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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:28 am

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Claim vig seems pretty sketch to me. I mean, if I were a vig, I wouldn't claim, because it would guarantee that I get recruited and the scum get a kill.
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:39 am

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Fritzler wrote:Claim vig seems pretty sketch to me. I mean, if I were a vig, I wouldn't claim, because it would guarantee that I get recruited and the scum get a kill.


Fair enough. But since this is true, we can treat him like a claimed SK from tomorrow onwards. The town directs his kills, and if they deviate at all, we lynch his ass the following day.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:48 am

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I support Batt in that governor on xvart. Made sense - xvart was town and game was stagnating ...

NS reaction to it does seem over the top.

@LL - DGB and Batt aren't scum - at least not this day ..

My theories on the game:
- You've already heard my Yos theory. Both recruiters didn't recruit him and are secretly paranoid that the other did. So you can see possible recruitees attacking Yos at least once in the day.
- Each recruit in the game is probably going to be projecting with his scumhunting here. By "projecting" I mean, he will make similar assumptions about the other recruitee. In short, if an player was recruited - he\she would mostly be focusing on similar players with the same experience and playstyle. For example, if I was a recruit, I would focus on players who have been here for a couple of years, don't get lynched that often, post enough so that they don't called for lurking and whose posts generally make sense.

Went through both ISOs - I don't see Magister as a recruit - like to echo the question from Zednek to DGB.

populartajo is scum. 16 posts ..
- Strong Yos paranoia
- Players attacked {Hero, Yos, Spring, Sera, Tan}
- While a townie might try and figure out who's interactions with ABR\Kinetic appear scummy, I see NO reason why the following questions would need to be asked:
recruiters, who of you picked hero and who of you picked yosa?

tanarin, who recruited you?

See town really don't care whose recruit we lynch as long we lynch a recruit. This is poptajo acting like town who's trying to figure things out. But a townie for who's figuring things out - both recruiters are symmetrical and such thoughts won't ever arise.

Unvote. Vote: Tajo


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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:49 am

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*ebwop: But for a townie who's figuring things out ..
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:04 am

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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Fritzler wrote:Claim vig seems pretty sketch to me. I mean, if I were a vig, I wouldn't claim, because it would guarantee that I get recruited and the scum get a kill.


Fair enough. But since this is true, we can treat him like a claimed SK from tomorrow onwards. The town directs his kills, and if they deviate at all, we lynch his ass the following day.

Yes, but see, know I worry about being blocked. Or DGB being protected.

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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:08 am

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Mod: Neither of the Scum Teams start with a factional kill, correct? The only way they gain a kill for their faction is if they recruit a killing role?

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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:41 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:Hey guys

Since I'm going to be vig'ed - why don't you lynch me? Really, being vig'ed is a frikkin' embarrassment. I die at the hands of scum, or I die from a lynch.

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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:46 am

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Ooba: Yeah, Tajo makes a lot of sense as a possible scum recruit here. His whole "let's just ignore the scum" stuff isn't unreasoanble, but the way he's focusing on "ignoring the scum" but then not actually doing anything else other then attacking me for a theory disagreement seems pretty scummy. The arguments he's been using to attack me have been pretty thin anyway; it was basically just the theory disagreement, and him completly misrepresenting my attacks against Cobbler.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:50 am

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Lady- If NS what negative attention was brought to NS? I believe I was the only one who voted him. While everyone was debating whether the role existed, NS was under no heat. You can't say it brought unwanted attention if there was not really any attention brought.

Also, it would be a gamble to recruit him, since 1) he could already be recruited and thus waste a night action or both CRs could go after him, and 2) he would more likely be vigged for town would think he would be recruited as well, so it would be a waste of a recruit.

I don't see why he wouldn't try and act the way he did to feign outrage, as scum.

Also, DGB, you will not be vigged tonight, for I use my second ability:

Bribe: DGB, to NS


There, now anyone attempting to kill DGB tonight will be bribed into killing NS instead of DGB. ;)


But seriously, NS is scum.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:51 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Hey guys

Since I'm going to be vig'ed - why don't you lynch me? Really, being vig'ed is a frikkin' embarrassment. I die at the hands of scum, or I die from a lynch.

DGB


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I don't think you're going to get vigged, but even if you were, we really want to lynch scum today and
wipe out one of the scum groups
. If you are town, which you probably are, this is not going to help the town here.


Hold it.

What do you mean by the bolded?

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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:00 am

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Yos, then let's vote him. Your vote on xvart is wasted now anyway. Or are you waiting for a VC to confirm that?
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:02 am

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Yosarian will be answering my question first. :3
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:03 am

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I think Batt is just making up abilities at this point, but it is pretty hilarious.
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Mod: Neither of the Scum Teams start with a factional kill, correct? The only way they gain a kill for their faction is if they recruit a killing role?

