Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Kinetic]

That's not what I meant Lambda. Who. Are. You?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: The site hiccup'd. Can you fix mine and Tajo's double posts (or x6, as the case may be)?

Fixed. -Flay

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's not what I meant Lambda. Who. Are. You?

Unsure if I follow. What are you looking for?

[populartajo]

why are we talkign about vigging dgb??

she is townier than town

NS dont be dumb

we should lynch from this pool of suspects: yosarian, spring, hero, tanarin

[Nobody Special]

NS dont be dumb

But I do it

so well.

[Yosarian2]

The bolded was what I was looking for.

I'm interested in why you're making this assumption.

That's what we've all been assuming, seems to make the most sense with the facts we have. Why, what alternate theory are you proposing for the setup?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The bolded was what I was looking for.

I'm interested in why you're making this assumption.

That's what we've all been assuming, seems to make the most sense with the facts we have. Why, what alternate theory are you proposing for the setup?

I'm proposing that one of the two following must be true:

There are no Recruit Immune Roles in this game!

Each Mob Lieutenant recruits more than 1 player pre-game!

Because if both are true, then that would mean that

a mafia faction can lose the game in pre-game, by selecting a recruit immune role.

And there's no way that Flay would make this setup with that possibility in it.

So, one and only one of the two blue truths is true.

And so... which one do you think is more likely? I'm thinking it is the second.

So I'm willing to bet that

each Mob Lieutenant can recruit two people in pre-game!

Do you disagree?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP:

The bolded was what I was looking for.

I'm interested in why you're making this assumption.

That's what we've all been assuming, seems to make the most sense with the facts we have. Why, what alternate theory are you proposing for the setup?

I'm proposing that one of the two following must be true:

There are no Recruit Immune Roles in this game!

Each Mob Lieutenant recruits more than 1 player pre-game!

Because if neither are true, then that would mean that

a mafia faction can lose the game in pre-game, by selecting a recruit immune role.

And there's no way that Flay would make this setup with that possibility in it.

So, one and only one of the two blue truths is true.

And so... which one do you think is more likely? I'm thinking it is the second.

So I'm willing to bet that

each Mob Lieutenant can recruit two people in pre-game!

Do you disagree?

[Yosarian2]

im not only attacking you, MR IMPORTANT

Really.

Name one relevant contribution you've made this game other then attacking me for a mafia theory disagreement, and your odd defense of Cobbler.

how Im misrepresenting your attacks against Cobbler?

You said:

Yosa is acting really weird, supporting the cobbler wagon with a weak argument (the fakeclaim) which is scummy as feck

You described my attack against him as "a weak argument (the fakeclaim)", when what I was actually saying which was a comment that it's incredibly unlikely that a townie unrecruitable would claim unrecruitable with 3 votes on him.

[Yosarian2]

The bolded was what I was looking for.

I'm interested in why you're making this assumption.

That's what we've all been assuming, seems to make the most sense with the facts we have. Why, what alternate theory are you proposing for the setup?

I'm proposing that one of the two following must be true:

There are no Recruit Immune Roles in this game!

Each Mob Lieutenant recruits more than 1 player pre-game!

Because if both are true, then that would mean that

a mafia faction can lose the game in pre-game, by selecting a recruit immune role.

And there's no way that Flay would make this setup with that possibility in it.

It's much more likely that if a scum fails to recruit pre-game (and only if a scum fails to recruit pre-game) that they get another chance. Either that, or the White Flag rules don't apply until there's at least two scum.

The possibility you're talking about can happen about even without unrecrutable roles; what happens if they both target the same person, for example? One of them must fail, and then is that the end of the scum group if that happens night zero?

In any case, there almost has to be some way for scum to fail (either unrecruitable roles, or a cult doc, or something) or else town really can't win even if they lynch right every night. (With a vig, it's theoretically possible, but town probably needs more help then just that.)

(shrug) Your other possibility could be right, but I doubt it. The game is already going to be really, really hard for town to win. It's possible that scum get multiple recruitments on day zero, or a few people started out as recruits or something, but frankly, that just seems unfair.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But that's not right. Because if we go with what you are saying about giving scum another chance to recruit if they miss the first time they are in pre-game, it gives that Mob Lieutenant a wealth of info. They know that either a) That person was recruited to the other team or b)that person is recruit immune.

So in either scenario, that means that the person they just failed to recruit is a permanent enemy of that recruiter, and they know it.

I find it much more likely that each team starts off with 1 mafia who is already pre-recruited for them, AND they get a recruit in pre-game.

[Magister Ludi]

I also want people to comment on what people would have happend should ABR and Kinetic both picked the same person N1. Would one faction auto-lose?

If they simply repick, it would be fine. Is this most likely course of action?

What if they got two picks? Does anyone think this possible?

I posted this back on page 15 Yos, and you ignored it there (while answering another of my posts). I can only reason that you sit fit to answer Lady's questions now because you have a few votes on you, and don't want to appear unhelpful.

This also fits in with you 'ask questions of CR' that have already been asked and answered. You are just doing generic things you think will make you look town.

Also of note is you ignored my previous post directed towards you. Was that on purpose?

[ooba]

LL, by that logic, a mafia faction can still lose the game in pre-game, by selecting two recruit immune roles?

P-edit: The preselected recruit + recruit choice pregame looks better than the earlier method you suggested[hr]90[/rh]

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As a moderator I can see Flay having these objectives in mind while designing presume so as to not give either recruiter an unfair advantage:
- No recruiter should get info on the other recruiters choice
- No recruiter should get info on recruitment-immune townies

As an addition to that, I will also design a system so that both cults will get a recruit and hence, cannot auto-lose due to the white flag rule.

