Mafia Invictus ~ Game Over!

[Benmage]

I don't like post 515... trying to have dgb say dh is his scummiest for not posting is bleh.

That said... dgbs vote is obvious shit.

[Benmage]

Ohhhh dgb was on baby

Anywhose I still think the DH attempt is misplaced for today.

Silavor....... silavor..... silavor???

Zzz lynch the lurking scum

[The Illuminati]

Alright, I guess everyone needs to know about how I live my life.

I either wake up around 8, shower, dress, then go to work at Perkins at 9. I'm there till either 8 or 10 at night. I come back, shower, post 3 or 4 times and sleep.

Other days, I wake up, have a tutor session for ASL that lasts 2 hours, eat a late lunch, post 4 or 5 times and then work 5 till 11 or 12. I come home, shower, and sleep.

Days like today, for example, I wake up at 8, shower, dress, drive 30 mins to a summer camp, stand at a pool until 12:30, come home, eat lunch, run errands, leave to the camp again until 6, come back and have a tutor sesh from 8 until 10. Shower, eat, post a few times and then sleep. This has been everyday for the past 2 or so weeks.

So no, its not because my hydra was waiting to be activated; not mostly, anyway. It discouraged me from reading a bit, but it was because Vi threatened me with replacement, so I got my ass into gear. I'm still on my phone. I just didn't have time to read through 15+ pages. What else do you want to know? How about my blood type? Sex life? Mother's maiden name?

-DH

[Duplicity]

Tarh, can you explain how you maintain suspicion over Quilford despite the fact that Khan stated he would invicdus Quilford and got shot? Furthermore can you attempt to elaborate on your reads outside of Quilford and MoI because your suspicions right now reads as highly targetted to the players posting a signifcant amount less. There also should be no reason to be against the voting system because even if there is a doctor or something similar which prevents mafia being inviducsed we know that the lack of invidcuse on the person with the leading votes leads them to be mafia.

Dance, I have a tendancy to use larger words than needed in my posts and it becomes much more incoherent in the early hours of the morning so my apologies but in future I'll try to be much more concise. If I may ask what means of communication are you two attempting to use to discuss read differences because your disagreement in thread reads strongly as if you haven't stopped to have a conversation on MSN or in QT.

I can understand the tone difference being decribed in MoI's play however I don't believe that it's a scum-tell. He doesn't have a tone that's consistent as town or mafia but rather his tone is defined by the occurances of the game, a key example of this would be in Jungle Republic where he started of being highly logical and then jumped into a debate with anyone that questioned him or his reads. Right now this is reading as highly similar to that, the meta case by Fate is incredibly nitpicky, selective and weak and I would much prefer a Sila or Gut lynch right now.

The Illumni's lack of activity is a complete null-tell considering DH's history as town, I've seen him lurk throughout multiple games however I want him to explain when and which parts of the thread he has read through.

Right now I still maintain strong town reads on Gamma (Quilford), Fate, DBG, Dance, Benmage and to a degree Vit as well. Not seeing the town read that Shift got from Bans reactions however I'll deal with that when I have a discussion with him later. I'm still highly confident that majority of the scum are within Sila, Baby, Zach and Gut however at the moment I'm relatively more confident in it being Sila and Gut. Silavors lack of any form of content or effort into this game in comparison to all of his town games is massive furthermore it reads as if he's attempting to lurk through the day in hope that the MoI lynch goes through rather than his. Off to bed I go, please don't quick lynch today I want to at least have a discussion with Shift and post all of our shared thoughts before the day ends.

Confirm Vote: Silavor
Uninvictus, Invictus: Gut

Invictus Count

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Baby Spice (6): Fate, danceHello, Zachrulez, Benmage, silavor, DGB

Gut (3): VitaminR, ZachRulez, Duplicity
Silavor (3): Gut, Ban, Gamma
Dancehello (2): Baby Spice, Nautilius
VitaminR (1): Ban

[Duplicity]

DH, anything related to your personal and sexual relationship with Scumhunter would be appreciated as well.

[The Illuminati]

Scumhunter's a heartbreaker and I'm holding his baby. He owes child support.

On the agenda:

-Assess DGB
-Make sense of the silvalor, MoI and Spyre wagons
-Explain what I read and understand

This will come after my next shift. I can't do all of this on my droid in 30 mins.

-DH

[The Illuminati]

Thanks for the invictus count as well.

[DrippingGoofball]

Did you think DH was strategically not posting?

I do.

How are you so confident with silavor????? And I'm not checking now.. but have you always seen him town?

I said he was town around the time he hammered, maybe in D1 twilight. Scum is more careful, this was an obv lulz wagon, no scum in their right mind would hammer - even with the Fate-sheeping excuse. It's not a super-strong town read though - mostly it's tainted by the Lurkville Express.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Mod – I’ll be V/LA from today at 4pm EST til Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.

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I was to make a comprehensive post re: Sil’s scummy play but Gamma beat me to a sizeable chunk of it in 490.

Illuminati’s explanation for his ‘lack of posting’ strikes me as overwrought and inconsistent with things I have seen in [REDACTED].

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^scum

So Zachrulez is scum. I’d ask you why but you are scum so whatever answer you give me will be crap.

Thanks for helping me solidify my Zach as Town read.

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I said he was town around the time he hammered, maybe in D1 twilight. Scum is more careful, this was an obv lulz wagon, no scum in their right mind would hammer - even with the Fate-sheeping excuse. It's not a super-strong town read though - mostly it's tainted by the Lurkville Express.

