Mini 1176: Dexter Season 2 (Game Over) Who Won?

[VP Baltar]

I don't want to actively find Dexter or Rita and join town in case you guys suck. I'm thinking the mod's idea behind my role is that I can instantly lose as survivor, unless I put forth the effort to join town via my action. I'm still interested in playing as normal.

I don't really see any other way to interpret this.

Unvote, Vote: Budja

[Budja]

You don't?
It does lean towards your theory but its not really that obvious.

[Juls]

Official Vote Count

[5]

Budja

(Debonair Danny DiPietro, tanstalas, Locke Lamora, Amrun, VP Baltar)

[4]

SocioPath

(Hinduragi, Sotty7, LynchMePls, Kise)

[2]

Kise

(SocioPath, Budja)

[1]

tanstalas

(farside22)

[1]

LynchMePls

(Kid Know Nothing)

[0]

Kid Know Nothing

()

[0]

Hinduragi

()

[0]

Sotty7

()

[0]

Amrun

()

[0]

Locke Lamora

()

[0]

VP Baltar

()

[0]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( )

[0]

farside22

( )

Not Voting :

Votes needed for arrest :

7

Deadline for Day 1:

(expired on 2011-06-14 16:45:00)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I don't want to actively find Dexter or Rita and join town in case you guys suck. I'm thinking the mod's idea behind my role is that I can instantly lose as survivor, unless I put forth the effort to join town via my action. I'm still interested in playing as normal.

I don't really see any other way to interpret this.

Nah, I can certainly read it the other way or that he's completely fabricating what you're suggesting to help his town cred. Completely irrelevant though because we're not wasting a D1 lynch on a survivor.

[VP Baltar]

Well, I mean there is obviously the point that he could be fabricating the whole thing, but if you think he's a survivor I just don't see why you'd want to lynch him.

[farside22]

@farside - You claim Hinduragi is floating by, what are your feelings on Kise this game this far?

Kise is invisible. His first few post I felt good, now he's all but disappeared.

And what do you mean by saying I am putting words in Budja's mouth?

See this quote

@DDD, point taken. I have been a bit slack.

Still, I see no reason to change my vote, or view.
Tans's voting has been bad, and I am not argueing about the validity of the reasons. That has been covered way too much already. I got nothing new to add, but I highlight that the important part is that most of his votes are weak and come after previous pressure,

whether his votes are valid or not is irrelevant

.

Socio looks provocative rather than scummy.
If you like the Tans wagon, why direct attention to youself now Socio?

Why would it be irrelevant? You say you are basically voting me because my votes are bad then say the validity of them are irrelevant?

Unvote
Vote: Budja

This is putting words in someone's mouth. You even bolded one part and ignored most of the post.
He states in the post he's not arguing about the validity but you say he is voting you because the validity of the vote is irrelevant. That was not his point and I believe you knew that.

Can you clarify this for me? Do you mean they are just parroting other people's reasonings or are actually coming up with other cases on people that other people have missed?

No your reason for voting Amrun was not the same as sotty. I made a case on you, you put me as scum with others for no reason. Do you find my case and comments (except the Amrun point) invalid?

@farside - Please give me your definition of tunneling . Thanks

Focusing on one player more then any other player for most of the day. What's yours?


DDD: So what do you see that is scummy from Budja?

So I answered my own question a bit reading back:

You got it wrong Baltar, the correct guess was...

VOTE: Budja

It's going to take too long if I keep waiting for him to do something scummy. Given two mediocre wagons I'm looking for the limpest, lamest vote in them and that's Budja in my book. His reasons are weak and seem perfunctory and it looks like he's coasting on an early wagon. Dubious old half-meta also says he was a lot more active in Dexter S1 as town than he is so far here.

Then I looked into Budja again

Did Budja give a reason for his vote? You called it the weakest reason, but hell I never even saw a reason for his vote. So why is Budja called out and not Kise?
Then you mention meta. Okay fair enough. I know I'm not as active as I once was. Have you ever seen Budja scum before?

I have played with Budja when he was scum and town. I called him as scum both games because he didn't offer much of anything of value either game.
This game if I could explain how I feel would be awesome. How it looks is awful.
No effort, Pushing kise lynch and cutting out information that Kise said about putting forth effort to join town.
Plus sitting on Tans without really explain anything.
Ugh I'm fighting gut over what I see on paper.


I need a few moments to look into somethings that are bothering me.

[LimMePls]

Ok, stupid question. Fair enough.

So one wonders why you asked it.

The whole "you get the point" coupled with a good portion of my posts led to the assumption that was your point. I can't read your mind, it's easier if you just flat out say what you're thinking. Although I doubt you will.

Sorry, I'm not a 3rd grade teacher, I don't hold hands.

@Socio, what makes Kise stand out from the others? I don't see much of a difference between him and the others on your wagon.

Beautiful.
My wagon....it finally has a purpose!

This post and vote and "reasoning" is the scummiest thing in this game so far.
Someone finally surpassed tans when it comes to scumming it up, he can wait til later.
The role/name dropping is only icing on the cake.

Was it useless question day? WTF is this shit Budja, he's already stated this.

Changed my mind, claim Kise.
What makes you worth leaving alive?

Unvote
Vote: Budja

[VP Baltar]

So one wonders why you asked it.

I'll try to be more perfect for you next time, dear. If you're making some sloppy attack to call my fluffy again, you may as well gtfo. Particularly after you're just sheeping other people's reasons to vote AGAIN.

LMP for top vig target 2011!

[Amrun]

Budja's at L-1.

Kise, I still want a nameclaim.

