Large Normal 132: Desert Mafia (Over!)

[Kublai Khan]

I think puppies are cute.

I don't care for your fence-sitting on puppies. You aren't taking a strong stance on them. My theory is that you hate puppies because I saw you twice walk past a puppy and not pet it. The very WORDS you use to describe your opinions about puppies is scummy.

We get it, mastin2. I'm scum no matter what I do. Either put it all in spoiler tags like the junk it is or don't even post about me until Day 2.

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Vote Count

• Scott Brosius: 2 (Kublai Kahn, Skyquiem) L-6
  Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
  Silver1337: 2 (DeityKabuto, Hiraki) L-6
  
  gorilla: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
  Ranmaru: 1 (RisingPhoenix) L-7
  Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
  
  Not Voting: 5 (inHimshallibe, [winger], Silver1337, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[DeityKabuto]

Deity is catching my attention. He's changing votes waaaay too often.

Yea, keep in mind, it's not a scum tell. But I still want you to explain your way of lurker being your game play and how that is not scummy...

[Silver1337]

Deity is catching my attention. He's changing votes waaaay too often.

Yea, keep in mind, it's not a scum tell. But I still want you to explain your way of lurker being your game play and how that is not scummy...

I have a reputation for making useless posts. They tend to be based on a good reason, but I don't really give very good examples. This includes mafia games outside of this site. Therefore, it's probably best I keep my mouth shut.

Also, I know changing votes on D1 isn't a scumtell, but this arouses my suspicion for D2.

[mastin2]

Khan, I'm not Tunneling.

See, I'm keeping an open mind about the six names I've posted. I'm willing to accept that I'm not a perfect scumhunter, and some of the names that I've called scum are actually town. In particular, the ones who are actually giving me that impression.

You are not among them.

Your posts are consistently failing to show me any signs of being pro-town, which is worse than pretty much every single other suspect of mine.

[Ranmaru]

Deity is catching my attention. He's changing votes waaaay too often.

Yea, keep in mind, it's not a scum tell. But I still want you to explain your way of lurker being your game play and how that is not scummy...

I have a reputation for making useless posts. They tend to be based on a good reason, but I don't really give very good examples. This includes mafia games outside of this site. Therefore, it's probably best I keep my mouth shut.

Also, I know changing votes on D1 isn't a scumtell,

but this arouses my suspicion for D2

.

Why? Dk has caught your attention with something that isn't a scumtell on D1? Can you explain that.

[Ranmaru]

@Khan:

Yes but Silver freaked out after two votes. I can only see this as a newbie tell so it's null to me. (Thus why I am asking him a question)
Explain your Hiraki read a bit further please.
I actually disagree with Mastin on your scumminess. What he explains is just bad reads, not scum motivation.
I agree Mana seems to dislike Gorilla's play but has yet to place a vote. Is Manu new?
Winger/Gorilla I agree on. Gorilla > Winger.
Rp is legit.

@Everyone: Which of you have played with Empking before? Which of you all KNEW who he was?

[mastin2]

@Everyone: Which of you have played with Empking before? Which of you all KNEW who he was?

I highly respect Empking. The fact that his Pokemon Avatar is Magicarp can tell you just the kind of guy he is: someone you expect to be a weak player, who should be worthless, and then,
WHAM!

He catches you off-guard with just how awesome he is.

He's a great theorist and I've read almost all of his MD work. Even if I didn't necessarily agree with his conclusions, I was always interested in his topics, sparking valuable discussion. More than that, he is one of the most concise scumhunters I've ever seen, but not in a bad way. Not always the most clear scumhunter, but definitely among the most concise. And that's a skill which for a chronic waller is admirable, to say the least.

Empking's essentially the kind of guy I've tried to be: good theorist who loves MD, short, concise, and relatively clear.

I fall a little short on pretty much all of them. :/

[Scott Brosius]

@Scott

>.<

I could only find the one that I played in, the other that I was watching is being a bitch to find within the mass of bookmarks that I have attained over the years.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 46&start=0

Have at it- you only need to look through day 1. I believe, if memory serves, that the Traitor made a big fuss about it. I seem to remember a cult doing so as well.

Anyways- migraine central after that, but brb with more.

- Head 1

Alright, one game doesn't really impress or serve as any sort of pattern. But since one head is already out there, my pressure is no longer necessary.

I don't seem scum getting mad 100 posts in saying they are VT. It's terrible and quite anti-town but I really doubt it's scum. Going voting my new lead scum read.

Unvote
Vote: Gorilla

[Silver1337]

Also, I know changing votes on D1 isn't a scumtell,

but this arouses my suspicion for D2

.

Why? Dk has caught your attention with something that isn't a scumtell on D1? Can you explain that.

If he does the same thing on D2... then it's scummy imo.