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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:08 am

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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Last Ditch attempt to gain some town cred, DGB?


Last ditch???

I don't believe I have a single vote. I messed up the self-vote before, though.

VOTE: DGB
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:09 am

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Nobody Special wrote:Yes, but see, know I worry about being blocked. Or DGB being protected.

Tell me what to do.


Lynching me solves everything, does it not?
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:14 am

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Battousai wrote:Lady- If NS what negative attention was brought to NS? I believe I was the only one who voted him. While everyone was debating whether the role existed, NS was under no heat. You can't say it brought unwanted attention if there was not really any attention brought.

Also, it would be a gamble to recruit him, since 1) he could already be recruited and thus waste a night action or both CRs could go after him, and 2) he would more likely be vigged for town would think he would be recruited as well, so it would be a waste of a recruit.

I don't see why he wouldn't try and act the way he did to feign outrage, as scum.

Also, DGB, you will not be vigged tonight, for I use my second ability:

Bribe: DGB, to NS


There, now anyone attempting to kill DGB tonight will be bribed into killing NS instead of DGB. ;)


But seriously, NS is scum.



Okay, now you're just making shit up.

unvote

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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:15 am

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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Hey guys

Since I'm going to be vig'ed - why don't you lynch me? Really, being vig'ed is a frikkin' embarrassment. I die at the hands of scum, or I die from a lynch.

DGB


DGB: Please don't do your kamakazi thing this game. It's really not helpful.

I don't think you're going to get vigged, but even if you were, we really want to lynch scum today and
wipe out one of the scum groups
. If you are town, which you probably are, this is not going to help the town here.


Hold it.

What do you mean by the bolded?



This is a white flag game. If the only surviving member of a scum group is the cult leader, the scum group is gone. So, assuming that each cult recruited one person on night 1, if we find and lynch one of those two recruits today, then we wipe out that cult group completely.

We went over this a lot on the earlier pages of the game.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:15 am

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Battousai wrote:
Bribe: DGB, to NS


THANK YOU. I want to die at the hands of scum as usual. It is a badge of honor.

VOTE: xvart
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:15 am

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ooba wrote:Yos, then let's vote him. Your vote on xvart is wasted now anyway. Or are you waiting for a VC to confirm that?


I'm pretty sure batoussi already admitted that his whole "pardon" thing was just a silly gambit and is not actually a role ability.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:16 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Hey guys

Since I'm going to be vig'ed - why don't you lynch me? Really, being vig'ed is a frikkin' embarrassment. I die at the hands of scum, or I die from a lynch.

DGB


DGB: Please don't do your kamakazi thing this game. It's really not helpful.

I don't think you're going to get vigged, but even if you were, we really want to lynch scum today and
wipe out one of the scum groups
. If you are town, which you probably are, this is not going to help the town here.


Hold it.

What do you mean by the bolded?



This is a white flag game. If the only surviving member of a scum group is the cult leader, the scum group is gone.
So, assuming that each cult recruited one person on night 1
, if we find and lynch one of those two recruits today, then we wipe out that cult group completely.

We went over this a lot on the earlier pages of the game.


The bolded was what I was looking for.

I'm interested in why you're making this assumption.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:28 am

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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:33 am

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ooba wrote:populartajo is scum. 16 posts ..
- Strong Yos paranoia
- Players attacked {Hero, Yos, Spring, Sera, Tan}
- While a townie might try and figure out who's interactions with ABR\Kinetic appear scummy, I see NO reason why the following questions would need to be asked:
recruiters, who of you picked hero and who of you picked yosa?

tanarin, who recruited you?

See town really don't care whose recruit we lynch as long we lynch a recruit. This is poptajo acting like town who's trying to figure things out. But a townie for who's figuring things out - both recruiters are symmetrical and such thoughts won't ever arise.

Unvote. Vote: Tajo


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paranoia is a towntell

attacking likely recruited players as the players Im attacking instead of going herp derp with weak choices for recruiters like abr and kin is a towntell. fuck wifom, cult recruiters want to avoid lynched recruiters in the long game too.

those questions I asked were for aesthetic and dramatic intent, obviously not designed to get a valid reaction, which you would realize if you had understood my case against yosarain.

this attack mens you are town, though.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:36 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:Ooba: Yeah, Tajo makes a lot of sense as a possible scum recruit here. His whole "let's just ignore the scum" stuff isn't unreasoanble, but the way he's focusing on "ignoring the scum" but then not actually doing anything else other then attacking me for a theory disagreement seems pretty scummy. The arguments he's been using to attack me have been pretty thin anyway; it was basically just the theory disagreement, and him completly misrepresenting my attacks against Cobbler.

im not only attacking you, MR IMPORTANT

how Im misrepresenting your attacks against Cobbler?
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