Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[ooba]

@Zdenek
Agree on the long term implications but cobbler looks like someone who can handle himself when pressured (Have to read his previous game because ABR said he read everybody's previous game before making a choice)

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In one phrase, why would ABR and Kinetic have picked Cobbler?

WIFOM. And the fact that "They would have never picked a inexperienced person" argument would put us off lynching them ..

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The point of trying to outguess the CR's is to find the scum, and it might work because the CR's are rational humans.

Get your facts right - The CRs are Cylons.

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Upon serious consideration, I have concluded that ooba is too lynchalicious to make a safe recruit.

People find me scummy in general in all my games, but the times I've been actually lynched is low ..

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If a CR chooses someone who doesn't play well as scum, that player may screw up and

make a scumslip

or be caught by people focusing on behavioural scumhunting.

The unrecruitable claim didn't really trouble me that much about cobbler but this phrase ("Let me last at least one night") did - Skruffs said this when he was an SK in random mafia three .. I also remember DGB scum wanting to last another day so that she can become a treestump ..

[DrippingGoofball]

We need to end this day soon, we're giving the cuiterscum too much info about where we're going.

[Nobody Special]

If Cobbler was cruitscum, he'd be lurking harder right now.

You seem awfully sure of yourself.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am.

[Nobody Special]

Why?

[DrippingGoofball]

I have faith in my own experience.

[populartajo]

Really would like you to answer my question, Tajo. Why are you so keen on trying to get me to leave the confirmed scum alone?

As far as I can tell, there's nothing anti-town about me asking them questions. You attacking me and actually voting for that really seems odd, like you're either trying to fake a reason to suspect me, or else you're trying to prevent me from getting reactions from the cult recruiters.

YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.

THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT. PRETENDING THAT THEY CAN GIVE YOU INFO IS ANTITOWN.

WHAT VALID INFO DID YOU SINCERELY THINK YOU COULD GET?

YOU ARE CULT.

[populartajo]

UNvote

@Tajo: Easily overlooked

I originally had my vote on cobbler due to the whole him claiming unrecruitable out of nowhere. When he did that, I was thinking he may be scum trying to protect himself somehow. If he didn't claim that, I don't even think we would be talking about him at this point.

Question I have for the people who have played DGB before:

How hard is she to lynch?

I think ThAdmiral made a damn good point. Whoever is the one recruited would indeed be active, if not MORE active D1, Even if it draws them heat. Odds are we would be looking away from said person anyway. She already fits the active part by the way she is acting now, but if she also tends to get overlooked due to her mad ramblings D1, she could be a D1 recruit target. Personally, I think we should look at DGB at least a little before D1 is out.

WAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN

weak reason to suspect someone that is unlikely to get recruited : check.
asking if dgb is hard to lynch: why?

tanarin, who recruited you?

[populartajo]

tanarin, how does claiming unrecruitable help cobblerfone cult?

[Herodotus]

@Herodotus

Why are you still voting me?

As of the time when you asked, I have found no towntells from you. Not one thing that makes me think you might be town. And you would have been a good recruitment choice.
But what you said about kinetic/DGb is making me think (though I consider it relevant meta for those unfamiliar with DGb, even while I'm confounded that confirmed scum would be helpful). Do you believe kinetic was trying to avert the xvart wagon in particular?

If Chronopie will be V/LA for multiple weeks, that playerslot needs either a vig or a replacement.

[Yosarian2]

YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.

Bull. I have been helpful, more helpful then many people in this game. Far more helpful then you voting me for doing something that's not anti-town.

If you don't think my attempts to draw the cult recruiters out are going to be fruitful, then feel free to ignore them, i don't care. You calling them scummy, though, when they're at best potentially helpful and at worst harmless, looks like an attempt on your part to fake scumhunting.

THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT.

Of course they are. That's exactly why they might be useful.

I don't know where people got the idea that WIFOM=useless. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

WHAT VALID INFO DID YOU SINCERELY THINK YOU COULD GET?

If I ask a cult recruiter about recruiting inexeperenced people, do you really think that his response is going to be exactly the same no matter if he recruited one or not? I don't. People's emotions and their goals affect their posting, always, especially in high pressure situations like today would be for a cult recruiter.

Kinetic is playing his cards close to his chest, unfortunately. There's information to be gathered from that too, though; I'd expect Kinetic to be trying more gambits if we were close to lynching his recruit. On the other hand, ABR is trying to fling all kinds of BS around, he's attacking people (like me), he's playing WIFOM games. All that suggests to me that he's worried, that one of the top wagons might be his recruit, that he wants to create a distraction.

