Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)

[Starbuck]

Holy fuck, I'm ridiculous.

Never put this game in my bookmarked topics.

[Starbuck]

Is there anything important I need to know before I start my read?

[Starbuck]

When there's more than like 25 pages of reading when I replace in, I always ask that.

So how is something I always do scummy, Fate?

[Starbuck]

Still working on trying to read through this monster of a game.

/sigh

[Starbuck]

Mod: You haven't included Kmd in the Dead List in the 1st post.

[Starbuck]

These are for my own sanity, so I have a place to reference them all.

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Gorrad

- 11 - iamausername,

Cyberbob

, SpyreX/Fate, Antihero/TheFonz,

inHimshallibe

,

yabbaguy

,

nocase

,

farside22

,

Dutch one

,

Dripping Goofball

, RedCoyote

werewolf555

- 3 -

Chevre

, Korlash,

curiouskarmadog

Chevre

- 2 -

Seraphim

,

Xalxe

nocase

- 2 -

Gorrad

,

werewolf555

DrippingGoofball

- 1 -

Kmd4390

Antihero/TheFonz

- 1 - Weatherman/Starbuck

Players not voting:

PokerFace,

curiouskarmadog

I'm going to assume that ckd wasn't a double voter.

Final Day 2 Vote Count

Chevre

- 9 - iamausername,

yabbaguy

,

inHimshallibe

,

nocase

,

Kmd4390

,

cyberbob

,

Dutch one

, Pokerface, RedCoyote

Dutch one

- 3 -

Chevre

, SpyreX/Fate, Korlash

SpyreX/Fate

- 1 - Weatherman/Starbuck

Cyberbob

- 1 -

curiouskarmadog

Kmd4390

- 1 -

DrippingGoofball

Players not voting:

Xtoxm

, Antihero/TheFonz

Final Day 3 Vote Count

inHimshallibe

- 6 - RedCoyote, iamausername,

yabbaguy

,

Kmd4390

, SpyreX/Fate, PokerFace

SpyreX/Fate

- 2 -

DrippingGoofball

,

Dutch one

RedCoyote

- 1 -

Cyberbob

Cyberbob

- 2 -

inHimshallibe

, Ojanen/Starbuck

PokerFace

- 1 - Korlash

Players not voting:

Antihero/TheFonz

Final Day 4 Vote Count

Kmd4390

- 5 - iamausername, RedCoyote,

DrippingGoofball

, PokerFace, The Fonz

Nachomamma8/DGB

- 2 - The Fonz,

Kmd4390

RedCoyote

- 1 -

Cyberbob

iamausername

- 1 - Korlash

The Fonz

- 1 - Fate

Players not voting:

Starbuck

[Starbuck]

I tried to sit down and get through this game and it's just so much. So I'm going to go a different way and see if I can help scumhunt in this respect.

Some curious things I've noticed about the above...

- iamausername and RedCoyote are on every single lynch.

- ckd's showing up on the werewolf555 bandwagon and in Players not voting. I figure this to be a mod error.

Mod: Can you clarify?

- Cyberbob votes for RedCoyote two days in a row (3 and 4).

- The Fonz on both the KMD and DGB wagons. If he's claimed double voter and I haven't seen it, I apologize. I plan to read over his posts in a bit.


I am also confused because the mod's last vote count says KMD has 5 votes. Shouldn't it have been a no lynch since it was only at 5 votes and not 6?

[Starbuck]

So now The Fonz needs to explain that double vote.

[Starbuck]

It's ok. Thanks for clearing it up. =)

[Starbuck]

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

[Starbuck]

I said I tried reading, but I gave the list of the different lynches. Currently, my suspicions fall on Iam and RC for being on every single End of Day lynch.

RC more than Iam.

[Starbuck]

82 pages is a lot and I'm also in the middle of outprocessing out of the military.

I tried to start reading, but it started to drag, so I started doing things a bit differently that I usually do. Trying to research those left in the game, rather than trying to read the whole game and get frustrated.

[Starbuck]

But that's okay because as scum, you'll latch on to that to make me look scummy and get an easy lynch out of it.

Vote: RedCoyote

[Starbuck]

I have no problem with the lynch being on me if that's what the town decides is the best action.

I know I really haven't brought anything to the table. It's been awhile since I've replaced in to a game longer than 20-30 pages.