See here I disagree with you DGB. Look at American Gods Mafia (you know, the game that Fate selectively pulled quotes out of context from).

I quickhammered before a claim Day 2 on Apoc despite commenting that he wasn’t scum earlier in Day 1 and Day 2. I did so pretending that I was just following the wagon that Fate was pushing hard to get a read on Fate. Day 3 I successfully argued my way out of the noose even though my reasoning for the vote as total crap.

Also look at Secret Invasion Mafia. SnakePlissken’s slot ‘quickhammered’ two days in a Row with his double-vote and people still gave him the “Scum would not do that” benefit of the doubt.

Scum, especially newb scum, who sees a chance to hammer a strong Town player like Spyrex when he has an ‘out’ in ‘Fate told me to’ as an excuse certainly might take that chance.

Especially in the environment where “The hammer was too scummy for scum” is alive and well like it is here on MS.

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The last time I saw this exact arguement, it was also based on a rapid lols lynch, was made by scum, and there was no scum off of that particular wagon.

Link to this please. I’d like to see the what sort of game and when in the game it happened.

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META RESEARCH

LOLNOTHX

Ok I see. So your half-assed Meta research is ‘compelling’ but you aren’t going to look at any Meta provided by others. Gotcha.

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*shrug* I pointed out that what Fate said was similar to what I had said previously. Feels like you're looking for a reason to vote me.

You think it feels like Benmage is looking at your play to find reasons you are scummy? Isn’t that what Mafia is all about?

His point here is a very strong one – Fate-Town is very susceptible to buddying / cronyism. So you sidling up beside him with ‘similar’ reads is quite possibly scum doing just that.

[DrippingGoofball]

Blah blah

scumz do sheep quick hammer lulz wagguns

blah blah blah

Well I don't remember seeing that myself, from my own experience. Mmmmmmm. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Gut]

^scum

So Zachrulez is scum. I’d ask you why but you are scum so whatever answer you give me will be crap.

Thanks for helping me solidify my Zach as Town read.

It really shouldn't be that hard to figure out what my answer would be - hint: it'd consist of one word.

P.S. I totally bus as scum.

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Gut

That was as good as a scum claim to me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well I don't remember seeing that myself, from my own experience. Mmmmmmm. Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know if I should be insulted by your particular choice in condensed paraphrasing there ....

Is it absolutely 100% certain a scum hammer. Of course not. But add in his other play, the meta evidence Gamma and others have provided, and his stategic lurking as my wagon 'exploded' and it isn't a "LULZTOWNCRED" hammer.

[Zachrulez]

Silavor seems to have flaked for what it's worth. (I'm in another ongoing game with him and he hasn't posted anywhere since posting here on Wednesday.)

So I'm not sure I buy strategic lurking as an argument. Everything else raised on him is valid though.

[Fate]

Meta reseafrch when it is my OWN is valid because it refers to a game where I was with that player so I can compare how he interacts with me.

Other meta research on their own is worth a pile of bricks and usually boils down to "lol he lurks as scum but not town see looookie" or some bullshit.

Lol@Zachs vote on Gut.

[Zachrulez]

His response to Magna amounted to challenging his town read by saying he buses as scum. I can't think of any reason why a post like that would come from town.

[Fate]

So scum challenged someone who had a TOWN read on them, in order to erode said townread.

Like I said zach, lol u

[MagnaofIllusion]

So scum challenged someone who had a TOWN read on them, in order to erode said townread.

Like I said zach, lol u

No you aren't getting it.

Scum Gut challenged my Town read on Zach to erode that read via "I totally bus as scum".

[Benmage]

Silavor seems to have flaked for what it's worth. (I'm in another ongoing game with him and he hasn't posted anywhere since posting here on Wednesday.)

So I'm not sure I buy strategic lurking as an argument. Everything else raised on him is valid though.

Ooooph, you idiot benmage! That's what I get for playing on a phone.

[Fate]

Ah I see. ill move Gut back to null then

[Gut]

So scum challenged someone who had a TOWN read on them, in order to erode said townread.

Like I said zach, lol u

No you aren't getting it.

Scum Gut challenged my Town read on Zach to erode that read via "I totally bus as scum".

That's how you erode town reads!

[MagnaofIllusion]

That's how you erode town reads!

It's like you are playing specifically in a scummy manner because "LULZ NO SCUMMZORS ACT SO SCUMMY".

Oh wait ... that's exactly what you are doing. Feel free to keep it up.

You need a bullet or rope stat.

[Gammagooey]

So I have some form of a town read on everyone on the sila wagon except Magna (even Baby Spice, although it's a very weak read). You guys should get in on this.
Zach why are you still voting MoI btw, yeah he didn't claim everything but he basically said everything that we wanted from a claim anyway.

[Gammagooey]

Oh wait I'm retarded disregard etc.

[VitaminR]

*shrug* I pointed out that what Fate said was similar to what I had said previously. Feels like you're looking for a reason to vote me.

You think it feels like Benmage is looking at your play to find reasons you are scummy? Isn’t that what Mafia is all about?

It's odd to me that you're twisting my words in such an obvious fashion. First of all, it was Ban and, clearly, what I meant was that I got the feeling he wanted to vote me and just needed to make up a reason for it (either because his vote is insincere or because he has some sort of gut read he wants to justify). One comment that what Fate said was similar to what I said previously (which was just true, and unless I can read minds, hardly a planned thing) is by no means "cronyism." It was hardly significant enough to change anyone's mind about anyone.