Open 309 - Fire and Ice [Game Over]

[Toro]

FFS.

Toro dies tomorrow.

Apparently I have to use all caps because it keeps falling on deaf ears, YOU HAVE NEVER DEFENDED EMPKING NOR HAVE YOU EVER ATTEMPTED TO.

[silavor]

YOU [Hiraki] HAVE NEVER DEFENDED EMPKING NOR HAVE YOU EVER ATTEMPTED TO.

waitwut

[Toro]

YOU [Hiraki] HAVE NEVER DEFENDED EMPKING NOR HAVE YOU EVER ATTEMPTED TO.

waitwut

For a guy who's been adamantly calling out Empking as town, he's only claimed that this is his normal town meta, which you disproved. That has been the only time I have

ever

seen Hiraki try to defend Emp. Other then that he's done nothing.

[MehPlusRawr]

He hasn't

defended

empking, he's just said "FUCK YOU GUYS EMP IS TOWN."

[Toro]

He hasn't

defended

empking, he's just said "FUCK YOU GUYS EMP IS TOWN."

Exactly. If he claims he's town he should prove it, he hasn't and that's a fact.

[Toro]

He hasn't

defended

empking, he's just said "FUCK YOU GUYS EMP IS TOWN."

Exactly. If Hiraki claims Empking's town Hiraki should prove it, Hiraki hasn't and that's a fact.

Edited quote to avoid confusion.

[projectmatt]

His lynch is inevitable anyway, but just in case SOME PEOPLE -cough hikari and kdca cough- have failed to notice Empking's odd playing style today, here are some prime examples.


Empking is called out for posting filler and just making bad posts in general. His response:

This is a lie.

...O-okay. Empking never really elaborates on why it's a lie, or calls the person who he believes is making stuff up about him out, but his next post, he proceeds to vote me:

Unvote

Vote: PM - Pointing out bad play wrt Hikari rather than scummy play

I pointed out things from Hikari and people who have sheeped Hikari that felt like scumtells, but what's funny is empking calls it "poor play". Protecting Hikari is fine, if you think he is town, but Empking has TWICE voted somebody just because they have attacked or made a case opposing Hikari - not because they actually made scumtells.

Yes his active lurking warranted the vote. You find active lurking a null tell or town tell?

WHERE.

Alright, there are two kinds of lurking in the game of mafia, allow me to define them for you:

Lurking:

Not contributing or speaking in the first place. posting only to avoid prods. lack of interest in the game.

Active lurking:

Saying a lot but never giving anything of substantial value. "yeah what he said, i agree, i fos him". Those kind of things are what I've always defined of active lurking. At the time empking had voted me, I had made one (if you don't mind me saying) loaded with content post that entire day. I guess you could say I was lurking, if anything, but active lurking? The accusation came from absolutely nowhere. I see excuses.

And, in another poor attempt to justify his voting, he LATER says:

Also, my second vote included reasoning. You may disagree with it but its quite clearly got my reasoning for it. To help us not go the Hikari route. GTherefore Amor and MPR are both lying when they claim it did not include reasoning.

..So did you vote me for active lurking, for pointing out non-scummy things, or just to get the Hikari BW out of our minds?

And, one more thing to quote, which I don't even feel I have to elaborate why it's a scumtell:

Can I point out how fast my wagon has grown. Its totally a scum wagon (Not saying I'm town because it could be due to bussing.)

Essentially, what I'm seeing from Empking is a lack of consistent reasoning, poor reasoning when he tries to use it, and amazingly weird attempts to divert the lynch from Hikari. God dammit, if you think Hikari is town then TELL US WHY. Flailing your arms and randomly accusing to divert suspicion is one of the worst things you can do.

[Hiraki]

why am I supposed to defend someone else?

You'd accuse me to be his buddy for defending him.

And you know that.

Toro.

I will make sure you die tomorrow.

Regardless of what Empking flips, even though it will be town.

(loluknothatbecuzurscum)

[Toro]

why am I supposed to defend someone else?

You'd accuse me to be his buddy for defending him.

And you know that.

For God's sake, let me rephrase it

again.

How is Empking town? How Hiraki? How!?

Toro.

I will make sure you die tomorrow.

Regardless of what Empking flips, even though it will be town.

(loluknothatbecuzurscum)

If I were scum how would I know Emp would flip town? Why couldn't Emp flip the other scumteam?