[Starbuck]

Whatever I do, RC will call it scummy .

At least I'm not alone in this.

[Starbuck]

Is completly defeatist and scummy. If she was town I would not have suspected the go ahead and kill me part. She must have known how long the game was when she agreed to replace. I would expect her as ton to say cut me some slack and keep trying the just kill me know part goes directly against the idea of playing to win as town while it is still able to gain extra sympathy as scum. Town her replacing in would likly not have said it

You're completely wrong. I had no idea how long this game was.

Kublai Khan and I cross-replaced when Stephoscope and I needed a replacement for the now completed game of Open 290 - Double Day.

I haven't had the concentration to even try to catch up with how long this game is. So yeah, you're going to get a bit of a defeatist attitude out of me because I don't want to make KK have to find another replacement and I feel terrible because I'm not really contributing at all to the town.

[Starbuck]

There is neither a Starbuck-PF scum team or a Starbuck-Fate scumteam because I am not scum. I am as town as Elton John is gay.

[Starbuck]

I still am thinking of one between Iam and RC and it's not because they are attacking me. They were on the bandwagon of every lynchee every single day of this game.

At least one, if not both, are scum.

[Starbuck]

It's possible. I'm not saying it's an exact science.

[Starbuck]

But it is something to learn from. In this post are all the end of day vote counts.


It's highly unlikely that cyberbob was the only scum on Chevre's Day 2 lynch. The other 3 people that we don't know the faction of are Iam, RC and Pokerface.


Going off of trends the only people left alive that voted for each lynch are these:

Day 1 on Gorrad - Iam, SpyreX/Fate, Antihero/The Fonz, RedCoyote
Day 2 on Chevre - Iam, Poker, RedCoyote
Day 3 on InHim - RedCoyote, Iam, SpyreX/Fate and Pokerface
Day 4 on KMD - Iam, RedCoyote, PokerFace, The Fonz


Korlash hasn't voted for a single lynch all game and unfortunately, neither has my slot.

Although, Ojanen did vote for Cyberbob in Day 3's final vote count along with townie InHim.

Korlash, in turn, voted for town-werewolf, town-Dutch One, PokerFace and Iam.

On all 4 lynches, Iam is either the first vote (Days 1, 2 and 4) or the 2nd (Day 3). Kinda convenient imho.

[Starbuck]

Unfortunately the actions of those before me will be held over my head. That's the way it goes for replacements.

But how about you, Fonz?

You replaced in and you replace someone who lynched a townie and you, yourself, voted to lynch a townie.

[Starbuck]

Why am I not surprised?

[Starbuck]

I haven't said content later or scum on my wagon.

[Starbuck]

I tried to sit down and get through this game and it's just so much. So I'm going to go a different way and see if I can help scumhunt in this respect.

[Starbuck]

I haven't been caught on any scum tells because I'm not scum.

You are blatantly lying about me and I'm not gonna let that slide.

[Starbuck]

So Fate, are you saying since I'm town that I should vote for myself?

That's not really kosher.

[Starbuck]

Unvote
Vote: Fate

[Starbuck]

Fate said that we need all town on my lynch, so therefore he's saying that since I'm town that I should vote for myself.

[Starbuck]

I'm not playing any card.

I decided to try and do something different this time with replacing in and it obviously backfired. I still think I drummed up some good info, and I hope it can be used if I'm lynched and when you all see I'm telling the truth.

[Starbuck]

So Fonz, I think this has gone on long enough and it's time for you to make a decision.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck claims her not being a factor in this game is a positive for her

MISREPRESENTATION.

I never said that.

[Starbuck]

You've been going after me all day, Red. I don't expect you to stop now, but just where did I say that? Hmmm?

Give me a quote, please.

[Starbuck]

You also didn't "basically twist my arm". Quit taking credit where there's no credit to take.

[Starbuck]

If you thought not bringing anything to the table was scummy, you wouldn't be doing it, no?

But I have brought items of discussion to the table. It may not be exactly what you are looking for me to bring, but I brought some bacon.

Actions speak louder than words, hon.

But you still didn't twist my arm, dear.

[Starbuck]

I made a post of all the lynch wagons that I guess RC promptly ignored.

[Starbuck]

Post 1995

These are for my own sanity, so I have a place to reference them all.