[Kise]

Astor Bennett. @Budja: You do realize your plan is just the same as pushing a mislynch in that you're not getting one step closer to eliminating anti-town? Why is lynching me so crucial that you tell Socio none of his points matter, as if he should drop it and only worry about me > anyone else? @farside: Have you seen the recent developments involving myself? Your latest post reads as though it should have come yesterday.

[Amrun]

Why would Astor be a survivor? Why one child over the other?

[VP Baltar]

It's been awhile since I've seen season two honestly, but it kind of fits because she is more antagonistic toward Rita + Dexter than Cody is in general. Plus outguessing the mod and etc.

[Amrun]

It's been awhile since I've seen season two honestly, but it kind of fits because she is more antagonistic toward Rita + Dexter than Cody is in general. Plus outguessing the mod and etc.

Yeah, I suppose so. But she was never really antagonistic to Rita. Dexter, yes, her mother, no.

I thought Paul would be a better survivor fit. :/ Or even Dexter himself, for s2.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I mean, Astor as survivor for season 5 certainly makes more sense, but I think it could go either way here plus flavor is always open to mod interpretation and general WIFOM.

[Amrun]

Eh, whatever. Not going to disbelieve his survivor claim for that, especially when Budja's scumming himself up over it.

[Kise]

I'm not antagonistic. }:-( ..... Well I don't watch Dexter. Maybe she is. Hi.

[Sotty7]

My gut reaction is to lynch survivor claims but Kise seems to be suggesting he is some kind of finder or something. Plus this is a Dexter game there is bound to be a vig/sk/??? kill floating around. Kise would be a good shot.

VP seems to be fluttering all around like a butterfly but I'm willing to cut him a little slack. He says he is having trouble getting into the game and his little attacks on people have looked like attempts to either get something going or figure something out. However I don't get why budja is scummy for wanting to lynch a survivor, but I would like budja to explain why he went from “don't name claim” to wanting a name claim. That part doesn't quite add up for me.

Farside feels on the outside of everything. For some reason no one seems to be paying her a lot of attention either and it just feels strange to me. I do agree with her most recent post about budja though. He smells like an easy wagon at this point.

I've played with LMP a few times and I've never seen him so sheepy. He's buddying up to me and that tends to be a weak spot of mine. I would really like to see more content from him. I have him null leaning scum right now.

I'm starting to like Amrun as town now. I like how she has been responding to me.

[VP Baltar]

Lynching a claimed survivor D1 is like saying 'hey town, let's waste a mislynch cause this guy is scary.' I don't see how that's town behavior in your opinion, Sotty. Also, what do you mean fluttering around like a butterfly? I mean, I agree I don't have any super strong scum reads, but all of my stuff has been thoroughly explained in thread.

[Sotty7]

Well how you jumped from Socio to LMP in particular. It felt like you were trying to find a footing somewhere. What do you think of Socio now?

Isn't the survivor wincon directly detrimental to a town win? It's one less townie to kill right? We can probably do better for a day one lynch true, but Kise is an excellent vig shot unless he is a finder, who's wincon changes later in the game.

[Locke Lamora]

Sotty: so you don't think Budja is scummy?

VP: do you want Budja lynched? What's your LMP read?

I'm a little concerned that the reason Kise isn't telling us everything is because claiming suits his agenda in a way that's not yet apparent. I don't think worthy of a lynch by any means, though.

[Sotty7]

budja has done a couple of things I don't like, not directly answering questions for example. But I am struggling to see how he is scummy for wanting a Survivor lynch.

[VP Baltar]

I agree that the move from socio to LMP was finding my footing...but I had already said that Socio was more of a feeler vote. LMP was 100% serious and I stick by what I said.

In terms of what I think of socio now, I'd say leaning town, but it's not a strong read by any means. He's participating and answering to his wagon well, imo. I don't think he's the right lynch today out of the leading wagons.

As far as survivor/town wincons/etc., that's kind of moving the goal posts. I'm cool with Kise getting vigged if that's how a potential vig wants to shoot. Point is, he's not a direct threat to the town wincon atm, therefore we should be trying to lynch the scum who are. I think Budja's push on it was fishing for an easy mislynch, which he sand danced away from when I called him on it.

p.edit - I'd be cool with a Budja lynch. LMP looks like scum to me as well.

[Amrun]

budja has done a couple of things I don't like, not directly answering questions for example. But I am struggling to see how he is scummy for wanting a Survivor lynch.

It was how he approached it. It smells of wanting a mislynch. He changed tacts a couple of times.

[Locke Lamora]

Sotty: it's this post in particular that gets me:

Good post, but that's not really important anymore.
From recent revelations it is clear Kise has not been much interested in scum-hunting.

I've been debating with myself over this since my last post but...

unvote, vote Kise

A survivor really isn't good to keep around. Your hearts not in helping the town Kise, and without that your little better than scum yourself.

To me, that really looks like 'hey, here someone who I can legitimately claim is anti-town and allows me to do no scumhunting whatsoever in the process'. It's willingness to settle for a non-scum lynch, and the fact that he apparently knows Kise is not scum. Neither viewpoint looks like town.

VP: but you don't consider either of them particularly strong scum reads?

[LimMePls]

Sotty: it's this post in particular that gets me:

Good post, but that's not really important anymore.
From recent revelations it is clear Kise has not been much interested in scum-hunting.

I've been debating with myself over this since my last post but...

unvote, vote Kise

A survivor really isn't good to keep around. Your hearts not in helping the town Kise, and without that your little better than scum yourself.

To me, that really looks like 'hey, here someone who I can legitimately claim is anti-town and allows me to do no scumhunting whatsoever in the process'. It's willingness to settle for a non-scum lynch, and the fact that he apparently knows Kise is not scum. Neither viewpoint looks like town.

VP: but you don't consider either of them particularly strong scum reads?

Pretty much this and Amrun's 297.