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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:53 am

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silavor wrote:Toro's misrepping

Scratch that. Apparently I just fail at reading and comprehension. When Toro and Hiraki were back-and-forthing about Hiraki's unvote of Robo, I thought Toro's wording was implying Hiraki did something that he clearly didn't do, but after another reread I realized I was just misinterpreting Toro. Sorry about that.

Hiraki's looking super scummy though. One of the key pieces being Hiraki's "scum dun get second wind, and robo just got a second wind, obviously making robo town. Mkay, gonna hammer robo now" thing.
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:38 am

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I really don't see Hiraki as scum because of that, though. Scum would have no reason to bail on a wagon last minute and then go back and hammer when they could coast until lynch without attracting much flack. So Hiraki really just strikes me as skittish town.

projectmatt wrote:I tried to pressure or get a towntell coming from Hikari by questioning him about time, I, by no means had made it an excuse to BW. I don't even feel comfortable lynching either of these two today, I have other targets, but if the entire rest of you will not be swayed, I'm putting into consideration where my vote will go.


I hate the "I did it for pressure/reactions" excuse, but the rest of this is a fair enough point. And feel free to vote other targets. I might even back you up on a kcda lynch.

projectmatt wrote:Hate this logic that Hikari being town = Toro being scum. Call it buddying, I just don't see it.


This isn't my logic at all. I've been suspicious of Toro for a while now (see my ISO for more information) and his hammer and attempt to push the crap Hiraki wagon just put things over the edge.

The entire Hiraki/Toro wall-fight kind of makes my head spin right now, so I'll have to leave combing over it for gems of enlightenment to later.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:31 am

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silavor wrote:Sorry about that.


All is good.

Amor wrote:I really don't see Hiraki as scum because of that, though. Scum would have no reason to bail on a wagon last minute and then go back and hammer when they could coast until lynch without attracting much flack.


I think you've got blinders pulled over your eyes.

Why would Hiraki hammer someone whom he believed was 100% town (using his second wind logic)? Why not push for an alternative lynch for D1? (Although there was only 2 RL days left)
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:02 am

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Silavor wrote:Hiraki's looking super scummy though. One of the key pieces being Hiraki's "scum dun get second wind, and robo just got a second wind, obviously making robo town. Mkay, gonna hammer robo now" thing.


I don't think you're getting this.

Robo looked like he was going for a Second Wind. I jumped the gun, I said he did get one.

Did he post something after that was in defense? No he didn't.

Therefore, he didn't have a second wind.

He just promised one, but it never came.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:43 am

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Hiraki wrote:
Silavor wrote:Hiraki's looking super scummy though. One of the key pieces being Hiraki's "scum dun get second wind, and robo just got a second wind, obviously making robo town. Mkay, gonna hammer robo now" thing.


I don't think you're getting this.

Robo looked like he was going for a Second Wind. I jumped the gun, I said he did get one.

Did he post something after that was in defense? No he didn't.

Therefore, he didn't have a second wind.

He just promised one, but it never came.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.


Yet only town can proclaim they're going to have a second wind, amirite? I mean you said it so of course it's right, right?
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:09 am

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I never said that town can proclaim.

I just said that it's protown to have a second wind.

"lol u said something extremely similar but not it. scum"

I'm not going to check.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:16 am

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Ugh, this has just gotten repetitive. People other than Toro and Hiraki need to post.

Also, note how Toro didn't really address my argument, just quoted it, said I had blinders, and repeated his mantra about why Hiraki is scummy?
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:43 am

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Amor wrote:Also, note how Toro didn't really address my argument, just quoted it, said I had blinders, and repeated his mantra about why Hiraki is scummy?


Sorry I did not know you were asking for my insight on that. I'll address it now.

I really don't see Hiraki as scum because of that, though. Scum would have no reason to bail on a wagon last minute and then go back and hammer when they could coast until lynch without attracting much flack. So Hiraki really just strikes me as skittish town.


Actually Hiraki's excuse to bail off the wagon at the last second was because Robo claimed he was having a "second wind." How could Hiraki go from 100% scum on Robo to 100% town the next moment based on that reasoning? It makes no sense as a town move. Hiraki could've coasted until lynch yes, but he flipflopped making as much noise as possible doing so. It makes no sense to me why claiming having a second wind can completely flip someone's town/scum judgment.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:49 am

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....

I get the feeling that this is scum v. scum.... but i'm not sure...
A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:49 am

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are we looking at opposing factions?
A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:50 am

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on toro v hiraki i mean.
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:56 am

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Toro.

Are you reading my posts?

Maybe I'll copy you next.

Because I know you're not reading them now.
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:00 am

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Hiraki wrote:Toro.

Are you reading my posts?

Maybe I'll copy you next.

Because I know you're not reading them now.


Yes I read it. You flipped from 100% scum on Robo to 100% town because of something he claimed he was going to do.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:14 am

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And you just don't believe it?
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:17 am

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Hiraki wrote:And you just don't believe it?


Not at all that it was genuine.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:26 am

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I see.

You realize how annoyed you just made me become correct?

How stupid you make me look?

Die.
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:43 am

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Official Vote Count as of post #640


Toro (3)- Hiraki Nikanor Amor
Hiraki (3)- silavor Toro Kcdaspot

Not Voting (3)- MehPlusRawr projectmatt Alduskkel

With
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alive, it takes
5
to lynch.


Alduskkel has been prodded.


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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:34 am

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Hiraki wrote:I see.

You realize how annoyed you just made me become correct?

How stupid you make me look?

Die.

This is town how?
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:40 am

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Because instigation is never townie.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:10 am

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Explain?
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:17 am

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If I make you angry, you will make a bad post.

Even if you don't, the other person is trying to make you pissed off.

While this is a weak tell in some cases, it's a very strong tell in other cases.

Here's one.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:25 am

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I feel like Hikari has been towntelling, and that Toro has towntold earlier in the game but is now just focused on tunneling Hikari. Who do you suspect that isn't Hikari, Toro? We know one of your reads, that's it. I want to see more from you.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:32 am

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projectmatt wrote:I feel like Hikari has been towntelling, and that Toro has towntold earlier in the game but is now just focused on tunneling Hikari. Who do you suspect that isn't Hikari, Toro? We know one of your reads, that's it. I want to see more from you.


Kcdaspot - I'm not completely sold he's scum so far as his meta has turned out to be the same when playing as both town and scum. He has mostly not participated much in scumhunting and seems to be 'going with the flow' at the moment. I'm going to have to completely re-read him in ISO before I can make a final judgment.

Nikanor - Has his play not come across as odd throughout this whole game? He hasn't posted any reasons why I'm scum but conveniently placed himself on my wagon.

Thus far Hiraki, Kcdaspot, and Nikanor are my main three scumspects. With Hiraki head-and-shoulders taking the lead.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:42 am

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Is everyone else null\town?
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:50 am

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Hey guys.

If you really need convincing, compare townToro and scumToro.

townToro is calm and collected. He works like a badass.

scumToro is overly active making sure every single detail is correct.

He also insults more in scumToro than in townToro. It's more of an equal thing though.

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