Mini 1175: Iowa Mafia (Game Over!)

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Akira

[Final Destination]

You're clearly just trying to buddy with people. When Zach seemed indifferent you basically said, "oh you don't want to buddy with me, you're out!"

Voting blocs can be very powerful if the people in them can read each other as town reliably.

Also scum grouping their entire team into a voting bloc would be a very all or nothing type play.

Actually, he isn't indifferent at all. He gives us two reasons why it was a good idea. We became skeptical because all he did was talk MD theory instead of providing actual reads.

I don't know what you're trying to pull

If you don't know what it is then how can you call it scummy?

maybe you're intentionally demeaning to try to get people riled up and emotional or something. Nice try.

Ironically, if this was the case, it would be working best on you, of all people.

Next wave of bad arguments, please.

[Greymarble]

FD are you going to actually contribute or are you just going to act insane and play god for a bit? You are not being helpful to the town doing this so why should we not vote you out?

So you're voting to lynch FD for... not playing as town in the right way?

TBF we did once lynch bgg for something similar... but he claimed VT at L-6, insisted on voting for obvtown, and then around page 20 asked "So whose the cop?" and started chattering about whether we had a cop or not.

Whose your reads on who is scum.

[earworm]

OK, enough fucking around. If the council happens, it will happen regardless of what us "peons" will say. Please stop bitching about it.

At this point I will be fine with lynching Monk or Akira. Discuss.

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Peaf
Avatar please.

you should have something better to vote for

120 posts and the scummiest thing you have is no avatar?

VOTE: Akira

@FD: has it been only fate posting so far or do you both post?

eh. Acharist and I can have our own council

[Final Destination]

Heh. Monk is a fine lynch, and we approve. Akira is climbing his way up there though, he's lost his townpoints from before.

Newest Tell:
Akira-I don't like YOUR reads but I don't have any of my own, I'll make a guy get an avatar LOLTell
Archaist-I'm a moron and my reads are but, but I BELIEVE in them Towntell
Zachrulez-I saw the LOLTell first and called him out on it SlightTowntell

(Zach has been added to the list of reads until he fights his way back into the council)


Grey, who is your current nominee for the council?
I'll nominate one, and then we can argue over which one is townier.

[Final Destination]

We're not signing our posts this game, Twisted.

We are one entity, one mind, one scum-destroying force.

We will stand united and crush evil.

And scum will be kept off guard not knowing which way is up or what angle they can approach us from.

[Twistedspoon]

And scum will be kept off guard not knowing which way is up or what angle they can approach us from.

small question, but how does scum knowing who you are help them to keep you off guard?

anyways, regarding the finer points of your council, I assume that you're going to force all members to vote for the same person or else face exclusion/wagoning/penalty. That way you can control scum should they be in the council, no?

[Zachrulez]

Don't expect me to beg my way back onto your council. You'll be disappointed.

[Zachrulez]

Oh also.

V/LA over memorial weekend

Will possibly have time to post but it's going to be a busy weekend and mafia won't be a priority.

[mikemike778]

The point of the council is that if the three (5) of us do agree the town should probably be doing whatever it is we agree on.
This makes sense to me as we are a pretty skilled / experienced group.
Of course, this idea only works until one of us gets NKed, which does seem pretty likely.
And there's no guarantee we'll even end up agreeing.
I'll do some reading tomorrow.

Well if the three of you don't agree then presumably you aren't voting the same and if you do agree on a scum read then there's a good chance you would vote for that read anyway so seems pretty pointless to me.

But whatever, you can vote for whoever you like as long as you don't assume everyone will follow.

the 3 of you could be the 3 scum in the game.

Hello scumtell. Nobody knows how many scum there are, and it shouldn't be assumed, unless you are one.
Unvote
Vote: Peaf

No. No, no, no, no, no. This is not a scumtell and to suggest so is scummy. How many mini normals on this site have you seen with a different number of scum than three? Three is the norm here. It should be assumed when playing.

