes?
Pine wrote:Oh FFS. And if the goal of gathering votes is to set off a massive spell that kills everyone else? What then?
Pine wrote:IceyCupcake wrote:Page One, FYI. Size of most important bit enlarged.
Jester-like means it depends on being voted. This is really not hard to understand.
Baby Spice wrote:SGR:
Wine arguements, self-meta arguements.
I got no idea what to make of him yet.
I'l have a "desperate townie", please
Soben wrote:We also read through LMP together, and I can understand where he's coming from, LMP's argument with SGR shows no attempt at revealing his allignment, rather just "proving that he's correct". In majority of his posts he refrains from stating if he believes SGR's thought process is scum-motivated or just a bad town-play, a primary example of this is where he asks SGR why he's lying in ISO #16 by LMP rather than stating if he believes SGR's lie is a scum-tell or not.
Interesting perspective, but you're reaching, IMO. LMP is scum, but not because of that.
Mana_Ku wrote:P-edit: Says the one who took my vote as a joke?
Mana_Ku, do you still believe I wasn't joking and was even slightly serious in those posts where I supposedly accused Chesskid3?
I'd like an answer, I just want to know where I'm standing here.
This is not a scumslip
Pine wrote:I intend to self-vote and push my lynch when I finish. I have nothing to lose, and Town has everything to gain from this tactic.
I just noticed you never self-voted.
See... I can't help but feel you're still Mafia, I say this because people are apparently taking you off the radar because you are way too desperate to be Mafia. That's bullshit, if anything, he's way too desperate to be Town.
I felt what it was like to be under pressure and desperate, heck, I think I was under more fire than Pine. I reacted in a way Town would, I defended myself and I tried very hard for everyone to unvote me.
Pine threatened to self-vote, in a sense, AtE'd and made sure everyone didn't want to vote him by doing everything exceptdefending himself.
I know we both might be town and just have different ways to react to pressure, but honestly, I can't believe everyone is just ignoring Pine now because he threatened to self-vote.
If my BW gets bigger, I'l self-vote and stop defending myself, it will surely work.
/rant
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Unvote, vote SGRaaize
Pine is being dramatic like town sometimes is, plus he had no reason to say he had weak abilities, so I'm willing to let him go. SGRaaize does not inspire anything in me, so to him will go my vote.
Yeah, this is what I meant, fucking bullshit.
CryMeARiver wrote:On the ABR question topic (the relevant thing):
I personally don't think coordinating our damage is necessary. Besides completely ridiculous people, everyone that is town with damaging spells would use it on players they find scummy. No matter if that player is scum it will either a) Damage/Kill scum b) Damage/Kill 3rd Party or c) Damage/Kill town that is ripe for a mislynch (like SGR).
However, if we were to make a list of the top 3 people to damage that night to coordinate it, I'd propose we also do it for investigating abilities (not protection because that'd let mafia know who we're protecting).
I agree with this, except for my name in it.
Katy wrote:Amrun wrote:Katy: AtE is Appeal to Emotion, for future reference.
Thanks. I guess I don't see that as a reliable scumtell. I have seen townies appeal to emotion numerous times.
My Policy is to lynch everyone that AtE's me when I'm clear in LYLO or something like that.
Honestly, nothing turns off my scumdar more than AtE.
Soben wrote:Icey, non Regfan head here. Although both Regfan and I don't believe you to be scum, we have the town's best interest in mind.
Town loses nothing whatsoever by voting and unvoting Icey, and it might win something.
Pine wrote:SGR, I have not self-voted, and the overwhelming negative response received to the suggestion is convincing me not to.
I'm sure you thought we were gonna react to it positively.
Bullshit
LynchMePls wrote:
Pine
Feysal
implosion
Albert B. Rampage
IceyCupcake
Amrun
CryMeARiver
BabySpice
Zdenek
Dry-fit
chesskid3
Mana_Ku
PeregrineV
Katy
Bunnylover
SnakePlissken
WrathChild
inHimshallibe
gandalf5166
Riceballtail
Beefster
SGRaaize
SCUM
How much of this is based on points you have bought against me and I have defended myself from?
LynchMePls wrote:Mana_Ku wrote:Wrath wasn't the flipfloppinh cheerleader SGR was, so why vote Wrath over SGR?
