Open 309 - Fire and Ice [Game Over]

[Cirno]

Official Vote Count as of post #425

Hiraki (4)- Toro Kcdaspot MehPlusRawr Alduskkel
Toro (3)- Hiraki Nikanor Empking
Kcdaspot (1)- Amor

Not Voting (2)- projectmatt silavor

The deadline for Day 2 is Sunday, June 19, 2011 at 1:34:26 AM.
If no player is lynched by that time, a no lynch will occur.

With

10

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

[Amor]

*prepares to have shit raped*

[silavor]

Finished rereading. Kcda is extremely scummy once you know Robo (ugh) and YYG are town. He doesn't push for things, he just lets the town do whatever and goes with the flow. TL;DR see Amor's post.

Vote:Kcdaspot

[Nikanor]

My problem is that you're aware of the oddities that having multiple scum groups creates, but ignore the fact that terrible cases should be nulltells since both scum and town have motivation to build up strong cases against scum.

You're wrong. Scum have motivation to build any kind of case against people who aren't them.

I don't really think that Kcda is scum.

[Hiraki]

Actually, I don't have everything figured out.

I made a mistake about something which cripples my case.

I feel stupid.

[Toro]

My problem is that you're aware of the oddities that having multiple scum groups creates, but ignore the fact that terrible cases should be nulltells since both scum and town have motivation to build up strong cases against scum.

You're wrong. Scum have motivation to build any kind of case against people who aren't them.

I don't really think that Kcda is scum.

Actually Alduskkel is right, with two scum factions one will always be trying to take out the other. It's not as if they're plotting together to eliminate all of the town, I guarentee they're more focused on eliminating eachother first. Think of it, Fire/Ice would always be trying to eliminate Ice/Fire so they can decrease the chances of getting NK'd themselves at night.

PEdit: What was your case on Hiraki?

[silavor]

Nikanor, what about Toro's case makes you think he's scum?

[Kcdaspot]

I never called matt town.

null-scummish for me.

also this is my longest post, and it's completely game related.

[Kcdaspot]

srsly, iso me and search for the word town.

I never mention matt as town. just stupid. did you think i was implying?

[Amor]

People need to post moar.

I never called matt town.

null-scummish for me.

also this is my longest post, and it's completely game related.

This is the post I got most of the matt stuff from (emphasis mine):

really a dumbass mistake more than anything. in retrospect does not outweigh roboscum AT ALL.

generally when that happens (i assume) simply quick lynch the scum w/o telling them what's wrong if and ONLY if they make a strong town tell of some sort or claim a pr. if they do make a town tell or if the wagon moves too fast you can use this as levarge for finding more scum may it be partners or other scummy folk, the other team in this case. what matt did was put the brakes on that. and well.

back at page 2, it was scummy. now? more of a VI - null tell if anything.

This is kind of another instance of "I/he didn't say town, just not scum." As the highlighted portions show, you're still advancing the idea that Matt's stupid and not scum, which is what I found suspicious. It doesn't really matter if you call the read null or town, you're still not gonna vote for the guy.

And my apologies, your longest post is about how people should shut up and lynch somebody already. You're not really helping your case here. Really, this kind of nitpicky response just seals the deal for me.

[Empking]

Projectmatt Vote somebody in your next post.

[Hiraki]

I'd rather not say anything about what I was going to say, but I will give a case on someone in the next few days. I'm just not in the mood right now nor have that much time to spend.

[Kcdaspot]

People need to post moar.

I never called matt town.

null-scummish for me.

also this is my longest post, and it's completely game related.

This is the post I got most of the matt stuff from (emphasis mine):

really a dumbass mistake more than anything. in retrospect does not outweigh roboscum AT ALL.

generally when that happens (i assume) simply quick lynch the scum w/o telling them what's wrong if and ONLY if they make a strong town tell of some sort or claim a pr. if they do make a town tell or if the wagon moves too fast you can use this as levarge for finding more scum may it be partners or other scummy folk, the other team in this case. what matt did was put the brakes on that. and well.

back at page 2, it was scummy. now? more of a VI - null tell if anything.