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Gorrad

- 11 - iamausername,

Cyberbob

, SpyreX/Fate, Antihero/TheFonz,

inHimshallibe

,

yabbaguy

,

nocase

,

farside22

,

Dutch one

,

Dripping Goofball

, RedCoyote

werewolf555

- 3 -

Chevre

, Korlash,

curiouskarmadog

Chevre

- 2 -

Seraphim

,

Xalxe

nocase

- 2 -

Gorrad

,

werewolf555

DrippingGoofball

- 1 -

Kmd4390

Antihero/TheFonz

- 1 - Weatherman/Starbuck

Players not voting:

PokerFace,

curiouskarmadog

I'm going to assume that ckd wasn't a double voter.

Final Day 2 Vote Count

Chevre

- 9 - iamausername,

yabbaguy

,

inHimshallibe

,

nocase

,

Kmd4390

,

cyberbob

,

Dutch one

, Pokerface, RedCoyote

Dutch one

- 3 -

Chevre

, SpyreX/Fate, Korlash

SpyreX/Fate

- 1 - Weatherman/Starbuck

Cyberbob

- 1 -

curiouskarmadog

Kmd4390

- 1 -

DrippingGoofball

Players not voting:

Xtoxm

, Antihero/TheFonz

Final Day 3 Vote Count

inHimshallibe

- 6 - RedCoyote, iamausername,

yabbaguy

,

Kmd4390

, SpyreX/Fate, PokerFace

SpyreX/Fate

- 2 -

DrippingGoofball

,

Dutch one

RedCoyote

- 1 -

Cyberbob

Cyberbob

- 2 -

inHimshallibe

, Ojanen/Starbuck

PokerFace

- 1 - Korlash

Players not voting:

Antihero/TheFonz

Final Day 4 Vote Count

Kmd4390

- 5 - iamausername, RedCoyote,

DrippingGoofball

, PokerFace, The Fonz

Nachomamma8/DGB

- 2 - The Fonz,

Kmd4390

RedCoyote

- 1 -

Cyberbob

iamausername

- 1 - Korlash

The Fonz

- 1 - Fate

Players not voting:

Starbuck

[Starbuck]

I am uncertain why he would be grasping at such straws unless he's gone into scum panic mode.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he's doing since I have put Fate at L-1.

[Starbuck]

I'm not deliberately doing anything.

[Starbuck]

RC tried to put words in my mouth by blatantly misrepresenting me and I'm supposed to sit back and let that happen?

No, sir. I won't do it.

[Starbuck]

It's a cross between not wanting this town to mislynch one of their own and reaction hunting. Note that big long post condemning me from RC after I vote Fate. It definitely feels like he is going balls to the wall to save a teammate.

It's obvious it's either me or Fate today, and RC isn't making it into the equation.

While I do suspect RC the most, it is irresponsible of me to keep my vote on him when it is better placed on a possible lynchee.

[Starbuck]

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Gorrad

- 11 - iamausername,

Cyberbob

,

SpyreX/Fate

, Antihero/TheFonz,

inHimshallibe

,

yabbaguy

,

nocase

,

farside22

,

Dutch one

,

Dripping Goofball

, RedCoyote

werewolf555

- 3 -

Chevre

,

Korlash

,

curiouskarmadog

Chevre

- 2 -

Seraphim

,

Xalxe

nocase

- 2 -

Gorrad

,

werewolf555

DrippingGoofball

- 1 -

Kmd4390

Antihero/TheFonz

- 1 - Weatherman/Starbuck

Players not voting:

PokerFace,

curiouskarmadog

Final Day 2 Vote Count

Chevre

- 9 - iamausername,

yabbaguy

,

inHimshallibe

,

nocase

,

Kmd4390

,

cyberbob

,

Dutch one

, Pokerface, RedCoyote

Dutch one

- 3 -

Chevre

,

SpyreX/Fate

,

Korlash

SpyreX/Fate

- 1 - Weatherman/Starbuck

Cyberbob

- 1 -

curiouskarmadog

Kmd4390

- 1 -

DrippingGoofball

Players not voting:

