Neon Genesis Evangelion Mafia (Game Over)

ZeL1nK · Post Post #450 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:58 am

This weekend was really bad for me

Unvote

As scummy as Stevie has been acting, this whole not claiming his role while soft-claiming PR makes me think this is a town-I-don't-want-scum-to-know-my-role thing more than a scum-stalling tactic.

VOTE: drewoftherushes

Updated scum list:

drew - I haven't liked anything he's said so far, his reason for voting stevie seemed weak and forced and the whole temporary unvote to appease SpyreX looked disingenuous.
malthusis - the whole "I think he's town, but I don't care if he's lynched" thing reeks of scum, and.... his vote is still on GI... because of the mason 'claim'...
starbuck - emotional version of drew

I need to look at LC, Ace, Amrun and nocmen in ISO as well. Will be doing this soon.

vollkan · Post Post #451 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:40 am

populartajo wrote:candlejack, volkan, spyrex, ladylambadelta and iec

thoughts of lobster in following post pretty plz

I've disagreed with a few of Lobster's cases/arguments, but null alignment-wise. I don't see the apparently clear case against Lobster

Candle Jack wrote:
malthusis wrote:There's just something about Stevie's playstyle that seems to really clash with playstyle scum should have. Normally scum either stay in the weeds and try to appear inconspicious, or try to appear really pro-town to help manipulate lynches. Stevie seems to have tried to be helpful to the town by trying to making a case on someone, but seemed to trip on his own feet somewhere in saying it. If he was scum, why wouldn't have he just backed away as soon as he started messing up instead of just making more mistakes? He also seems to ignore defending himself, which makes more sense for a townie player then a scum player.

I also have good gut feeling that this is probably a mislynch, but unless Stevie has one hell of a claim (and now, don't do any retarded stalling!) I won't mind him being lynched at all.

Oh right I nearly forgot about this post. And malthusis being in this game in general, which is a bad thing.

Fellow 'Scummers, I played with malthusis-town. I modded malthusis-town. I know malthusis-town. malthusis, you're not malthusis-town.

And that, of course, means that you are scum. Especially given that last sentence (gut town read but wouldn't mind seeing player lynched my foot).

Unvote, Vote: malthusis

How does it not reflect malthusis-town?

Starbuck · Post Post #452 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:54 am

Unvote

I can give Stevie a day to prove himself.

ZeL1nk wrote:starbuck - emotional version of drew

Weak much, dontcha think? Stretching for that third suspect. At least, I was honest enough to say that I really didn't have a third.

So I've taken a look at the activity overview and Amrun is way out in the lead with 53 posts so far and the next one down is Nocmen with 32. I'm going to iso Amrun and re-read her because why (if town) would you need 53 posts to say what you need to say? Unless Amrun is really ZazieR and then that's the end of that.

Mod: Can we have a prods on Surye, GreyICE, Kast, and Celebloki?

GreyICE · Post Post #453 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:19 am

Ooh, LLD is town. This is making my day better and better.

My Stevie vote isn't changing because of a soft-claimed PR.

Need to read more, but we'll role.

P.S. I'm not a mini-Fate. I'm my own brand of pain in the ass

GreyICE · Post Post #454 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:30 am

Starbuck wrote:So I've taken a look at the activity overview and Amrun is way out in the lead with 53 posts so far and the next one down is Nocmen with 32. I'm going to iso Amrun and re-read her because why (if town) would you need 53 posts to say what you need to say? Unless Amrun is really ZazieR and then that's the end of that.

Your theory is that Amrun is scummy for posting... too much?

I... I actually... what is this I don't even

GreyICE · Post Post #455 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:31 am

Of course if we want some more guaranteed scum, Malthusis is soooooooooo bad.

ZeL1nK · Post Post #456 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:34 am

starbuck wrote:Weak much, dontcha think? Stretching for that third suspect. At least, I was honest enough to say that I really didn't have a third.

No, your early posts are all complaining about how Amrun hates you and life is unfair. ISO#11 and ISO#12 are your first real posts of the game and it just looks like fluff disguised in a wall. Since then it's been stevie this, stevie that and the reason your vote was on Stevie was.... because... I am not actually sure why you voted for him. You're an emotional version of drew because I dislike your posts in the same way I dislike drew's posts, but you seem to get really, really upset whenever someone calls you scummy.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #457 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:43 am

Grey, remember what I found between Vi and Seraphim in Bebop?

Drew and Ace.

Starbuck · Post Post #458 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:57 am

ZeL1nK wrote:
starbuck wrote:Weak much, dontcha think? Stretching for that third suspect. At least, I was honest enough to say that I really didn't have a third.