This is Peaf's first mini normal game on the site - heck its his first game on the site, why would he assume the scum team has 3 players ? I disagree it does look pretty scummy to me.

[Peaf]

"Hello scumtell. Nobody knows how many scum there are, and it shouldn't be assumed, unless you are one. "
Well somebody hasn't been keeping up with his reading. Someone earlier assumed there would be 3 scum. Didn't see you get in a fuss about that!

"Especially since Peaf and Monk are both scum."
Not even a page earlier you said you had a good towntell on me (and you didn't answer my questions, jerk).

FD, who the fuck are you. If you know my from GFAX, tell me. I can tell from the fact that you think I'm scum right now that you're one of the lesser players from GFAX (probably why you came here tbqh). And if you were good, you would notice the possibility that perhaps not all 3 of you are, but one or two

could be

and any 'townie' who can willingly trust

two other people

whose alignments he can't be 100% sure of is not someone I can trust.

"I'm setting up lynches because unless there's a doc with his head out of his ass, I AM dying N1. So you fucks need your guidance and you need it TODAY."
Trust me - acting like this sure as hell ain't gonna get you protected if the doc thinks you're scum.
And if you were OH SO WORRIED about dying tonight, why'd you bring extra attention to yourself with the council? All you did was scream "HEY SCUM, PRETTY SURE I'M AWESOME, LEAVING ME ALIVE WOULD BE BAD FOR YOU."

I will not avatar until I find something I deem good enough, and voting me for that on

PAGE FUCKING FIVE

is honestly hilarious.

For all this "3 scum" talk that started because of me, it seems EVERYONE missed this (#17):
"@Archaist: I have no idea who you are. I was saying you're the third scum.

Hiplop is actually not scum because with 2 buddies in a pregame QT he would have figured out the confirmation process.
3 minutes is still a superfast response to the thread opening though...

And before y'all go "oh he knows there are 3 scum" I always make that assumption until other evidence presents itself.

Monk is already town because he's trying."

And no, can't say I care much for this quote system here. Live with it.

"This is Peaf's first mini normal game on the site - heck its his first game on the site, why would he assume the scum team has 3 players ? I disagree it does look pretty scummy to me."
See: #17
Thanks to GM.
But even without him, I'd assume more than two and no more than 4.
Don't see why it matters much,

because my point is still the same

- members on the council COULD be scum and as a townie I DO NOT KNOW right now if they are or not.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is your first introduction to the Peafjournal. I don't give a flying fuck what you think of it, it's me posting my thoughts. For the future, I don't care if I bring up something that was discussed 40 pages ago - I'm bringing it up because I think it's at least semi-relevant. This one was short because we only had a few pages - I don't hold back, even when there are more.


Lastly, I'm still at college, finals the second week of June (not too worried about them tbqh). Anyway, got two friends visiting for Memorial Day weekend, so my activity is going to be low until Monday-ish, probably. I'll still be here, but don't expect peafjournals in that time.

[Peaf]

And actually, lol @ OMGUS from bgg

[earworm]

@Peaf: please, please, please use some type of identifiers when talking about quotes. It's only because I've been reading this thread carefully that I know what the hell you're talking about. If you don't like the quote system could you possibly look into using the url code?

[Peaf]

OK, enough fucking around. If the council happens, it will happen regardless of what us "peons" will say. Please stop bitching about it.

At this point I will be fine with lynching Monk or Akira. Discuss.

I think that limiting youself to two players with so much time available left in the day is naive.
I don't care much about the council, but I'll be damned if they expect me to follow them. I am my own player, thanks.
As for your preferred lynches, I'd rather lynch Akira over monk right now, but of course I'd rather lynch bgg.

[Peaf]

Quotes work well when responding to one post - making remarks about 5 or 10 or 30, bit more of a pain in the ass.

[Final Destination]

Unvote:
Vote: Peaf

He's gone and done it.

Townpoints for whoever dissects his post and finds any ACTUAL evidence of scumhunting.