[Hiraki]

I'm going to let him flip.

And then let the room become silent.

Then we'll see how he's town.

[Toro]

I'm going to let him flip.

And then let the room become silent.

Then we'll see how he's town.

No, if he's town and you knew he was town this whole time you should've posted evidence that could've prevented his lynch. He hasn't played like a townie this whole game, now post your proof. You remaining silent suggests that you don't have proof that he's town, you just flailing your arms proclaiming he's town isn't helping you at all.

[Hiraki]

not really.

He was at L-3.

FFS.

Toro dies tomorrow.

Lynch happens, after Toro hammer.

hmmzorz.

wonder why I didn't bother in trying to defend him at the moment.

Or y'know.

Why he didn't.

FFS. Empking didn't even claim did he?

[Toro]

not really.

He was at L-3.

FFS.

Toro dies tomorrow.

Lynch happens, after Toro hammer.

hmmzorz.

wonder why I didn't bother in trying to defend him at the moment.

Or y'know.

Why he didn't.

FFS. Empking didn't even claim did he?

You've still never bothered to defend him while the pressure on him was building up, why?

[Hiraki]

BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK EMPKING WAS ACTUALLY SEEN AS SCUMMY.

THIS SEEMED LIKE A PRESSURE WAGON AT BEST.

BESIDES, IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS DOING ANYTHING ELSE OR ANYTHING.

GOSH TORO.

MAYBE I SHOULD GO DEFEND THE DEAD PLAYERS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DEAD.

[Toro]

Still doesn't change the fact that you haven't provided a reason why you think he's town, you're just flailing your arms proclaiming him town and calling everyone idiots who doesn't think what you think.

[silavor]

FFS. Empking didn't even claim did he?

Lol'ed.

[silavor]

Ok I guess I should clarify. The doctor's dead. Our only power role is dead.

WHAT'S THE POINT IN CLAIMING?

[Hiraki]

Touche, I thought that Fire and Ice had a Cop for some reason.

[Toro]

Ok I guess I should clarify. The doctor's dead. Our only power role is dead.

WHAT'S THE POINT IN CLAIMING?

/nod

[Nikanor]

Okay guys.
I don't have much time, because I have to catch a bus, but Hiraki is obvtown and shouldn't be lynched.
Toro is scum. We should be lynching him. Why Hiraki has more votes is beyond me.
Hiraki's switching off of Robo at the last second is megatown ffs.
I will be V/LA for a couple of days, but I really hope you lynch Toro.
Bye for now.

[Toro]

Once again you don't have reasons, provide them when you get back.

[Nikanor]

NEVER.

[silavor]

Okay guys.
I don't have much time, because I have to catch a bus, but Hiraki is obvtown and shouldn't be lynched.
Toro is scum. We should be lynching him. Why Hiraki has more votes is beyond me.
Hiraki's switching off of Robo at the last second is megatown ffs.
I will be V/LA for a couple of days, but I really hope you lynch Toro.
Bye for now.

what-

and then-

but why-

How is switching off at the last second town? It's scummy in any other game, null-scummy here because of the dual scum teams. There's nothing obvtown or megatown about it.

[Nikanor]

How is switching off at the last second town? It's scummy in any other game, null-scummy here because of the dual scum teams. There's nothing obvtown or megatown about it.

How the hell is jumping OFF of a well-established wagon on town scummy? I thought that staying ON the wagon with poor reasoning was scummy.
He jumped off the wagon (that was on a townie) and gave a decent reason for why he was doing it. He even made a case that caused at least two people to jump onto the Robo wagon. It would have been easy for him, as scum, to ride the wagon to a lynch. He did the hard thing, so he's town.

[Toro]

How is switching off at the last second town? It's scummy in any other game, null-scummy here because of the dual scum teams. There's nothing obvtown or megatown about it.

How the hell is jumping OFF of a well-established wagon on town scummy? I thought that staying ON the wagon with poor reasoning was scummy.
He jumped off the wagon (that was on a townie) and gave a decent reason for why he was doing it. He even made a case that caused at least two people to jump onto the Robo wagon. It would have been easy for him, as scum, to ride the wagon to a lynch. He did the hard thing, so he's town.

Strongly disagree. From the way he did it it sounded as if he tried distancing himself from the wagon so it appeared that he had a premonition about Robo being town and he was right about it, and don't forget he did this with really cruddy reasoning.