Here's how I would have done it:
- Ask both of them to send me a list of 3 (or maybe even 5) names as possible recruits that they'd like - one of whom will be recruited into the team. That will be done by random pick after any recruitment-immune roles have been removed.

This satisfies all criteria mentioned above.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ooba, I'm saying that two people got scum role PM's from Flay. They were already scum with the Recruiters. They were not recruited.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But I see what you're saying Ooba. That theory satisfies my concerns for now.

[Magister Ludi]

I just want to again this series of events surrounds Yos's Questioning of the Cult Recruiters. I hate quotes, but I think it is nesessary for this:

Post Number 259

Plus, hell, maybe he can help us scumhunt for Kintetic's recruit.

Albert, who do you think Kinetic would recruit night zero?

Kinetic, who do you think Albert would recruit night zero?

Flashback:

Post Number 92

ABR, you have just as much incentive to want to stop Kinetic cult as town does. Who do you think the five strongest players in this game are, and which ones would kinetic possibly pick?

Post Number 112

I for one went through the posting history of every player I wasn't familiar with. I've documented the promising ones extensively when I was approached with the possibility of being lieutenant, before the game thread was even up.

This makes your plan a waste of time.

For the sake of the agreement we had, I will nominate Fritzler, Chronopie and ThAdmiral for yours.

Post Number 106

I'm going to go with:

Fritz
DGB
and either Chronpie or Yos, leaning toward Yos right now

As your [ABR] first recruit. Reasoning after your three.

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Post Number 92

ABR, you have just as much incentive to want to stop Kinetic cult as town does. Who do you think the five strongest players in this game are, and which ones would kinetic possibly pick?

Post Number 374

Of course I read what happened back on page 4. It's kind of insulting that you think I didn't.

[Well you didn't]

That's not actually the question I was asking,

[yes it was]

though, and if they had answered the question, I think it would have been a big help to the town.

[and they did.]

This shows pretty clearly that Yos isn't reading the game which he said he was, but thats not the biggest problem (though it is a problem). The fact is that he's incorporating emotion into his posts, talk of 'quitting' 'being insulted' and other such things. It appears to me that he is using it to make himself appear to be the 'good-guy' and so no one lynches him.

[Zdenek]

Really? How about you go read CYS: A Monument of Sins and get back to me on that, ok~?

I'm not going to argue that I played well, but considering that you spent the game spamming the thread, leading the town from reasonable lynches to terrible ones and didn't vote scum once the entire game, I don't think yours was anything to be proud of.

However, your argument against Battousai is reasonable.

I don't find Ooba's argument against Tajo convincing, he's attacking a group of players that are probably amongst the most likely recruits and the fact that he is part of that group isn't really a good reason to think that he is scum.

Unvote
Vote Battousai

[Yosarian2]

This shows pretty clearly that Yos isn't reading the game which he said he was, but thats not the biggest problem (though it is a problem).

I've already responded to that, ML. You obviously aren't reading my posts. Either that, or you just don't care about the actual answer to your questions, you're just trying to stir up some BS.

The fact is that he's incorporating emotion into his posts, talk of 'quitting' 'being insulted' and other such things. It appears to me that he is using it to make himself appear to be the 'good-guy' and so no one lynches him.

So, what; I tell the truth and that makes me scum?

Of course I'm insulted when someone accuses me of not reading the game. I don't know how you could actually think that at this point. And as for the rest, you're taking the rest of it out of context, probably deliberately so; I never threatened to quit this game or whatever you're talking about, I just mentioned the frequency I get lynched in order to counter a false meta-argument someone used to attack me.

I'm really starting to run out of patience with you just repeating the same BS over and over again to attack me even when you have to know that you're wrong, when you should be actually scumhunting.

[Yosarian2]

Ooba, I'm saying that two people got scum role PM's from Flay. They were already scum with the Recruiters. They were not recruited.

If each scum groups starts with two members, and then gets another one each day, while the town can only lynch one person a day, how could town possibly win?

[bvoigt]

Ooba, I'm saying that two people got scum role PM's from Flay. They were already scum with the Recruiters. They were not recruited.

If this is the case, then we can't let Cobbler off the hook just for being a newbie.

[bvoigt]

It also explains why he would fakeclaim, if he didn't ever have a town role.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ooba, I'm saying that two people got scum role PM's from Flay. They were already scum with the Recruiters. They were not recruited.

If each scum groups starts with two members, and then gets another one each day, while the town can only lynch one person a day, how could town possibly win?

That was my issue aswell.

But the problem still applies with 1 recruit per day. Each team recruits 1. If town mislynches, they're fucked.

Even if town correctly lynched, there's still another cult team, and they have 2 members now. So same problem.

I'm justifying it with lots of vigs and recruit immune roles?

[DrippingGoofball]

If each scum groups starts with two members, and then gets another one each day, while the town can only lynch one person a day, how could town possibly win?

I know, right? LLD is smoking crack.

The point of the game, as explained by Flay, is to play with meta. If there is a mod-selected member, it defeats the whole purpose.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If each scum groups starts with two members, and then gets another one each day, while the town can only lynch one person a day, how could town possibly win?

I know, right? LLD is smoking crack.

The point of the game, as explained by Flay, is to play with meta. If there is a mod-selected member, it defeats the whole purpose.

First off, it's RNG selected.

Secondly, how does it ruin the purpose? It just means there's another scum you gotta hunt.

Though, like Ooba's theory.

[Porochaz]

why are we talkign about vigging dgb??

she is townier than town

NS dont be dumb

we should lynch from this pool of suspects: yosarian, spring, hero, tanarin

Yes, yes, dont see it, no.

try Lady Lambda, who has not really posted much likable since she joined.