No, your early posts are all complaining about how Amrun hates you and life is unfair. ISO#11 and ISO#12 are your first real posts of the game and it just looks like fluff disguised in a wall. Since then it's been stevie this, stevie that and the reason your vote was on Stevie was.... because... I am not actually sure why you voted for him. You're an emotional version of drew because I dislike your posts in the same way I dislike drew's posts, but you seem to get really, really upset whenever someone calls you scummy.

I never said that Amrun "hates me" or that "life is unfair". That is you putting words in my mouth. That bullshit should have never been brought into this thread and I'm not the only person who thinks so.

I guess you didn't even read my posts?

I really haven't been called scummy yet, so can you show me an example in this game where I got "really, really upset" about it?

I'd love to see you strawman more bullshit together and call it case.

ZeL1nK · Post Post #459 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am

starbuck wrote:I never said that Amrun "hates me" or that "life is unfair".

You're right, you didn't say those exact phrases. My argument has been invalidated.

On a serious note, I actually did get it incorrect that you got upset when called scummy at an earlier stage of the game. It was just you getting upset in general.

Will be doing ISOs I said I'd be doing tomorrow.

Kdub · Post Post #460 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:23 am

Day 1 - Vote Count #18

Amrun (1)

- LobsterCatapult

Kawaii (0)

-

GreyICE (2)

- malthusis, StevieT92

Antifinity (0)

-

Candle Jack (0)

-

populartajo (0)

-

Iecerint (0)

-

Nocmen (2)

- Kast, Antifinity

Surye (0)

-

Celebloki (0)

-

malthusis (2)

- Candle Jack, ace5993

Starbuck (0)

-

ace5993 (0)

-

drewoftherushes (1)

- ZeL1nK

ZeL1nK (0)

-

StevieT92 (5)

- GhostWriter, Pomegranate, GreyICE, drewoftherushes, Lady Lambdadelta

GhostWriter (0)

-

SpyreX (0)

-

Kast (1)

- Surye

vollkan (0)

-

Pomegranate (0)

-

LobsterCatapult (3)

- Amrun, populartajo, Nocmen

Lady Lambdadelta (1)

- Celebloki

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (5)

- Kawaii, Iecerint, SpyreX, vollkan, Starbuck

23 votes available, 12 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is July 18, ~ 10 am PDT

Kast, Surye, and Celbloki have been prodded.

Amrun · Post Post #461 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:02 am

Lobster, when did grey say something about multiscum? Must have missed it.

Also, just because I moved from Nocmen to you without explaining it much doesn't mean it is "opportunistic." It is, in fact, the opposite. I moved from a wagon with three votes to a wagon with none - that you're trying to brand that as opportunistic is laughable, actually, and shows you're totally fabricating your omgus case on me.

I won't explain why I moved, but there is a reason.

Nocmen, I said ace and drew were scummy because of my gut, BUT I definitely have looking at them on my "to-do" list for this game.

Amrun · Post Post #462 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:03 am

Also Lobster's massive fencesit on Stevie is horrible.

GreyICE · Post Post #463 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:07 am

Vote: Malthusis

GreyICE · Post Post #464 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:19 am

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Grey, remember what I found between Vi and Seraphim in Bebop?

Drew and Ace.

Hmm. That was scum vs. 'third party scum' where Vi was playing like scum while Seraphim was just playing like 'not-town.' Having been in another game where I've been on the 'he's not town' side of the 'acting like scum/acting like not-town' debate, I have a good perspective on both.

Okay, I absolutely promise to read them both when I catch up on this game I'm like 10 pages behind on

Celebloki · Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:25 am

Hey all, sorry for the lack of posting. In general I post significantly less on the weekends than I do during the week. But then even last week was light for me.

I'm sad I missed when the stevie wagon was so high and I still believe him to be rather scummy. I'll agree to the general consensus of confirming him for tomorrow however. I have a feeling his Rei claim was still fake however, even after not doing the role claim.

I agree with the cases against LC and Malthusis and I believe applying pressure on either of them will produce good results. Unfortunately I just finished reading over the last 9 or so pages that happened over the weekend and can't remember where any specific posts are but I'll try to recall what I read.

LC wrote:her post 299 really makes me feel like she is scum. i don't like how she is trying to get people on your wagon(which she switched back to you with little explination) and then only a few posts after this, she jumps back on my wagon when i hadnt posted since the last time she responded. this screams opportunistic. its weak reasoning and using CJ as a crutch to vote for me.

For me the most recent is the most telling as Amrun said. LC says Amrun is being oppurtunistic by switching back to her "wagon". Amrun at this point was the only vote on LC. What wagon? So for now I support more LC pressure.