[Silver1337]

Whoa, quote fail. lol.

[Hiraki]

No reasons, and going against general opinion.

Your opinion of me is disheartening.

[Kublai Khan]

Actually, KK, that's pretty accurate. I'm just waiting for someone to do something scummy, then pounce on them.

Funny story. You know what's a great strategy for scum? To say as little as possible until someone else messes up, then they can jump on the bandwagon.

unvote
Vote: [winger]

@Skyquiem - Explain your gorilla town-read.

Your posts are consistently failing to show me any signs of being pro-town, which is worse than pretty much every single other suspect of mine.

ANYTHING I post would fail to show you any signs that I'm being pro-town. Because you're tunneling.

Also, my post of reads (requested by Skyquiem) was not intended to be scum-hunting. It was intended to be a post of reads. You actually realize that right?

Explain your Hiraki read a bit further please.

@Everyone: Which of you have played with Empking before? Which of you all KNEW who he was?

I've played with town-Hiraki before. He's not done anything out of character.

I am playing and have played with Empking.

[Hiraki]

Khan has a good point.

Hmmzorz.

I like Silver scum though. [winger] doesn't do anything anyway.

lolscumdefense

[mastin2]

Silver and winger are both town.

If there's one thing I do well, it's town-hunt on certain names extremely well. Silver I get a STRONG town-read from, and winger--while one of my suspects--I currently believe to be town. It's possible winger could fall back into my scumlist, but right now, just not seeing it.

[mastin2]

(Also, for the record, I tend to be NK'd by scum more often for stopping their preferred mislynches, rather than because I'm close to lynching them and am just that dang good of a scumhunter.
I wish I were that good so that they'd kill me out of fear that I'd lynch 'em all, but I historically have not been.

I have, however, stopped multiple mislynches which would've been far easier to go through with me dead, so...yeah.)

Essentially, I'm saying that when I say someone's a mislynch (in this case, Silver, and likely winger as well), they're pretty dang likely to be a mislynch.

[Hiraki]

If there's one thing I do well, it's town-hunt on certain names extremely well

Hmmzorz.

Like Pine.

Hmmzorz.

Just had to rub it in.

[mastin2]

Pine is one of the very few names who I have concluded I can never--and should never again so much as try to--read. That is an incredibly rare honor. There's only one or two other people of Pine's caliber who can do that, and that's off-site. (Ah, Chessmaster Battles in Mafia Games used to be so fun for me, until they got too stressful. The fact that I kept losing to one guy in particular was rather annoying. He was quite my Rival, kinda an ArchNemesis. I vowed to never again read him after one too many failed attempts.
As you can tell by my fondness for that moment, it is incredibly rare to be on the unreadable list by me. Pine's on it. Which is one of the reasons I hope we only need TWO replacements in this game, rather than three*. )

*And hopefully they replace in order, of course. (Look to the original post to see why I'm afraid of there being replacements in this game. If Pine come in, I'd have to rely exclusively on the previous player's posts for that slot.)

[[winger]]

KK - how does that distinguish me from being scum or a lazy townie? Where is the distinction there that makes me scum?

[gorilla]

VOTE: winger

[mastin2]

Bad Ape, Bad Ape, Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad!

[gorilla]

no not really he's scum he made a scum post, I don't care if you think otherwise

[Ranmaru]

Hi Gorilla! Post thoughts now?

I'm thinking you need to start posting content instead of whitenoise junk, and the fact that you're asking others for thoughts but not really following up on the questions makes me think you're scum

leaning scum on scott for the dumb outrage/push on the hydra.

silver reads more noob than scummy

I don't get why DK was made to claim on page 1, that was really dumb

I don't have anyone else I particularly feel like commenting on atm

Ok Gorilla. You vote Winger, but none of the scum reads you state here. Why is that?

Why is Winger Scum?

[Ranmaru]

Actually, KK, that's pretty accurate. I'm just waiting for someone to do something scummy, then pounce on them.

Funny story. You know what's a great strategy for scum? To say as little as possible until someone else messes up, then they can jump on the bandwagon.

Like Gorilla did. What do you think of Gorilla voting your scumread?

Ah, have you ever seen Hiraki as scum to know that it isn't his scum game as well?

Ok, thank you.

[gorilla]

because he makes scummy posts, especially the one he just made, posted after I made that post. that's not a town question. reads have evolved since that post. you're more likely to just be a dumb townie aggressively tunneling on me because you don't like my play moreso than you are scum now, in my opinion. I already said that.

[Ranmaru]

Right, but why didn't you vote at that time, instead of voting him after Khan voted Winger in his #211? You never even questioned/talked to Winger.

At the time, you had Scott as scum. Is this still your read on him?

Now now, please no insults.

Ok, why is that not a town question? How does that instantly make him scum?