[Yosarian2]

tanarin, how does claiming unrecruitable help cobblerfone cult?

It reduces his odds of being lynched. It's a strong, important power role that he will never have to confirm in any way, and that doesn't have any risk of being counterclaimed (since there's fairly likely more then one unrecruitable townie anyway). If believed, it reduces his odds of being investigated later, or being vigged, or being targeted by other town roles. Also, one big risk of cult recruits is that if the other cult targets them and fails, then the other cult will know their alignment and the recruiter can leak that information to the town; being untargatable eliminates that risk.

All in all, it's a great claim for a cult recruit. There's really none better.

[DrippingGoofball]

...I'd expect Kinetic to be trying more gambits if we were close to lynching his recruit.

He tried to muddy my good name for no reason, did he not? Is that not a gambit of sorts? Don't say no right away, think about it.

Also. tajo is not cruitscum.

[Nobody Special]

See, you're assuming you have a good name to start with.

[Battousai]

Katsuki- Feeling better yet? I expect more posts from you than this.

Tanarin- From my experience with DGB, I find it easier to tell her alignment by her interactions with her scum mates and vice versa.

[Flameaxe]

I'm due for a post as soon as I return to my apartment. Yell at me otherwise.

[bvoigt]

tanarin, how does claiming unrecruitable help cobblerfone cult?

He tried to use it as an explanation to explain some earlier, scummy play.

Your first statement makes me believe that you would have recruited a doctor name role on the off chance that he would actually be a doctor; otherwise you are saying that you would have recruited him just because he had doctor in his name... Then you go on to say that you were trying to avoid lynching a potential PR, which your previously suggested is who you would have recruited. If the recruiters are behaving in the same manner that you are you should be lynching that person. And, your bail on that wagon makes no sense because you wanted to avoid lynching a potential PR so why did you jump on that wagon to begin with. You are obviously trying to sneak onto whatever wagon you can without making waves and then when you do make waves change your story.

I know the role I have. I was halfway sure that all teamsters might've had it too. To explain in short: I'm unrecruitable. The scum will have to lynch or kill me. That's the difference that made me not want to lynch you.

[bvoigt]

That was redundant, but you get what I meant.

[Kinetic]

Really would like you to answer my question, Tajo. Why are you so keen on trying to get me to leave the confirmed scum alone?

As far as I can tell, there's nothing anti-town about me asking them questions. You attacking me and actually voting for that really seems odd, like you're either trying to fake a reason to suspect me, or else you're trying to prevent me from getting reactions from the cult recruiters.

YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.

THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT. PRETENDING THAT THEY CAN GIVE YOU INFO IS ANTITOWN.

WHAT VALID INFO DID YOU SINCERELY THINK YOU COULD GET?

YOU ARE CULT.

Get him! Call him out! Yea! Take those lemons and throw them back at life! Burn life's house down!

...I'd expect Kinetic to be trying more gambits if we were close to lynching his recruit.

He tried to muddy my good name for no reason, did he not? Is that not a gambit of sorts? Don't say no right away, think about it.

Also. tajo is not cruitscum.

You have a good name? Since when?

See, you're assuming you have a good name to start with.

I LIKE THIS KID! HE'S SAYING WHAT WE'RE ALL THINKING!

[Kinetic]

BTW, no matter what DGB's plan is tomorrow, I'm going to rail against it as if its the worst thing in the world, and that the town should NEVER, EVER, EVER follow it.

I expect you all to take that as reverse psychology to accept her word as gospel, like the sheep you are.

Because what I really want is for you to follow DGB. Because either she is completely wrong (which is likely) and will lose for the town, or she is going to be working for me. Because there is no chance ABR will recruit her. Except, because of that, he might, and I know for certain DGB will really try to lose if she's on ABR's team.

So either way, I win.

Please. Listen to DGB. Follow her. If you do, I can't lose.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki- Feeling better yet? I expect more posts from you than this.

Feeling better, thanks. Got finals coming up though... (starting Friday).

I've had surprisingly little to comment on, hence virtually no posting.

[DrippingGoofball]

We really need to wrap this day before we spill more beans that the cruiterscumz can use to their advantage.

[DrippingGoofball]

I've had surprisingly little to comment on, hence virtually no posting.

You are not voting.

Vote.

[Katsuki]

I've had surprisingly little to comment on, hence virtually no posting.

You are not voting.

Vote.

Who's scum?

[Flameaxe]

I've had surprisingly little to comment on, hence virtually no posting.

You are not voting.

Vote.

Who's scum?

You tell us.