Unvote

Vote: LobsterCatapult

GreyICE · Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:31 am

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
GhostWriter wrote:How could someone counterclaim the nameclaim Rei? Now, I admit, I never really watched the anime.
However, I once played a dating sim based on it
, and I'm pretty sure she's a main character, right?

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

You just made my night~

2nd this this is the greatest quote ever.

@GW: Asuka is actually the main character obv.

GreyICE · Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:41 am

@LLD: Okay, I take back any neutral I had on Drew, ISO #6 and #11 were terrible, and his votes are all weaksauce.

Ace is terrible because of the idea that he was somehow on the Kast wagon while his vote was sitting on SpyreX, and a general lack of care on what he's doing overall. That being said, his scum reads are Kast, Nocmen, Amrun, and Stevie, which are so frighteningly close to what I'm thinking that it's just plain eerie. So he's getting my town badge (or at least my 'not gonna lynch badge') for today.

Man all my town reads have the same scumreads I have, either we're doing something VERY right or VERY wrong. But if Nocmen, Kast, Antifinity, Amrun, Stevie, and Drew live to endgame I'll be sad.

In honor of our lord god SpyreX who got this AMAZING feature implemented, here's the people under 10 posts who are theoretically still playing the game, did not replace in or out, and were not posting out of hydra:

Kawaii 2011-06-26 16:18:23 0 days 21 hours 2
Surye 2011-06-24 12:01:41 3 days 1 hour 2
Celebloki 2011-06-27 13:25:01 0 days 0 hours 4
malthusis 2011-06-26 13:11:48 1 day 0 hours 6
Antifinity 2011-06-27 03:55:50 0 days 9 hours 7

Plox vig from this pool vigs. I

USED

to have a rule not to direct town power, but after two games with hero vigs who thought they could shoot an entire scumteam with their 'wicked readz' and hit nothing but town, I'm so down with telling the vigs to clean up the messes we have to clean up anyway.

SpyreX · Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:48 am

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3165345

That post? Thats another one of those baaad posts of death.

CJ wrote:Why not? Maybe site meta changed during a year's break, but last I checked "don't end the day" tended to be a scum argument. Had a lot to do with extra discussion after a lynch was decided being unproductive and confusing town.

Its not just the "dont end the day" its the fascination with the stevie wagon. I mean saying he deserves to get lynched in conjunction with everything else going on AND the lol reactions AND lol pressure good gravy.

Malth isn't a bad lynch and on paper it looks really good. My gut just churns over some of the other stuff but I see it.

Hey GI: <3

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #469 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:13 am

@SpyreX, GI, Candle Jack, Tajo

Town voting block tiem?

SpyreX · Post Post #470 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:14 am

I dig.

GhostWriter · Post Post #471 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:25 am

Unvote

Barring some real scummy stuff happening, I doubt this is going through. If the claim was enough to make you all back off after how he's been playing, then he's not going to hang today.

However, Ace is looking nice.
VOTE: Ace
Pushes the wagon, never gets on, states it's due to the speed of the wagon, continues on to say it's the best choice for a lynch, and then drops iso post #15. You don't want a speedy lynch, yet you're pulling the "give me good reasons why he shouldn't hang right now" speech

while not on his wagon yourself?

And, yes, I know you didn't literally say that. However that IS what is implied here.

GreyICE · Post Post #472 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:28 am

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:@SpyreX, GI, Candle Jack, Tajo

Town voting block tiem?

Ready to rock and role.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #473 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:35 am

Oh Yeah, I forgot Volkan.

@Volkan: You're invited too~

Nocmen · Post Post #474 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:52 am

Starbuck wrote:
Unvote

I can give Stevie a day to prove himself.

ZeL1nk wrote:starbuck - emotional version of drew

Weak much, dontcha think? Stretching for that third suspect. At least, I was honest enough to say that I really didn't have a third.

So I've taken a look at the activity overview and Amrun is way out in the lead with 53 posts so far and the next one down is Nocmen with 32. I'm going to iso Amrun and re-read her because why (if town) would you need 53 posts to say what you need to say? Unless Amrun is really ZazieR and then that's the end of that.

Mod: Can we have a prods on Surye, GreyICE, Kast, and Celebloki?

As mentioned already, Amrun is contributing and posting consistently. That's not scummy at all. If the posts were meaningless, sure. But what's wrong with a higher post count?

Amrun wrote:

Nocmen, I said ace and drew were scummy because of my gut, BUT I definitely have looking at them on my "to-do" list for this game.

I look forward to that.

With a wagon forming on malth, I'm adding him to do the ISO, which I should hopefully get to tonight with the one on volkan.