Xtoxm

, Antihero/TheFonz

Final Day 3 Vote Count

inHimshallibe

- 6 - RedCoyote, iamausername,

yabbaguy

,

Kmd4390

,

SpyreX/Fate

, PokerFace

SpyreX/Fate

- 2 -

DrippingGoofball

,

Dutch one

RedCoyote

- 1 -

Cyberbob

Cyberbob

- 2 -

inHimshallibe

, Ojanen/Starbuck

PokerFace

- 1 -

Korlash

Players not voting:

Antihero/TheFonz

Final Day 4 Vote Count

Kmd4390

- 5 - iamausername, RedCoyote,

DrippingGoofball

, PokerFace, The Fonz

Nachomamma8/DGB

- 2 - The Fonz,

Kmd4390

RedCoyote

- 1 -

Cyberbob

iamausername

- 1 -

Korlash

The Fonz

- 1 -

Fate

Players not voting:

Starbuck

Final Day 5 Vote Count

Fate

- 4 -

Korlash

, iamausername, Starbuck, PokerFace

Starbuck

- 2 -

Fate

, RedCoyote

PokerFace

- 1 - The Fonz

[Starbuck]

So RC broke his streak of being on every single lynch when he didn't vote for Fate. Let's also mention that RC lynched 4 townies, but was not on the lynch for scum.

Pokerface and Iam didn't break their streaks. Although Iam kept up his tradition of being either the 1st or 2nd on the lynch.


I'm still damn sure that RC wrote up that huge post condemning me once he saw me put Fate at L-1 because he was trying to save his buddy.


My vote will be going to RC, but I will hold off until more people have checked in.

[Starbuck]

I forgot to highlight Fate in red when he is being voted for on Day 2 and 3.

[Starbuck]

Also to Fonz, if I was playing the "snarky condescending bitch" which I'm really not in this game at all. You would definitely know.

Yeah, there's a bit of sarcasm in my posts, but I'm not being snarky, condescending or bitchy.

[Starbuck]

I know she's firmly against bussing as a policy.

That isn't true, and there you go misrepresenting me some more.

My guess is that you are referring to TWD, which was a different situation altogether.

I know that this answer isn't going to make me look good, but you are completely wrong in that statement.

Actually, come to think of it, it may make more sense as Starbuck because that would give a logical reason for her shoddy play. She has just been uncomfortable for a majority of her time here because Fate twisted her arm to do some bussing strategy. In other words, she's dreaded having to post knowing that she was "supposed" to go at it with her buddy.

I mean, it's up to y'all. I'll go either of them first. I personally think it's Fonz if only because I had a much stronger scumread on Antihero than I did (for most of) the game against Starbuck's slot (yesterday notwithstanding because Starbuck was playing deliberately anti-town regardless of her alignment).

Again, you are wrong. I replaced into a VT slot, which is the most commonly replaced slot in most large games. You are completely wrong in your read of me and straw-manning more bullshit together to try and frame me.

You are trying to use TWD, which was a completely different fucking situation, against me and you aren't going to win. You have barely played with me and do not know my meta at all here.

I was not deliberately playing anti-town. I was trying a different way of play this time when replacing in. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for the best, but I did help get the first scum lynch of the game that you, my friend, WERE NOT ON.

You just seem like you are trying to make up for your Fate defense from all day yesterday.

[Starbuck]

And Fonz couldn't even get off the fence long enough to even come up with a decent case against me or Fate all day yesterday.

[Starbuck]

I know that it doesn't make RC scum, but I am going to tell him that he is wrong when he is wrong. Like when he said that I was trying to paint my play in a positive light when I absolutely was not.

The same, now, when he says I'm uncomfortable bussing. I know he's referring to TWD (The Walking Dead) when I was recruited to the cult and the cult did not have daytalk. Therefore, I couldn't talk to my teammates about a better plan rather than bussing me. I did out my cult leader and that's my cross to bear, but that was a different situation altogether due to chesskid's abrasive and nasty attitude. So I can see why he'd want to use that against me, but he's fucking wrong because of two things: I am not scum and I have bussed before, but I guess he cannot even give my wiki a look to see that. Instead he wants to strawman together a bullshit fucking case, when we need to be scumhunting (which he has failed to do all damn game, i.e. all the lynches that flipped town and the fact that he wasn't on yesterday's scum lynch and was defending Fate til the bitter end).

[Starbuck]

Still a VT, way to fail guys.

[Starbuck]

Zazie syndrome?

[Starbuck]

But what if Iam isn't the scum? Then your plan is faulted.

