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[hiplop]

^ scummy post is scummy.

[Giitah]

Amusingly enough, that's not in place anymore, but why do you say that, Hiplop?

[hiplop]

Not something town would say. Worded in an odd way

[Scumhunter]

giitah, you can claim next (or anyone else really doesnt matter really imo)

[Giitah]

I'm creamy white.
Hiplop?

[hiplop]

vt too

ace?

[pappums rat]

Vote Count 5.1

Not voting - hiplop, ace5993, Valern, Scumhunter, Giitah

With 5 alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 5 is 3 P.M. EST on Wednesday, July 20, 2011.

On a completely non-game related note, I would like to invite everyone to Jason's TV Show Mafia. Jason is a good mod and his games are always fun.

[Heliman]

This Late Bah post is also a shameless plugin: I'm looking for players to join my highly experimental, multi-chatroom mafia game. PM if interested, because 100% of this is off-site and linking my post breaks the guidelines.

[ace5993]

I believe I already claimed but I'm vanilla. Proper post coming soon after re-read/analysis of some stuff.

[Valern]

I'm chocolate, actually.
















>.>

JK, vanilla townie.

[Giitah]

Ace, are you still on vacation?

[Giitah]

Does anybody have any idea what Foil's gambit was supposed to be? I'm interested in some theories now.

[ace5993]

Yes I'm now on music camp until the 16th. I will try to post between now and then it's just that the time between posts will be longer. Still re-reading.

[hiplop]

Music camp would be fun

[Scumhunter]

Does anybody have any idea what Foil's gambit was supposed to be? I'm interested in some theories now.

Let's look at some positives and negatives for naming either a scum partner or a townie as the fictional "mason" partner

Scum partner +'s
-Make sure bob helps push the lynch on d2 away from not just 1 mafia but 2.
-Town may not even auto lynch the "partner" after foil flips (wifom)

Scum partner -'s
-Will draw attention to potential partnering between the 2 to bob's eyes (and others later on potentially)
-Town will look very skeptically on the actions of the fake "mason" partner for the rest of the game.
-Since the gambit requires bob to think foil is town in the first place, why drag another scum into it?? (wifom)

Town partner +'s
-Even if caught, could help ensure a ML later in the game.
-Town may auto-lynch his claimed "partner" (wifom)
-At the very least, town will spend time on said "partner" perhaps letting real scum fly under the radar.

Town partner -'s
Can't think of any...

[Giitah]

In context of the day and timing, Foil naming Ace to be his masonbuddy was some bad screwup gambit from what I can tell. Foil himself said it was a risky gambit of sorts, but what the hell was the motive? I think the best bet would be that Foil was trying to clear himself permanently as a townie.

However, I'm no longer certain if there's anything to glean from Foil's gambit. Was Foil attempting to convince Archaebob he was Town? If so, what was the point of that? I think we can all safely say that Archaebob was too dangerous to live another day, he was basically a confirmed Town player. So when Foil went forward with his claim, was he trying to force everyone to kill someone else, alleviate the suspiscions on him, and then kill Bob after that?

I think the ultimate point of the gambit was to clear Foil in the eyes of Archaebob, claim, get Archaebob to give him a cleared town read, then murder Archaebob afterwards. That being said, the inclusion of Ace was to make his claim seem more believable.

Post 827:

Ignoring all reads and looking at this from a completely neutral 50/50 of each lynch being scum:

However, BA is also the one out of the three I have the town read on.

Wait... what? Everyone: read that quote slowly and get back to me.


Foil why the hell did you claim?

Vote: ace

foil and ace are scum. Well there's our two scum on the Pine wagon.

This pushes me to believe Nintendo was trying to get Ace mislynched. He didn't even present any reasoning as to why Ace and Foil had to be scum, hell, this should have been caught on ages ago. This was prior to Ace claiming he wasn't a mason and Archaebob declaring Foil & Ace were scum. Page 34 if anyone wants to reread with me.

ill hammer sometime tomorrow. Just letting you guys know.

Why wait until tomorrow? ace and foil are obviously both scum together.

Unvote, Vote: foil

Too lazy to check the post number, but here's Nintendo pushing to kill Ace again. For now, I've spun around on Ace being scum and he's back to being a town player again.

Oh, one last quote. This here sounds like it's mostly the scum-Foilist talking.

My history with him warranted it. We have reached the point in the game where archaebob will either cease to suspect me entirely or commit himself to lynching me and whomever he thinks is my scum team. My friendly neighbor ability allows me to talk and confirms me as town. It does not confirm anyone to me. I suppose it's like forming an unconfirmed mason team. As far as him saying he thinks I'm town yesterday, that has absolutely no merit. Archaebob is not exactly a transparent player as you might have guessed. The point in targeting him with my neighbor power was to try and alleviate his suspicions.

That being said, I don't know that archaebob is town. He could very well be scum. Historically I have been bad at determining his alignment.

[hiplop]

there was only scum-foilist

[Giitah]

I meant that I think he revealed at least part of his true intentions behind his gambit in that post.

[Scumhunter]

bob is probably rolling over in his grave if ace is scum and we let him off the hook here. However, giitah, I agree with your interpretation and I actually think it makes ace one of the people I probably

wouldn't

want to lynch today.

I'm getting town vibes off everyone else so...

vote: Valern

[Giitah]

Unfortunately at this point I'm raising eyebrows at everyone I overlooked before, which means the rest of you except Ace aren't looking too great to me. I noted while going through Nintendo's posts ISO that you were the one our resident scum nervously RVS voted for, Scumhunter, so I need to look for more association before I come to a better conclusion. Hiplop, you were the biggest suspect of xvart before he got blatantly accused, and as for Valern, well, nobody has an accurate enough read on you at this point which comes off as pretty scummy to me.

[hiplop]

giitah is scum mebe

[Scumhunter]

Just reread ace, pretty damn sure he is town.

[Valern]

Unfortunately at this point I'm raising eyebrows at everyone I overlooked before, which means the rest of you except Ace aren't looking too great to me. I noted while going through Nintendo's posts ISO that you were the one our resident scum nervously RVS voted for, Scumhunter, so I need to look for more association before I come to a better conclusion. Hiplop, you were the biggest suspect of xvart before he got blatantly accused, and as for Valern, well, nobody has an accurate enough read on you at this point which comes off as pretty scummy to me.

Translation: "Meh, I don't really care who we lynch. YOU'RE ALL SCUMMY TROLOLOL."

FOS:Giitah

and VOTE: Ace

if I haven't done so already -- I think I already explained this but basically I'm sheeping off Bob's case of thinking foilist and Ace were buddies together and the fact that Ace didn't really do anything to confirm or deny it. I mean, hell, if some person was falsely claiming I was their mason buddy, I would raise a racket to get them lynched for obv-lying and trying to get me dragged down with them. But that wasn't what happened iirc. :s

I haven't been around as much as I should be, and for that I apologize, but real life's been keeping me busy. I'll replace out if it gets much worse but for now you're just gonna have to cope.

I should have time monday, if nothing else.

[Giitah]

There was a reason why I asked Ace if he was still on vacation, Valern - he hasn't been around from what I can tell.

And a quick look at your rather feeble posts tell me no, you haven't posted a single thing about Ace since foilist was killed.

As for what you have to say on my post, durrhurr, trollololol. All I'm saying is that no one sticks out like a sore thumb to me as scum, so I need to reread. Fair?

[Valern]

Struck a nerve, hmm?

so I need to reread. Fair?

Fair enough, but that's not what you said. What you said parsed as "you're all scummy/I don't care who gets lynched", not "I need to re-read".