And it's not that hard looking at which other player was keeping his RVS vote, while seeing a different player as scummy. It's your reason for thinking players are scummy. I have different ones. If I can see it, without thinking it's scummy, you should be able to find it as well.
As extra, your accusation against RBT is terribad. Learn to read sarcasm.
Wrath did it first, and I was reading up on the thread. SGR got my vote once it became obvious he deserved it more.
Pine wrote:PE: Icey probably isn't a Wizard with a bunch of powers. They're probably either a weakly-powered, high HP goon supporting the Wizards.
Zdenek wrote:SCRazzie wrote:
2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.
Trying to keep the game in RVS.
WraithChild wrote:
Seriously, SGR is right. Not enough joking here.
UNVOTE x13, VOTE: Pine
Why so Serious?
Agreeing the with the person who wants to keep the game in RVS is worse.
Bunnylover wrote:Can't I just already tell you I'm town therefore we don't spend 5 pages determining if I am town or scum?
Seriously though. I do believe everyone should vote Icey and unvote her to someone else. Unless your scum. Don't vote her if your scum.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:At first I thought I was scum because of all the different ways of killing people I had, but then I saw that my role name was in blue, and I read the flavor, and it became clearer. However, it makes me worry because now I think that everyone pretty much has a damaging ability...if so then we could coordinate night lynches, which would benefit us sorcerer-aligned players.
implosion wrote:VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.
ABR, why would you advocate what is essentially a form of massclaiming in a game where we have been specifically told by the moderator that massclaiming will be harmful?
IceyCupcake wrote:Not sure what to think of SGR.Remember the same thing happening in Gorrad's mafia, will look at this later.
implosion wrote:VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.
implosion wrote:Because I'm trying to figure out its heads and I want to be more certain, and eliciting a reaction to a vote will help with that.
CryMeARiver wrote:Quiero la sangre de Mana.
Pine wrote:CryMeARiver wrote:Quiero la sangre de Mana.
Translation for those who don't speak Spanish: "I want/desire the blood of Mana."
Not a fan of posting in another language, even a throwaway line like this.
Toying with jumping on the CMAR wagon, but my gut says something's just off about the whole thing.
Soben wrote:Post #126 by Katy - So SGR is "pretty obv. scum." but you don't vote him? Explain.
inHimshallibe wrote:Soben wrote:
inHimshalibe wrote: Well, Beef's town imo.
Mind explaining the town-read on Beff, not seeing it myself.
Straight-up answering ABR's question. Unless they're both scum, but I doubt it.
Soben wrote:The OP implies multiple third party roles in the setup, Iceys win condition could simply be to recieve x amount of votes during the game thus although I don't see him as scum I have no reason to vote him.
Pine wrote:UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: Soben
Too many inconsistencies.
Amrun wrote:I think ABR's proposition should have received more attention than it has. Is protection really an issue against the whole town's attacks? I don't know how protection would function in this game, and I did not play and have not read its predecessors, so perhaps someone who has should weigh in.
Mana_Ku wrote:CMAR
If you've put me in the category of players voting SGR for prolonging the RVS, you can read my reason again and put me out of it. Other than that, don't use the 'too scummy to be scum'-fallacy. It's a fallacy for a reason.
Pine wrote:My read of SGRaaize remains wholly ambivalent. I can see both Town and scum motivations for what he's done so far, none of them strong. If I had to commit, I'd lean a little to the Town side based on the wagon speed.
WrathChild wrote:I appreciate your defense and efforts, but would appreciate it even more if you scumhunted instead of calling the person with the best points against you, scum. I actually feel like LMP is one of the most town players so far. If you want me to move my vote off you, convince me there's a better place for it.
inHimshallibe wrote:Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.
IceyCupcake wrote:So Soben keeps calling us town, yet steadfastly refuses to treat us as such.
does not compute
Pine wrote:Will address the SGR clusterfuck later, just got home.
Soben wrote:Pine wrote:More votes on Soben, please.
What in particular about my refusal to vote IceyCupcake do you find scummy? What scum-motivation is there behind directly disobeying someone openely claiming a request for votes?
Pine wrote:Oh FFS. And if the goal of gathering votes is to set off a massive spell that kills everyone else? What then?
Pine wrote:IceyCupcake wrote:Page One, FYI. Size of most important bit enlarged.
Baby Spice wrote:SGR:
Wine arguements, self-meta arguements.