Shouldn't have lynched until everyone checked in, that's why I didn't vote yet.

[Starbuck]

Quicklynches this late in the game are scummy as fuck.

[Starbuck]

Game isn't over. You'll see that when the mod flips me as VT.

[Starbuck]

I think town should be looking at Fonz. He didn't take a stance either way (on me or Fate) yesterday. He fence-sat. Fate and I sat at L-1 for a really long time and he couldn't man up to it.

[Starbuck]

I'm not complaining in the least btw. I'm just informing you that the game is not over and if you are town, you shouldn't be conceding to the scum as it seems like you are doing.

[Starbuck]

How do you know RC is going to vig you? What if he's blocked like he said he was last night?

[Starbuck]

If Iam is the cop and RC is the vig and I have a town read on Poker, than the only scum left is you, Fonz.

[Starbuck]

Unless Iam or RC are completely lying about their roles.

[Starbuck]

You also must know that I am not scum because you know that you have to use your ability tonight because you lynched a townie right now and hence, the game is not over.

[Starbuck]

Yesterday, you said Fate and I were both town and you were wrong.

[Starbuck]

Fate is proven scum and I will soon be proven town (as soon as the mod gets back and makes an end of day post).

[Starbuck]

Well, in any case, you all will be wrong once the mod comes in and shows my flip. Have a good rest of the game and my fellow townies, I hope you can pull off this win.

[Starbuck]

I suspected Iam and was told that I was stupid for doing so by RC. Guess I wasn't so stupid huh?

[Starbuck]

You suspected literally everybody, including the confirmed vig, so.

I didn't suspect Poker.


My head wasn't here towards the end anyways. I've been dealing with checking out of my command here in Italy, packing out my house, and wrapping up things here so that I can go back to the States.

[Starbuck]

I cross-replaced. Couldn't do it to KK, so I tried a different way and found that it wasn't the best way, but I was able to pinpoint Iam (even if I was told I was stupid for suspecting a claimed cop).

I suspected a claimed cop in a past game and that guy turned out to be scum. It also got exhausting trying to deal with RC and his asinine reasonings.

[Starbuck]

You always seemed to have at least one of RC and me above Iam, Starbuck. At no point did you have him at number one.

No, I didn't, but I never said he was my number one to begin with.

Your fencesitting didn't help this town at all either. You and RC (both) weren't on the one scum lynch during this game.

[Starbuck]

I don't think you're stupid. I never have and do not plan to ever call you stupid. I really wish you hadn't have joined this game because I think I've told you very firmly that I do not wish to play Mafia with you for the foreseeable future. I was extremely disappointed that you decided to replace into this game (let alone play it the way that you did).

I replaced in because KK cross-replaced into a game that I was back up modding. If you didn't wish me to be here, you should have said something to KK and Stepho could have replaced in instead.

I wanted to try a different way of playing when I replaced in and it's obvious that it didn't work at all. I apologize to the town for this, but I know I'm not the only one who likes to try out new things.

I never want to take away from the enjoyability of the game in the respect that you didn't want me here. Again, I wish you had said something to KK and Stepho could have replaced in instead of me. I see that I pretty much ruined whatever reputation I have because of TWD (your case showed that blatantly) and maybe I just need to stop playing mafia all together.

[Starbuck]

All I ask RC is to give me a fair chance when I'm not replacing into an 80+ page game.

If its not your style, why did you bring it up in the first place? You made me feel like absolute crap. You even implied that I was doing the same thing as TWD and used it as a case. I apologize for trying a different playstyle, but is this game and TWD the only games you ever played with me? If so, I ask that you take a look at my Wiki and read through games before TWD.

If me replacing in bothered you this much, again, you should have said something whether it was your style or not. I gave up on blacklists. I'll even play with chesskid again because as you said its just a forum game. Holding grudges over a game on the internet is a waste of time and energy. I'm going to sign up for whatever games I want to play regardless.

All I'm trying to say is to not judge my 2 years of playing by 2 games.

[Starbuck]

I never said that I wasn't going to contribute. I did contribute in my own way because I wanted to try something different.

It was one fucking game and it's not like either of you were voting for username either. Hell, you both were pretty well pushing that he was town.

I never said that I was going to be as antitown as possible. What you need to do is to stop putting words in my mouth that never came out of it.