This is kind of another instance of "I/he didn't say town, just not scum." As the highlighted portions show, you're still advancing the idea that Matt's stupid and not scum, which is what I found suspicious. It doesn't really matter if you call the read null or town, you're still not gonna vote for the guy.

And my apologies, your longest post is about how people should shut up and lynch somebody already. You're not really helping your case here. Really, this kind of nitpicky response just seals the deal for me.

nice job downplaying.

your arguement is leaning on the basis that i think/thought matt is/was town.

i said VI

VI =/= town

nitpicky how? this IS your case. I could say you were nitpicky in that you managed to put words in my mouth in such a way.

BTW. your null-town. you got decent cases against others, and you're not tunneling

[Alduskkel]

Mafia are NK immune people. Get it right, this is an open game.

I THINK Kcdaspot's "scumminess" can be attributed to his playstyle. Recent town meta

Hiraki, are you going to address the votes against you at all? A defense, maybe?

[silavor]

There's nothing in the rules, the role PMs, or the wiki page to suggest mafia are NK immune. Where're you getting your info?

[Alduskkel]

What??? The old version of the wiki page of the setup notes that they are NK immune. Did this change?

@Mod: Mafia

are

NK immune, right?

[Alduskkel]

PM'd farside. Especially since I'm going to be modding a Fire and Ice.

[Cirno]

What??? The old version of the wiki page of the setup notes that they are NK immune. Did this change?

@Mod: Mafia

are

NK immune, right?

I've seen Fire and Ice done either way.

In this particular game, Mafia

are not

immune to nightkills.

[Alduskkel]

So... no-kill or Doctor protection. Probably the latter.

[Empking]

So... no-kill or Doctor protection. Probably the latter.

Or (unlikely I'd say unless YoYo claimed and I missed it) both targetted the same player. Its pretty useless whatever it was though.

[Kcdaspot]

Mafia are NK immune people. Get it right, this is an open game.

I THINK Kcdaspot's "scumminess" can be attributed to his playstyle. Recent town meta

Hiraki, are you going to address the votes against you at all? A defense, maybe?

ald... i was scum in that game.

[Amor]

nice job downplaying.

your arguement is leaning on the basis that i think/thought matt is/was town.

i said VI

VI =/= town

nitpicky how? this IS your case. I could say you were nitpicky in that you managed to put words in my mouth in such a way.

BTW. your null-town. you got decent cases against others, and you're not tunneling

Actually, I think you're scum because of your active lurking and bandwagonning. The matt thing was just something that looked like distancing I thought was worth pointing out. That you chose to focus mostly only on the part involving matt (which is what I was referring to as nit-picky) just adds further suspicion.

Or (unlikely I'd say unless YoYo claimed and I missed it) both targetted the same player. Its pretty useless whatever it was though.

If both mafia target the same person there's a no kill.

Also, your posts today have now consisted of two votes without explanation, nightkill speculation, and bugging a player who's V/LA to vote. Wow.

[Empking]

Or (unlikely I'd say unless YoYo claimed and I missed it) both targetted the same player. Its pretty useless whatever it was though.

If both mafia target the same person there's a no kill.

Ah yes.

Also, your posts today have now consisted of two votes without explanation, nightkill speculation, and bugging a player who's V/LA to vote. Wow.

This is a lie.

[Cirno]

Boss says kills should be distinguishable from one another. As such, from here on nightkills will be color coded, blue for ice, red for fire. Night 1 kill has been updated to reflect this.

YoYoGuy435,

Doctor

, has been killed!

[Alduskkel]

Sorry, I figured green text = town, so that's why I thought you were town in that game, Kcda.

In that case, can you link me to your most recent completed town game?