I got no idea what to make of him yet.
Soben wrote:We also read through LMP together, and I can understand where he's coming from, LMP's argument with SGR shows no attempt at revealing his allignment, rather just "proving that he's correct". In majority of his posts he refrains from stating if he believes SGR's thought process is scum-motivated or just a bad town-play, a primary example of this is where he asks SGR why he's lying in ISO #16 by LMP rather than stating if he believes SGR's lie is a scum-tell or not.
Mana_Ku wrote:P-edit: Says the one who took my vote as a joke?
Pine wrote:I intend to self-vote and push my lynch when I finish. I have nothing to lose, and Town has everything to gain from this tactic.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Unvote, vote SGRaaize
Pine is being dramatic like town sometimes is, plus he had no reason to say he had weak abilities, so I'm willing to let him go. SGRaaize does not inspire anything in me, so to him will go my vote.
CryMeARiver wrote:On the ABR question topic (the relevant thing):
I personally don't think coordinating our damage is necessary. Besides completely ridiculous people, everyone that is town with damaging spells would use it on players they find scummy. No matter if that player is scum it will either a) Damage/Kill scum b) Damage/Kill 3rd Party or c) Damage/Kill town that is ripe for a mislynch (like SGR).
However, if we were to make a list of the top 3 people to damage that night to coordinate it, I'd propose we also do it for investigating abilities (not protection because that'd let mafia know who we're protecting).
Katy wrote:Amrun wrote:Katy: AtE is Appeal to Emotion, for future reference.
Thanks. I guess I don't see that as a reliable scumtell. I have seen townies appeal to emotion numerous times.
Soben wrote:Icey, non Regfan head here. Although both Regfan and I don't believe you to be scum, we have the town's best interest in mind.
Pine wrote:SGR, I have not self-voted, and the overwhelming negative response received to the suggestion is convincing me not to.
LynchMePls wrote:
Pine
Feysal
implosion
Albert B. Rampage
IceyCupcake
Amrun
CryMeARiver
BabySpice
Zdenek
Dry-fit
chesskid3
Mana_Ku
PeregrineV
Katy
Bunnylover
SnakePlissken
WrathChild
inHimshallibe
gandalf5166
Riceballtail
Beefster
SGRaaize
SCUM
LynchMePls wrote:Mana_Ku wrote:Wrath wasn't the flipfloppinh cheerleader SGR was, so why vote Wrath over SGR?
And it's not that hard looking at which other player was keeping his RVS vote, while seeing a different player as scummy. It's your reason for thinking players are scummy. I have different ones. If I can see it, without thinking it's scummy, you should be able to find it as well.
As extra, your accusation against RBT is terribad. Learn to read sarcasm.
Wrath did it first, and I was reading up on the thread. SGR got my vote once it became obvious he deserved it more.
Pine wrote:I've used my (weak) attack power on IceyCupcake. I encourage everyone who is (wisely) fearful of their waffling between Town-neutral third-party and anti-Town scumminess to do the same.
Amrun wrote:Beefster, are you kidding me? If you think that's why I'm coting for Pine, then you're hiffing glue. And I have been in B-Mod game where the mod said it was theoretically possible for hydras to have diff roles. Is it likely? Of course not.But the hydra just said they have different roles, so asking for clarification is in order.
I asked you a question, Beefster. I see you dodging it, though.
While nothing more needs to be said about Beefster's obviously nothing-of-substance attacks on me, I'm commenting to confirm what I suspected at first. If Pine flips scum, this is a blatant chainsaw by Beefster.
At least someone here thinks I'm town. Cause I am.gandalf5166 wrote:LMP: ITS A TRAP
Albert B. Rampage wrote:I won't take you seriously if and when you flip town. In fact, I will simply ignore all your posts because you will be dead.
inHimshallibe wrote:Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.
Soben wrote:Feysal wrote: I think we should set up a firing squad, and use it as a group vigilante. I've done this before, and the first time we put the idea to practice we actually managed to shoot scum.
I've been pondering over this about recently and still don't believe it's the best way to go mainly due to the fact that 'redirection' or said attacks would be devastating for us -The OP states that redirection occurs before the damage is dealt.
SGRaaize wrote:Taking this away from my Wall of Text cause I really want you to answer
inHimshallibe wrote:Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.
Why did you vote me, anyways?