. I can tell from the fact that you think I'm scum right now that you're one of the lesser players from GFAX

(probably why you came here tbqh)

He's insulted our site. All as some grandiose reasoning to discredit an all town council.

Because sure, Town can't be 100% sure of anyone's alignments, but that's no reasons you can't trust town reads.

Town trusting eachother and banding together wins games.

Scum are afraid of that.

Scum like Peaf.

Very afraid.

And he's still unwilling to bus Monk.

[Greymarble]

ISO #4, ISO #5, ISO #6.

Turn off the OMGUS, last wagon was a useful one, this crusade you'll have to carry the banner alone.

[Peaf]

Fair enough. Kill me if it makes you happy. You're hurt and insulted and you know that you're terrible. Town trusting other players with zero evidence on day 1 is dumb. And if you can have 100% town reads less than 150 posts in, props to you. But I don't believe it. I'm hurting your authority, and you know it, and you want me gone. You're not scumhunting, you're playing to assert your dominance. Like scum would.

Monk hasn't really struck my eye yet. The bigger problem here is you and your superiority. I might check monk out once I've figured out if you're scum or town - I feel that this is more important right now. Not like we're low on time or anything, right?

[Peaf]

GM, could you explain the ISO stuff? No idea what you're saying.

[Peaf]

Because sure, Town can't be 100% sure of anyone's alignments, but that's no reasons you can't trust town reads.

Town trusting eachother and banding together wins games.

And yet you have ignored every effort to get me to trust you. What's your game, FD? I've asked you legitimate questions and you haven't answered them. For all your "trust me trust me" you're begging everyone to do, you haven't given me quick basic info that would help me scumhunt.
Or rather, determine whether or not you're scum.
You afraid of me or something? Should be.

[Final Destination]

K that was useful

Unvote:
Vote: Monk

Peaf says that Monk admitting he was newbscum, but he's still THIRD on his voting list?

I want him dead just for that, but I suppose I'll need Monk's scumflip first.

I'm not asking anyone to trust me. I'm asking Grey to form a council with me and we're electing a third member who is very likely town.

The rest of you will have to decide whether you read the council as town or not, and what you're going to do about it. At the very most, the rest of you should scumhunt with the realization you wouldn't be able to get Grey or I lynched today.

[Final Destination]

And if you really can't think of a single reason for town to trust each other D1 150 posts in then you've fallen a long way Peaf.

[Akira]

Listen guys, I sort of expected this reaction to my vote. But the truth is I have no solid scum reads right now.
I disagreed with FD's reads because he listed monk, Archaist and mikemike, which are three players on which I have a slight towntell. But to vote, I need a scumtell, and there's no case I agree with right now.

Yeah, I was pretty lazy when I made my last post. But the vote remains until I find something better.

I need to look into a few things right now.

[Peaf]

K that was useful

Unvote:
Vote: Monk

Peaf says that Monk admitting he was newbscum, but he's still THIRD on his voting list?

I want him dead just for that, but I suppose I'll need Monk's scumflip first.

I'm not asking anyone to trust me. I'm asking Grey to form a council with me and we're electing a third member who is very likely town.

The rest of you will have to decide whether you read the council as town or not, and what you're going to do about it. At the very most, the rest of you should scumhunt with the realization you wouldn't be able to get Grey or I lynched today.

Useful in what way, FD? What did I say that made you unvote me so fast?
Perhaps you are actually scared of me.
How do you know monk is third of my voting list? I never said anything of the sort. Don't assume to be in my head, because you're not.
And no, you are asking people to trust you. A council that no one trusts gets nothing done. You wouldn't want that, would you?

I would argue that 150 posts is not nearly enough to trust multiple players so concretely - perhaps slightly, but a council doesn't allow for members on the council to change their mind about other members in the future. You're willing to bet a good portion of the game on your early game reads. And for that, I believe you're the lesser player.
Thanks for the insult, though. I'll keep it in mind.